I think so..

Step down amicably.

Some players say if he leaves they go too. I say a new coach will bring in his own.

Yes. Past time really. But yes, he needs to gracefully step down. Don't think it's going to happen though.

I don't see it happening. Surely the last two games will put a fire under him hand have him motivated for next season. But I don't know. Who is even out there that we could get? Before Dan we went through coaches like a porn star through rubber sheets.

I'd rather go through a ton of coaches on the off chance of hitting on a good one than to ride a single, mediocre one for years.

(03-15-2023 10:31 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  I'd rather go through a ton of coaches on the off chance of hitting on a good one than to ride a single, mediocre one for years.

I thought I was on the ODU board for a minute...

(03-16-2023 08:38 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 10:31 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  I'd rather go through a ton of coaches on the off chance of hitting on a good one than to ride a single, mediocre one for years.

I thought I was on the ODU board for a minute...

LOL but that's what we did for years.

Here's the yearly breakdown of past coaches at Marshall.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...shall/men/

(03-16-2023 10:20 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Here's the yearly breakdown of past coaches at Marshall.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...shall/men/

And that just proves my point. In our history, we are 1554-1152-2, for a .574 win percentage. Under Dan to this point we have a 164-128 record, for a .562 win percentage. Just going off of win percentage, Dan is clearly an average coach. Not good, not bad, just average. As I said, I'd rather go through more coaches hoping to get the next Billy Donovan or Huckabay or whoever than to just stick with 'good enough'. We had years of 'good enough' with Doc, and it looks like we are going to have 'good enough' years for as long as Dan wants to coach.

Sometimes the mentality of being scared to get rid of 'average' for the fear to falling to bad prevents the chance of actually becoming good. Marshall way to often in the past 25 years has been way to willing to promote, accept and condone mediocre performances IMO. We saw it from Snyder, Doc and now maybe even Huff. And from Jirsa, Herrion and now DD in basketball. I fell in love with Marshall when I was a teenager and we were playing for championships, and had a high standard of success. Sure, I know we can't win every year. But I'm sick of being out of championship consideration in November in football and I'm tired to basketball crapping the bed so often, and nothing being done to try to fix the situation.

Ok, rant over. I'm just so fed up with college sports in general with all the transfers and NIL and other garbage, Marshall has been the only thing really keeping me following college sports, and the acceptance of average performance is wearing thin.

(03-17-2023 12:51 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(03-16-2023 10:20 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Here's the yearly breakdown of past coaches at Marshall.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...shall/men/

And that just proves my point. In our history, we are 1554-1152-2, for a .574 win percentage. Under Dan to this point we have a 164-128 record, for a .562 win percentage. Just going off of win percentage, Dan is clearly an average coach. Not good, not bad, just average. As I said, I'd rather go through more coaches hoping to get the next Billy Donovan or Huckabay or whoever than to just stick with 'good enough'. We had years of 'good enough' with Doc, and it looks like we are going to have 'good enough' years for as long as Dan wants to coach.

Sometimes the mentality of being scared to get rid of 'average' for the fear to falling to bad prevents the chance of actually becoming good. Marshall way to often in the past 25 years has been way to willing to promote, accept and condone mediocre performances IMO. We saw it from Snyder, Doc and now maybe even Huff. And from Jirsa, Herrion and now DD in basketball. I fell in love with Marshall when I was a teenager and we were playing for championships, and had a high standard of success. Sure, I know we can't win every year. But I'm sick of being out of championship consideration in November in football and I'm tired to basketball crapping the bed so often, and nothing being done to try to fix the situation.

Ok, rant over. I'm just so fed up with college sports in general with all the transfers and NIL and other garbage, Marshall has been the only thing really keeping me following college sports, and the acceptance of average performance is wearing thin.

Hey I hear you, you make valid points and I agree with a lot of them.

We have the answer. This is why you don't hire someone who is related to a person on the BOG in a important position.

(03-28-2023 05:31 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  We have the answer. This is why you don't hire someone who is related to a person on the BOG in a important position.

Well he just got a 3 year extension.

Dantoni brings an exciting style of basketball and we win with him. As long as he doesn't have another year like 2021-22, I'm fine with him as coach. We have had A LOT worse. The grass isn't always (Kelly) greener.

(04-11-2023 08:14 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  Dantoni brings an exciting style of basketball and we win with him. As long as he doesn't have another year like 2021-22, I'm fine with him as coach. We have had A LOT worse. The grass isn't always (Kelly) greener.

