I must say it would be nice to finally be in one of these leagues where losing 6 or 7 conference games is no big deal, and will get you anywhere from a 4-7 tournament seed. Where losing a couple of conference games per week has you climbing the rankings. Where finishing unranked gets you a 6 seed. Where a single conference loss doesn’t bring out the canned tuna folks. But I digress…

(03-13-2023 02:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:27 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm still against it due to the exit fees vs new revenue. And by the time the exit fees are likely justifiable a different and better opportunity might be available.

it certainly seems apparent, barring an undefeated season, we’ll be maxxing out with 8/9 seeding in the NCAA tournament for the foreseeable future.
If we are again passed over by the Big 12, we must explore the Big East option. Memphis has a proud basketball program but we cannot completely sacrifice it for a football pipe dream.

Maybe I missed something but if Houston can get a #1 seed in the same conference we play in, why would We stuck with a 8/9 seed

(03-13-2023 06:29 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 02:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:27 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm still against it due to the exit fees vs new revenue. And by the time the exit fees are likely justifiable a different and better opportunity might be available.

it certainly seems apparent, barring an undefeated season, we’ll be maxxing out with 8/9 seeding in the NCAA tournament for the foreseeable future.
If we are again passed over by the Big 12, we must explore the Big East option. Memphis has a proud basketball program but we cannot completely sacrifice it for a football pipe dream.

Maybe I missed something but if Houston can get a #1 seed in the same conference we play in, why would We stuck with a 8/9 seed

I could be wrong--but maybe its because Houston played MEMPHIS/ucf/cincinnati-----MEMPHIS won't get to play them

(03-13-2023 05:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't think anyone is suggesting Memphis playing all sports in the SBC. I'm not for sure. And I don't think a reorganized all-sports league would ever get off the ground - too many schools to satisfy/coordinate with too many, varied obligations (although with complete freedom it would be nice). Memphis BB would be great, however, with a lot more competitive teams playing in Memphis a part of the BE. If that choice were made, it would only work for FB playing in the SBC - we are a southern FB school. Point is App St & CC are likely going to be good enough to compete for the CFP slot because they schedule as good or better than us OOC & the SBC can be won undefeated. That makes the SBC a real threat for the CFP, along with the MWC if they have a champ with a 0/1 loss season. So I don't really see a distinction playing in the AAC for all sports if we could play oly/BB in the BE & FB in the SBC.

The Sun Belt wants all-sports programs. Hypothetically, the Belt would take Notre Dame for football only. But it would not take Memphis for football only.

(03-13-2023 08:21 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 06:29 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 02:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:27 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm still against it due to the exit fees vs new revenue. And by the time the exit fees are likely justifiable a different and better opportunity might be available.

it certainly seems apparent, barring an undefeated season, we’ll be maxxing out with 8/9 seeding in the NCAA tournament for the foreseeable future.
If we are again passed over by the Big 12, we must explore the Big East option. Memphis has a proud basketball program but we cannot completely sacrifice it for a football pipe dream.

Maybe I missed something but if Houston can get a #1 seed in the same conference we play in, why would We stuck with a 8/9 seed

I could be wrong--but maybe its because Houston played MEMPHIS/ucf/cincinnati-----MEMPHIS won't get to play them

Seems like you are wrong bc we played the same teams and was a 8 seed.

(03-13-2023 08:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't think anyone is suggesting Memphis playing all sports in the SBC. I'm not for sure. And I don't think a reorganized all-sports league would ever get off the ground - too many schools to satisfy/coordinate with too many, varied obligations (although with complete freedom it would be nice). Memphis BB would be great, however, with a lot more competitive teams playing in Memphis a part of the BE. If that choice were made, it would only work for FB playing in the SBC - we are a southern FB school. Point is App St & CC are likely going to be good enough to compete for the CFP slot because they schedule as good or better than us OOC & the SBC can be won undefeated. That makes the SBC a real threat for the CFP, along with the MWC if they have a champ with a 0/1 loss season. So I don't really see a distinction playing in the AAC for all sports if we could play oly/BB in the BE & FB in the SBC.

The Sun Belt wants all-sports programs. Hypothetically, the Belt would take Notre Dame for football only. But it would not take Memphis for football only.

We don't know that & we're just discussing, speculating, right?

(03-13-2023 08:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't think anyone is suggesting Memphis playing all sports in the SBC. I'm not for sure. And I don't think a reorganized all-sports league would ever get off the ground - too many schools to satisfy/coordinate with too many, varied obligations (although with complete freedom it would be nice). Memphis BB would be great, however, with a lot more competitive teams playing in Memphis a part of the BE. If that choice were made, it would only work for FB playing in the SBC - we are a southern FB school. Point is App St & CC are likely going to be good enough to compete for the CFP slot because they schedule as good or better than us OOC & the SBC can be won undefeated. That makes the SBC a real threat for the CFP, along with the MWC if they have a champ with a 0/1 loss season. So I don't really see a distinction playing in the AAC for all sports if we could play oly/BB in the BE & FB in the SBC.

