So if it does become P2 or Power Two, do the remaining three conferences take on the label of “Mid Major” or M&M?

And then should we adjust the P6 motto to M&M?

I’m obviously heaping a little of sarcasm on this.

(03-14-2023 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 04:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 03:56 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 07:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Aresco statement IMO will not.be persuasive to an outside audience. He talks about how the P5/G5 language should be abandoned - despite, as the McMurphy tweet posted by "Armored Knight" noted, previously he was all about talking about "P" as long as it was as in "P6", with the AAC included.



So ... not much to reckon with here, IMO.

.

IMO "power" is about our overall place in the college athletics firmament. To me, we are farther away from that than ever, even moreso than 10 years ago, when the league was in its infancy and signing the peanuts $2m deal. There is now IMO a P2 configuration, followed by an M3 of conferences that are then far above the G5. IIRC, the worst-paid M3 is going to make around 3x or 4x more than the best G5, the AAC.

It isn't even that close, The B12 will make 4.5 times what the top AAC schools do,
The ACC is over 5x the amount, Pac is yet to be determined. Outside of AAC legacy schools that get 7+ million, the G5 isn't close at all. The middle 3 get 10 to 15x what most G5 schools get.

Excellent point and the hypocrisy of the Power term identified. It's a revenue term. Autonomy is separate and because of the revenue disparity those five are no longer autonomous serving different masters. I know some want to hold onto the past instead of adapting, but the sooner the better. The high revenue 2 will be making $30 to $40 million more than the next lower conference as you pointed out above in your comparative of a new revenue term M3 and the AAC. That applies to the Big 12 as well. The Big 12 can't aggregate enough teams and eyeballs averaging revenue to financially compete with the high revenue 2 ever. In time the high revenue two will take who the want and they don't care who's the victim in their final moves. They have won the college football power struggle evolution's first round and have for some time.

One may think, what can we do? It's time or there will become a time for the tables to be turned to fight against them. Not being a part of their advantageous system. It can be done with a cohesive plan after all there are a lot more of us than there is of them. The public will like the new product, it's marketable, and a lot of infrastructure is in place. The Big 10 is the most boring football in America. Just wait and see what happens when all their programs can't schedule wins!!

That's the only thing they fear that keeps lower revenue conferences strung along. Not being able to pad their schedule with wins otherwise they have no use for you. I say it's time to compete against them. I may not see it in my lifetime, but the system will change!

At one point in late 2021 and early 2022 there were some rumors that the P6 and G5 tags would go away when the new CFP contract is renegotiated in 2026.

(03-11-2023 09:34 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Cincy, UCF, Houston fans for years: “Power 5 label is dumb”
Cincy, UCF, Houston now: “P5 label isn’t a big deal guys”

It wasn't dumb...it was something they WANTED...so they went out, invested heavily and then performed very well on the field or court and got the invite.

(03-13-2023 01:48 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:51 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 09:34 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Cincy, UCF, Houston fans for years: “Power 5 label is dumb”
Cincy, UCF, Houston now: “P5 label isn’t a big deal guys”

To be fair, other than money---the real difference in P5 and G5 has always been access to the playoff. Though Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, and Oregon State were in a power conference---they had little more realistic chance of winning a national championship in football than anyone in the AAC. The difference was that if any of those mentioned P5 members ever actually won their conference----they had a real chance of making the playoff---where as G5 champs really didnt have much chance at all of getting into the current playoff regardless of what they did all season (Cinci being the lone exception). That all changes with the coming 12 team playoff. There will soon be a legitimate realistic path every year to the playoff from the G5---and the least obstructed G5 path to playoff will run out of the AAC.

So while being in the P5 certainly still holds advantages, perks, and is preferred---the biggest negative about life in the G5 has been removed. For me, the improved schedule is the biggest advantage I see in our move. We've had (at best) one or two home games vs P5's each year (we had 2 home P5 games in 2015, but that very rare---its usually one or even none). In 2024 we will have 8 conference games---4 of which will be at home---and every one of those would have been THE "marquee" game of the season on our typical schedule in the recent past. Thats kind of an exciting change.

That's awesome and good luck. We've shared many good games in our history and I liked the matchups.