We win with him? Only about 57% of the time. And only 1 chamionship in 18 possible to this point. Sure, we've had a lot worse, but we have had better too. And the grass isn't always greener, but sometimes it is. Certainly worth the risk in this case IMO.

(04-13-2023 10:19 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2023 08:14 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  Dantoni brings an exciting style of basketball and we win with him. As long as he doesn't have another year like 2021-22, I'm fine with him as coach. We have had A LOT worse. The grass isn't always (Kelly) greener.

We win with him? Only about 57% of the time. And only 1 chamionship in 18 possible to this point. Sure, we've had a lot worse, but we have had better too. And the grass isn't always greener, but sometimes it is. Certainly worth the risk in this case IMO.

When was the last time we were better? With Huckaby in the 80's?

(04-14-2023 09:48 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 10:19 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2023 08:14 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  Dantoni brings an exciting style of basketball and we win with him. As long as he doesn't have another year like 2021-22, I'm fine with him as coach. We have had A LOT worse. The grass isn't always (Kelly) greener.

We win with him? Only about 57% of the time. And only 1 chamionship in 18 possible to this point. Sure, we've had a lot worse, but we have had better too. And the grass isn't always greener, but sometimes it is. Certainly worth the risk in this case IMO.

When was the last time we were better? With Huckaby in the 80's?

While we can argue about how to define 'better', the following coaches all have a better win percentage at Marshall: Henderson, Huckabee, White, Zuffelato, Donovan, Tracy, plus a few others. Again, Dan isn't bad, but he really isn't good either. I'd risk becoming bad with the chance to get good rather than just staying average or mediocre. We stagnated with Doc and now going to do the same with Dan.

(04-18-2023 05:05 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:48 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 10:19 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2023 08:14 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  Dantoni brings an exciting style of basketball and we win with him. As long as he doesn't have another year like 2021-22, I'm fine with him as coach. We have had A LOT worse. The grass isn't always (Kelly) greener.

We win with him? Only about 57% of the time. And only 1 chamionship in 18 possible to this point. Sure, we've had a lot worse, but we have had better too. And the grass isn't always greener, but sometimes it is. Certainly worth the risk in this case IMO.

When was the last time we were better? With Huckaby in the 80's?

While we can argue about how to define 'better', the following coaches all have a better win percentage at Marshall: Henderson, Huckabee, White, Zuffelato, Donovan, Tracy, plus a few others. Again, Dan isn't bad, but he really isn't good either. I'd risk becoming bad with the chance to get good rather than just staying average or mediocre. We stagnated with Doc and now going to do the same with Dan.

We can also argue about how to define "stagnate" LOL. I get what you're saying, but we had a good season last year. Those coaches you listed were here 20 - 40 years ago, Greg White is the most recent you listed and he left in 2003. Here's our list of coaches just to take a gander at it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ma...ad_coaches

Exactly. We've been bad for so long that average Dan has us fooled into thinking his tenure is good. I wouldn't call a year with no championships or tournament wins or post season play good. Yeah we had a nice record. That and $2 can get us a Coke.

(04-26-2023 05:55 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  Exactly. We've been bad for so long that average Dan has us fooled into thinking his tenure is good. I wouldn't call a year with no championships or tournament wins or post season play good. Yeah we had a nice record. That and $2 can get us a Coke.

Doc did the same thing for us. Could never get us over the hump. I prefer an ice cold RC

(04-27-2023 06:57 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Doc did the same thing for us. Could never get us over the hump. I prefer an ice cold RC

There's an excitement factor involved.

Doc saw a 25% attendance decline from 2015-2020.

D'Antoni has seen a 60% attendance increase since 2015.

People speak with their feet and their dollars. There's a night and day difference. People left the Doc lack-of-culture and lack of offense. People are with Dan and his style of play.

(05-07-2023 12:39 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 06:57 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Doc did the same thing for us. Could never get us over the hump. I prefer an ice cold RC

There's an excitement factor involved.

Doc saw a 25% attendance decline from 2015-2020.

D'Antoni has seen a 60% attendance increase since 2015.

People speak with their feet and their dollars. There's a night and day difference. People left the Doc lack-of-culture and lack of offense. People are with Dan and his style of play.

This post isn't going to age well with everyone fleeing the sinking Dan ship as quickly as they can. The Henderson Center is likely to look pretty vacant with the team we appear to have returning now...