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(03-13-2023 11:04 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:55 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:34 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:24 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Nolley was clearly our best player this year sometimes Idk what people are even watching man

Of coarse he was, no disputing that, but UC has gone nowhere with this current crop of players and as long as Woods, Henseley, Davenport and Nolley are taking up a huge amount of minutes they will stymie the growth and maturity of the incoming freshman plus Reed and Skillings....Time to look to the future with better players.....

I am so confused by the mentality of "drop a first team all conference player who averaged 17-5-4 and shot 46-42-78 for a freshman who looked completely out of place and another who couldn't find the court when we didn't have a backup big to play". How does that make sense in any world?

A team next year with Nolley is FAR better than a team without him...there is no sane argument against that.

Nolley is inserted into this premise only, let me repeat, only because he will not be coming back, he will leave on his own.....

You're saying that the best player actually playing stymied the growth of two guys who were markedly worse...that's what I'm trying to reconcile here.

So...

How many/which wins does everyone think would have gotten us in the field?

I think they needed three wins among these to have a chance:
Houston (3x)
Memphis (2)
Xavier
Arizona

If they got those wins and got rid of either the ECU/NKU loss they'd have definitely been in.

If they only got 2 of those, but beat ECU/NKU/Tulane, They'd have gotten in.

So they were probably about 4 wins short...but really getting the wins over tournament caliber teams was the thing they were missing.

(03-13-2023 11:28 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So...

How many/which wins does everyone think would have gotten us in the field?

ECU, NKU, Tulane and at least two from Xavier, Memphis, and Houston.

(03-13-2023 10:55 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:34 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:24 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Nolley was clearly our best player this year sometimes Idk what people are even watching man

Of coarse he was, no disputing that, but UC has gone nowhere with this current crop of players and as long as Woods, Henseley, Davenport and Nolley are taking up a huge amount of minutes they will stymie the growth and maturity of the incoming freshman plus Reed and Skillings....Time to look to the future with better players.....

I am so confused by the mentality of "drop a first team all conference player who averaged 17-5-4 and shot 46-42-78 for a freshman who looked completely out of place and another who couldn't find the court when we didn't have a backup big to play". How does that make sense in any world?

A team next year with Nolley is FAR better than a team without him...there is no sane argument against that.

Correct. Reed was totally not ready this year and Skilling has really only come on in the past few weeks. They'll be better next year, but they are still an additional year from being good enough to put up serious production on most nights (especially Reed).

Aside from Dave, Nolley is the only guy (outside of the NKU and OSU games) who we've been able to rely on pointing up some points every night. Let's do a run down shall we in reverse order.... 14 pts, 22, 24, 13, 20, 18, 19, 13, 26, 17, 13, 24, 18, 21, 16, 20, 12, 12, 15, 23.... the young guys aren't putting up those type of numbers next year, and that includes the newcomers Rayvon, Jizzle and the JUCO.

(03-13-2023 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:55 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:34 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:24 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Nolley was clearly our best player this year sometimes Idk what people are even watching man

Of coarse he was, no disputing that, but UC has gone nowhere with this current crop of players and as long as Woods, Henseley, Davenport and Nolley are taking up a huge amount of minutes they will stymie the growth and maturity of the incoming freshman plus Reed and Skillings....Time to look to the future with better players.....

I am so confused by the mentality of "drop a first team all conference player who averaged 17-5-4 and shot 46-42-78 for a freshman who looked completely out of place and another who couldn't find the court when we didn't have a backup big to play". How does that make sense in any world?

A team next year with Nolley is FAR better than a team without him...there is no sane argument against that.

Correct. Reed was totally not ready this year and Skilling has really only come on in the past few weeks. They'll be better next year, but they are still an additional year from being good enough to put up serious production on most nights (especially Reed).

Aside from Dave, Nolley is the only guy (outside of the NKU and OSU games) who we've been able to rely on pointing up some points every night. Let's do a run down shall we in reverse order.... 14 pts, 22, 24, 13, 20, 18, 19, 13, 26, 17, 13, 24, 18, 21, 16, 20, 12, 12, 15, 23.... the young guys aren't putting up those type of numbers next year, and that includes the newcomers Rayvon, Jizzle and the JUCO.

I also don't buy the premise that it's better for the future to play young guys. Freshmen don't necessarily get better by putting them in situations they aren't ready for. And players also transfer because the team stinks, it's not only a playing time thing. Plus it's hard to build a program when you're losing constantly.

There are few shortcuts, unfortunately.

(03-13-2023 12:26 PM)levydl Wrote:  I also don't buy the premise that it's better for the future to play young guys. Freshmen don't necessarily get better by putting them in situations they aren't ready for. And players also transfer because the team stinks, it's not only a playing time thing. Plus it's hard to build a program when you're losing constantly.

There are few shortcuts, unfortunately.

Absolutely agree.

I think people get frustrated by Nolley because it is obvious he could be so much better and that he disappears for stretches of games. But when he is on, he is quite the beneficial piece for the team puzzle.