The term power gets me or P5. It's not a NCAA classification so I'm not sure what it means. Possibly a term for revenue? I know some will say it's for autonomy, but that door was kicked in by the higher revenue two new deals and the breaking of the alliance of the Big 10. I'm sure they want to keep the current system in place for the wins while making a lot more money than everyone else having all the advantage.

The raise is nice and congratulations, but one could argue the path to the playoff got more difficult with the move to a more difficult league.

Little ole East Carolina has been beating more advantaged P5's for years. That won't change.

this is incorrect

how is it that this issue gets discussed hundreds f times yet people still do not have a clue about it or how it came to be or what it means

P5 conferences get two votes per conference on all NCAA business affairs, rules, and regulations while G5 conferences get one

that is absolutely an NCAA classification when it comes to the most important aspects of the NCAA

in addition the other aspects of it are that the P5 conferences get 80% of the football playoff revenues (about $74 million per conference per year) while the G5 split 20% (about $95 million split between the 5)

lastly the P5 conferences all have guaranteed NY6 bowl slots.....Big 12 and sEC SEC SEC Sugar Bowl......Big 10 and PAC 12 Rose Bowl......ACC and the highest ranked team from either the Big 10 or SEC SEC SEC after their playoff team(s) and their Rose and Sugar Bowl teams

the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 get $50 million per conference two out of every three years for those bowls and the ACC gets $26.5 million as does whichever conference (SEC SEC SEC or Big 10) sends a team to the Orange Bowl

the third year when they do not get paid are the years when those bowls are playoff bowl sites

so two of those three aspects of what makes a P5 conference will be very hard (if ever) for a G5 conference to overcome because I doubt the P5 will be voting another conference to have 2 votes on NCAA business (nor will any G5 conference unless it is their own).....and with the football playoffs the reason those P5 conferences get 80% of the revenue is because the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 owned the major bowls (Cotton, Rose, and Sugar) that had to agree to allow their teams out of their agreements to be in those bowls in order for them to be in the playoffs

without those agreements those conferences would have continued to do things the old way, make a lot of money off of those bowl games, and the media and "polls" would have decided the football MNC

the ACC did not own the Orange Bowl, but they had strong ties to it so they got the lesser deal

now a G5 conference (or two) could conceivably get a bowl game that paid them $50 million per conference per year for two out of every three years and that played on NY day, but that seems unlikely to happen and that would still only be one of the three aspects of a P5 conference vs a G5 conference

Correct.

G5 schools "voted" to give the P5 schools DOUBLE the voting power, aka "Autonomy 5", which the SEC Commish turned into a PR spin of "Power 5"...as the G5 schools were "afraid" that the P5 Football Conferences would split away from the NCAA (I still think that was an empty threat but G5 schools/conferences fell for it).

(03-20-2023 07:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:48 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:51 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 09:34 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Cincy, UCF, Houston fans for years: “Power 5 label is dumb”
Cincy, UCF, Houston now: “P5 label isn’t a big deal guys”

To be fair, other than money---the real difference in P5 and G5 has always been access to the playoff. Though Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, and Oregon State were in a power conference---they had little more realistic chance of winning a national championship in football than anyone in the AAC. The difference was that if any of those mentioned P5 members ever actually won their conference----they had a real chance of making the playoff---where as G5 champs really didnt have much chance at all of getting into the current playoff regardless of what they did all season (Cinci being the lone exception). That all changes with the coming 12 team playoff. There will soon be a legitimate realistic path every year to the playoff from the G5---and the least obstructed G5 path to playoff will run out of the AAC.

So while being in the P5 certainly still holds advantages, perks, and is preferred---the biggest negative about life in the G5 has been removed. For me, the improved schedule is the biggest advantage I see in our move. We've had (at best) one or two home games vs P5's each year (we had 2 home P5 games in 2015, but that very rare---its usually one or even none). In 2024 we will have 8 conference games---4 of which will be at home---and every one of those would have been THE "marquee" game of the season on our typical schedule in the recent past. Thats kind of an exciting change.

That's awesome and good luck. We've shared many good games in our history and I liked the matchups.