The Sun Belt wants all-sports programs. Hypothetically, the Belt would take Notre Dame for football only. But it would not take Memphis for football only.

We don't know that & we're just discussing, speculating, right?

Dream bigger than the SBC if you are just speculating

UCF and Cincy were ranked lower than 3 teams coming in next year.

My understanding is that the NCAA does not allow football only leagues.

(03-13-2023 10:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  My understanding is that the NCAA does not allow football only leagues.

It’s time to get ESPN behind it and seek an appeal. A very viable league could be put together if it can be pulled off.

(03-13-2023 10:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  My understanding is that the NCAA does not allow football only leagues.

Mine too, but then how does Navy do it?

(03-13-2023 11:53 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  My understanding is that the NCAA does not allow football only leagues.

Mine too, but then how does Navy do it?

Patriot league is D1-AA for football.

(03-13-2023 10:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  My understanding is that the NCAA does not allow football only leagues.

Yeah. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think other posts I've seen say it's because of the conference requirements. When looking at the requirements for an FBS conference it has to have a minimum of eight schools. Each school has to sponsor at least 16 varsity sports with a minimum of six men's sports and eight women's sports. Yeah that's 14, but the minimum still says 16. The requirements go deeper than that, but those are the basics.

So like with geo bringing up Navy, the AAC has the minimum of eight teams to cover the conference requirement and Navy sponsors over 16 varsity teams. That's why they are ok to join the AAC as a football-only school. If for example the AAC were being built from the ground up and Navy was joining with seven other schools, then Navy would have to bring all of their sports to this new AAC to meet the eight minimum requirement.

(03-13-2023 08:59 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't think anyone is suggesting Memphis playing all sports in the SBC. I'm not for sure. And I don't think a reorganized all-sports league would ever get off the ground - too many schools to satisfy/coordinate with too many, varied obligations (although with complete freedom it would be nice). Memphis BB would be great, however, with a lot more competitive teams playing in Memphis a part of the BE. If that choice were made, it would only work for FB playing in the SBC - we are a southern FB school. Point is App St & CC are likely going to be good enough to compete for the CFP slot because they schedule as good or better than us OOC & the SBC can be won undefeated. That makes the SBC a real threat for the CFP, along with the MWC if they have a champ with a 0/1 loss season. So I don't really see a distinction playing in the AAC for all sports if we could play oly/BB in the BE & FB in the SBC.

The Sun Belt wants all-sports programs. Hypothetically, the Belt would take Notre Dame for football only. But it would not take Memphis for football only.

We don't know that & we're just discussing, speculating, right?

Dream bigger than the SBC if you are just speculating

I dream of an SEC invite but we're discussing in the realm of ways to increase revenues & improve rewards for our BB program while still giving the FB program a path to the CFP.

IF - the PAC takes SDSU and SMU and potentially along with Tulane and one other from either the AAC or the MWC - then the best of what's left should join together to save themselves and remain somewhat relevant. The easiest option and smoothest pathway is for some AAC teams to join the MWC as an East wing. It's probably as close as we can get to a potentially Best of the Rest group that is actually viable.

In the end it will be all about the money and some initial sacrifice might need to be made. However, if we keep doing what we've been doing then the old you'll keep getting what you've been getting rule certainly comes into play. And last I checked - despite good on the field results, a passionate fan base, a great central location, stable resources, and a steadily improving academic profile - we keep getting shafted.

Sure there are obstacles - what endeavor doesn't have obstacles and problems that need to be solved? But doing nothing and waiting for others to see and confirm your value isn't working so I simply ask myself this: What would the great Teddy Roosevelt do - or something like that.

All the Best,

(03-14-2023 09:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:59 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't think anyone is suggesting Memphis playing all sports in the SBC. I'm not for sure. And I don't think a reorganized all-sports league would ever get off the ground - too many schools to satisfy/coordinate with too many, varied obligations (although with complete freedom it would be nice). Memphis BB would be great, however, with a lot more competitive teams playing in Memphis a part of the BE. If that choice were made, it would only work for FB playing in the SBC - we are a southern FB school. Point is App St & CC are likely going to be good enough to compete for the CFP slot because they schedule as good or better than us OOC & the SBC can be won undefeated. That makes the SBC a real threat for the CFP, along with the MWC if they have a champ with a 0/1 loss season. So I don't really see a distinction playing in the AAC for all sports if we could play oly/BB in the BE & FB in the SBC.

The Sun Belt wants all-sports programs. Hypothetically, the Belt would take Notre Dame for football only. But it would not take Memphis for football only.

We don't know that & we're just discussing, speculating, right?

Dream bigger than the SBC if you are just speculating

I dream of an SEC invite but we're discussing in the realm of ways to increase revenues & improve rewards for our BB program while still giving the FB program a path to the CFP.

...as you know--we had our shot in the 70'--but we came up short on the votes