The term power gets me or P5. It's not a NCAA classification so I'm not sure what it means. Possibly a term for revenue? I know some will say it's for autonomy, but that door was kicked in by the higher revenue two new deals and the breaking of the alliance of the Big 10. I'm sure they want to keep the current system in place for the wins while making a lot more money than everyone else having all the advantage.

The raise is nice and congratulations, but one could argue the path to the playoff got more difficult with the move to a more difficult league.

Little ole East Carolina has been beating more advantaged P5's for years. That won't change.

this is incorrect

how is it that this issue gets discussed hundreds f times yet people still do not have a clue about it or how it came to be or what it means

P5 conferences get two votes per conference on all NCAA business affairs, rules, and regulations while G5 conferences get one

that is absolutely an NCAA classification when it comes to the most important aspects of the NCAA

in addition the other aspects of it are that the P5 conferences get 80% of the football playoff revenues (about $74 million per conference per year) while the G5 split 20% (about $95 million split between the 5)

lastly the P5 conferences all have guaranteed NY6 bowl slots.....Big 12 and sEC SEC SEC Sugar Bowl......Big 10 and PAC 12 Rose Bowl......ACC and the highest ranked team from either the Big 10 or SEC SEC SEC after their playoff team(s) and their Rose and Sugar Bowl teams

the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 get $50 million per conference two out of every three years for those bowls and the ACC gets $26.5 million as does whichever conference (SEC SEC SEC or Big 10) sends a team to the Orange Bowl

the third year when they do not get paid are the years when those bowls are playoff bowl sites

so two of those three aspects of what makes a P5 conference will be very hard (if ever) for a G5 conference to overcome because I doubt the P5 will be voting another conference to have 2 votes on NCAA business (nor will any G5 conference unless it is their own).....and with the football playoffs the reason those P5 conferences get 80% of the revenue is because the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 owned the major bowls (Cotton, Rose, and Sugar) that had to agree to allow their teams out of their agreements to be in those bowls in order for them to be in the playoffs

without those agreements those conferences would have continued to do things the old way, make a lot of money off of those bowl games, and the media and "polls" would have decided the football MNC

the ACC did not own the Orange Bowl, but they had strong ties to it so they got the lesser deal

now a G5 conference (or two) could conceivably get a bowl game that paid them $50 million per conference per year for two out of every three years and that played on NY day, but that seems unlikely to happen and that would still only be one of the three aspects of a P5 conference vs a G5 conference

Correct.

G5 schools "voted" to give the P5 schools DOUBLE the voting power, aka "Autonomy 5", which the SEC Commish turned into a PR spin of "Power 5"...as the G5 schools were "afraid" that the P5 Football Conferences would split away from the NCAA (I still think that was an empty threat but G5 schools/conferences fell for it).

That (Autonomy 5) will change and go the way of "The Alliance."

Do you really think a conference making $30 to $40 Million more will let someone making less tell them what to do? Really? What's the voting structure? At some point they'll be a reckoning. How did the autonomy work when the ACC and "the Alliance" held things up. Autonomy is DOA!

UNC, FSU, Clemson, UW, OU, etc could be working behind there associates back as I type. USC, UCLA, UT and OU sure did. The media didn't know squat.

Whether it's P5, Autonomy 5, Revenue 5, Jackson 5, or whatever you want to call that group, but they no longer have much in common because of the money. They'll keep allowing the little brothers crumbs as long as they stay in line. They'll make the lion share of the money plus wins is all they require of the others. It's a great system for them!

(03-20-2023 04:53 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 07:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:48 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:51 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be fair, other than money---the real difference in P5 and G5 has always been access to the playoff. Though Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, and Oregon State were in a power conference---they had little more realistic chance of winning a national championship in football than anyone in the AAC. The difference was that if any of those mentioned P5 members ever actually won their conference----they had a real chance of making the playoff---where as G5 champs really didnt have much chance at all of getting into the current playoff regardless of what they did all season (Cinci being the lone exception). That all changes with the coming 12 team playoff. There will soon be a legitimate realistic path every year to the playoff from the G5---and the least obstructed G5 path to playoff will run out of the AAC.

So while being in the P5 certainly still holds advantages, perks, and is preferred---the biggest negative about life in the G5 has been removed. For me, the improved schedule is the biggest advantage I see in our move. We've had (at best) one or two home games vs P5's each year (we had 2 home P5 games in 2015, but that very rare---its usually one or even none). In 2024 we will have 8 conference games---4 of which will be at home---and every one of those would have been THE "marquee" game of the season on our typical schedule in the recent past. Thats kind of an exciting change.

That's awesome and good luck. We've shared many good games in our history and I liked the matchups.

The term power gets me or P5. It's not a NCAA classification so I'm not sure what it means. Possibly a term for revenue? I know some will say it's for autonomy, but that door was kicked in by the higher revenue two new deals and the breaking of the alliance of the Big 10. I'm sure they want to keep the current system in place for the wins while making a lot more money than everyone else having all the advantage.

The raise is nice and congratulations, but one could argue the path to the playoff got more difficult with the move to a more difficult league.

Little ole East Carolina has been beating more advantaged P5's for years. That won't change.

this is incorrect

how is it that this issue gets discussed hundreds f times yet people still do not have a clue about it or how it came to be or what it means

P5 conferences get two votes per conference on all NCAA business affairs, rules, and regulations while G5 conferences get one

that is absolutely an NCAA classification when it comes to the most important aspects of the NCAA

in addition the other aspects of it are that the P5 conferences get 80% of the football playoff revenues (about $74 million per conference per year) while the G5 split 20% (about $95 million split between the 5)

lastly the P5 conferences all have guaranteed NY6 bowl slots.....Big 12 and sEC SEC SEC Sugar Bowl......Big 10 and PAC 12 Rose Bowl......ACC and the highest ranked team from either the Big 10 or SEC SEC SEC after their playoff team(s) and their Rose and Sugar Bowl teams

the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 get $50 million per conference two out of every three years for those bowls and the ACC gets $26.5 million as does whichever conference (SEC SEC SEC or Big 10) sends a team to the Orange Bowl

the third year when they do not get paid are the years when those bowls are playoff bowl sites

so two of those three aspects of what makes a P5 conference will be very hard (if ever) for a G5 conference to overcome because I doubt the P5 will be voting another conference to have 2 votes on NCAA business (nor will any G5 conference unless it is their own).....and with the football playoffs the reason those P5 conferences get 80% of the revenue is because the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 owned the major bowls (Cotton, Rose, and Sugar) that had to agree to allow their teams out of their agreements to be in those bowls in order for them to be in the playoffs

without those agreements those conferences would have continued to do things the old way, make a lot of money off of those bowl games, and the media and "polls" would have decided the football MNC

the ACC did not own the Orange Bowl, but they had strong ties to it so they got the lesser deal

now a G5 conference (or two) could conceivably get a bowl game that paid them $50 million per conference per year for two out of every three years and that played on NY day, but that seems unlikely to happen and that would still only be one of the three aspects of a P5 conference vs a G5 conference

Correct.

G5 schools "voted" to give the P5 schools DOUBLE the voting power, aka "Autonomy 5", which the SEC Commish turned into a PR spin of "Power 5"...as the G5 schools were "afraid" that the P5 Football Conferences would split away from the NCAA (I still think that was an empty threat but G5 schools/conferences fell for it).

That (Autonomy 5) will change and go the way of "The Alliance."

Do you really think a conference making $30 to $40 Million more will let someone making less tell them what to do? Really? What's the voting structure? 3 conferences can out vote the Big 2? LOL, At some point there will be a reckoning. How did the autonomy work when the ACC and "the Alliance" held things up. Autonomy is DOA!

UNC, FSU, Clemson, UW, OU, etc could be working behind there associates back as I type. USC, UCLA, UT and OU sure did. The media didn't know squat.

Whether it's P5, Autonomy 5, Revenue 5, Jackson 5, or whatever you want to call that group, but they no longer have much in common because of the money. They'll keep allowing the little brothers crumbs as long as they stay in line. They'll make the lion share of the money plus wins is all they require of the others. It's a great system for them!

(03-20-2023 05:29 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 04:53 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 07:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:48 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 02:51 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  That's awesome and good luck. We've shared many good games in our history and I liked the matchups.

The term power gets me or P5. It's not a NCAA classification so I'm not sure what it means. Possibly a term for revenue? I know some will say it's for autonomy, but that door was kicked in by the higher revenue two new deals and the breaking of the alliance of the Big 10. I'm sure they want to keep the current system in place for the wins while making a lot more money than everyone else having all the advantage.

The raise is nice and congratulations, but one could argue the path to the playoff got more difficult with the move to a more difficult league.

Little ole East Carolina has been beating more advantaged P5's for years. That won't change.

this is incorrect

how is it that this issue gets discussed hundreds f times yet people still do not have a clue about it or how it came to be or what it means

P5 conferences get two votes per conference on all NCAA business affairs, rules, and regulations while G5 conferences get one

that is absolutely an NCAA classification when it comes to the most important aspects of the NCAA

in addition the other aspects of it are that the P5 conferences get 80% of the football playoff revenues (about $74 million per conference per year) while the G5 split 20% (about $95 million split between the 5)

lastly the P5 conferences all have guaranteed NY6 bowl slots.....Big 12 and sEC SEC SEC Sugar Bowl......Big 10 and PAC 12 Rose Bowl......ACC and the highest ranked team from either the Big 10 or SEC SEC SEC after their playoff team(s) and their Rose and Sugar Bowl teams

the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 get $50 million per conference two out of every three years for those bowls and the ACC gets $26.5 million as does whichever conference (SEC SEC SEC or Big 10) sends a team to the Orange Bowl

the third year when they do not get paid are the years when those bowls are playoff bowl sites

so two of those three aspects of what makes a P5 conference will be very hard (if ever) for a G5 conference to overcome because I doubt the P5 will be voting another conference to have 2 votes on NCAA business (nor will any G5 conference unless it is their own).....and with the football playoffs the reason those P5 conferences get 80% of the revenue is because the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 owned the major bowls (Cotton, Rose, and Sugar) that had to agree to allow their teams out of their agreements to be in those bowls in order for them to be in the playoffs

without those agreements those conferences would have continued to do things the old way, make a lot of money off of those bowl games, and the media and "polls" would have decided the football MNC

the ACC did not own the Orange Bowl, but they had strong ties to it so they got the lesser deal

now a G5 conference (or two) could conceivably get a bowl game that paid them $50 million per conference per year for two out of every three years and that played on NY day, but that seems unlikely to happen and that would still only be one of the three aspects of a P5 conference vs a G5 conference

Correct.

G5 schools "voted" to give the P5 schools DOUBLE the voting power, aka "Autonomy 5", which the SEC Commish turned into a PR spin of "Power 5"...as the G5 schools were "afraid" that the P5 Football Conferences would split away from the NCAA (I still think that was an empty threat but G5 schools/conferences fell for it).

That (Autonomy 5) will change and go the way of "The Alliance."

Do you really think a conference making $30 to $40 Million more will let someone making less tell them what to do? Really? What's the voting structure? 3 conferences can out vote the Big 2? LOL, At some point they'll be a reckoning. How did the autonomy work when the ACC and "the Alliance" held things up. Autonomy is DOA!

UNC, FSU, Clemson, UW, OU, etc could be working behind there associates back as I type. USC, UCLA, UT and OU sure did. The media didn't know squat.

Whether it's P5, Autonomy 5, Revenue 5, Jackson 5, or whatever you want to call that group, but they no longer have much in common because of the money. They'll keep allowing the little brothers crumbs as long as they stay in line. They'll make the lion share of the money plus wins is all they require of the others. It's a great system for them!

from Tomahawk Nation:

FSU athletic director Michael Alford is not tip-toeing around a soon to be untenable economic situation:

“We understand, especially at Florida State and a couple of other institutions, really understand the commitment of that gap that’s coming. It’s a freight train. That’s barreling down the tracks... I’m very involved and looking at solutions. Because I can’t sit here. And for five years, it’d be 30 million behind every year. It’s not a one-year thing. And that makes a big difference, especially when you start compounding that year after year after year.”

Alford wouldn’t say if he’s been contacted by other conferences, but he did say, without the ACC making changes, that gap will put a large burden on the fundraising arms of FSU. Alford believes falling behind in revenue could have Florida State behind the eight ball in competing for coaches, upgrading facilities and essentially everything else the “Power 2” conference would have to offer. Something else he thinks will force that gap to show up is the university’s reputation and dedication to competing in every sport.

“I need to protect Florida State University and make sure that we’re doing everything we can to make sure that we’re able to compete nationally," Alford said. "And I’m not talking just football."

Tick, tick, tick ...

It's coming and it's time for the non P2 to get smart putting their own plans together. The time for choosing is coming whether you want to or not. That separation began at the UT/OU deal and that reality really set in with the Big Ten back dooring "The Alliance" and autonomy with it! Done!

(04-01-2023 08:15 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 05:29 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 04:53 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 07:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 01:48 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is incorrect

how is it that this issue gets discussed hundreds f times yet people still do not have a clue about it or how it came to be or what it means

P5 conferences get two votes per conference on all NCAA business affairs, rules, and regulations while G5 conferences get one

that is absolutely an NCAA classification when it comes to the most important aspects of the NCAA

in addition the other aspects of it are that the P5 conferences get 80% of the football playoff revenues (about $74 million per conference per year) while the G5 split 20% (about $95 million split between the 5)

lastly the P5 conferences all have guaranteed NY6 bowl slots.....Big 12 and sEC SEC SEC Sugar Bowl......Big 10 and PAC 12 Rose Bowl......ACC and the highest ranked team from either the Big 10 or SEC SEC SEC after their playoff team(s) and their Rose and Sugar Bowl teams

the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 get $50 million per conference two out of every three years for those bowls and the ACC gets $26.5 million as does whichever conference (SEC SEC SEC or Big 10) sends a team to the Orange Bowl

the third year when they do not get paid are the years when those bowls are playoff bowl sites

so two of those three aspects of what makes a P5 conference will be very hard (if ever) for a G5 conference to overcome because I doubt the P5 will be voting another conference to have 2 votes on NCAA business (nor will any G5 conference unless it is their own).....and with the football playoffs the reason those P5 conferences get 80% of the revenue is because the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 owned the major bowls (Cotton, Rose, and Sugar) that had to agree to allow their teams out of their agreements to be in those bowls in order for them to be in the playoffs

without those agreements those conferences would have continued to do things the old way, make a lot of money off of those bowl games, and the media and "polls" would have decided the football MNC

the ACC did not own the Orange Bowl, but they had strong ties to it so they got the lesser deal

now a G5 conference (or two) could conceivably get a bowl game that paid them $50 million per conference per year for two out of every three years and that played on NY day, but that seems unlikely to happen and that would still only be one of the three aspects of a P5 conference vs a G5 conference

Correct.

G5 schools "voted" to give the P5 schools DOUBLE the voting power, aka "Autonomy 5", which the SEC Commish turned into a PR spin of "Power 5"...as the G5 schools were "afraid" that the P5 Football Conferences would split away from the NCAA (I still think that was an empty threat but G5 schools/conferences fell for it).

That (Autonomy 5) will change and go the way of "The Alliance."

Do you really think a conference making $30 to $40 Million more will let someone making less tell them what to do? Really? What's the voting structure? 3 conferences can out vote the Big 2? LOL, At some point they'll be a reckoning. How did the autonomy work when the ACC and "the Alliance" held things up. Autonomy is DOA!

UNC, FSU, Clemson, UW, OU, etc could be working behind there associates back as I type. USC, UCLA, UT and OU sure did. The media didn't know squat.

Whether it's P5, Autonomy 5, Revenue 5, Jackson 5, or whatever you want to call that group, but they no longer have much in common because of the money. They'll keep allowing the little brothers crumbs as long as they stay in line. They'll make the lion share of the money plus wins is all they require of the others. It's a great system for them!

from Tomahawk Nation:

FSU athletic director Michael Alford is not tip-toeing around a soon to be untenable economic situation:

“We understand, especially at Florida State and a couple of other institutions, really understand the commitment of that gap that’s coming. It’s a freight train. That’s barreling down the tracks... I’m very involved and looking at solutions. Because I can’t sit here. And for five years, it’d be 30 million behind every year. It’s not a one-year thing. And that makes a big difference, especially when you start compounding that year after year after year.”

Alford wouldn’t say if he’s been contacted by other conferences, but he did say, without the ACC making changes, that gap will put a large burden on the fundraising arms of FSU. Alford believes falling behind in revenue could have Florida State behind the eight ball in competing for coaches, upgrading facilities and essentially everything else the “Power 2” conference would have to offer. Something else he thinks will force that gap to show up is the university’s reputation and dedication to competing in every sport.

“I need to protect Florida State University and make sure that we’re doing everything we can to make sure that we’re able to compete nationally," Alford said. "And I’m not talking just football."

Tick, tick, tick ...

It's coming...

(04-01-2023 08:21 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 08:15 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 05:29 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 04:53 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 07:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Correct.

G5 schools "voted" to give the P5 schools DOUBLE the voting power, aka "Autonomy 5", which the SEC Commish turned into a PR spin of "Power 5"...as the G5 schools were "afraid" that the P5 Football Conferences would split away from the NCAA (I still think that was an empty threat but G5 schools/conferences fell for it).

That (Autonomy 5) will change and go the way of "The Alliance."

Do you really think a conference making $30 to $40 Million more will let someone making less tell them what to do? Really? What's the voting structure? 3 conferences can out vote the Big 2? LOL, At some point they'll be a reckoning. How did the autonomy work when the ACC and "the Alliance" held things up. Autonomy is DOA!

UNC, FSU, Clemson, UW, OU, etc could be working behind there associates back as I type. USC, UCLA, UT and OU sure did. The media didn't know squat.

Whether it's P5, Autonomy 5, Revenue 5, Jackson 5, or whatever you want to call that group, but they no longer have much in common because of the money. They'll keep allowing the little brothers crumbs as long as they stay in line. They'll make the lion share of the money plus wins is all they require of the others. It's a great system for them!

from Tomahawk Nation:

FSU athletic director Michael Alford is not tip-toeing around a soon to be untenable economic situation:

“We understand, especially at Florida State and a couple of other institutions, really understand the commitment of that gap that’s coming. It’s a freight train. That’s barreling down the tracks... I’m very involved and looking at solutions. Because I can’t sit here. And for five years, it’d be 30 million behind every year. It’s not a one-year thing. And that makes a big difference, especially when you start compounding that year after year after year.”

Alford wouldn’t say if he’s been contacted by other conferences, but he did say, without the ACC making changes, that gap will put a large burden on the fundraising arms of FSU. Alford believes falling behind in revenue could have Florida State behind the eight ball in competing for coaches, upgrading facilities and essentially everything else the “Power 2” conference would have to offer. Something else he thinks will force that gap to show up is the university’s reputation and dedication to competing in every sport.

“I need to protect Florida State University and make sure that we’re doing everything we can to make sure that we’re able to compete nationally," Alford said. "And I’m not talking just football."

Tick, tick, tick ...

It's coming...

LOL!

It's coming and it's time for the non P2 to get smart putting their own plans together. The time for choosing is coming whether you want to or not. That separation began at the UT/OU deal and that reality really set in with the Big Ten back dooring "The Alliance" and autonomy with it! Done!

The P5 is not congruant!

(03-10-2023 12:31 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 10:21 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 09:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I agree with him. In the spirit of athletics 'wokeness,' trash the labels.

Hah! Wokeness has no spirit. It's full of self-indulgence.

With that said, sure, I wouldn't have a problem with trashing the P5 and G5 labels.

Side note: It's ironic when I hear the UCF public address announcer make a mention about DEI over the loudspeaker during football pregame, and yet UCF, like all of our schools, are part of a football world that has no intention of treating FBS institutions in any sort of equitable manner. By the left's logic, shouldn't the so-called HBCUs, or whatever schools might be considered highest on the intersectionality chart, be the ones getting the most revenue?

Having fun. I can't stand all the 'woke' bullschitt.

I can’t stand the woke or the Anti-woke. All a bunch of whiny gashes.

The P5 label should not be used and is a bogus title. i feel strongly this was up until June 30.

(04-01-2023 03:27 PM)Agust Wrote:  The P5 label should not be used and is a bogus title. i feel strongly this was up until June 30.

The labels will soon be replaced with:

NIL - rich

NIL - poor