(03-09-2023 08:44 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Quarterfinals

Ohio MAC Teams: 358

Non Ohio MAC Teams + Miami (OH): 279

An All Ohio Semi Finals

Same four as last year.

Now there is a neutral court tie breaker for the basketball side of the Wagon Wheel.

My God, the drama! I’m drained after watching all four games, some of which weren’t decided until the seven minute mark of the first half! MACTION!

(03-09-2023 09:25 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:03 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Toledo and Kent State should both be in NCAA Tourney..... I know, I know "Not gonna happen", but they really should be

I just hope the MAC gets a 12 seed, if Toledo or Kent State wins.

Idk. It seems like it's possible for both. Maybe also 13 for UT. Do you seed based on NET alone? If so UT has little shot at the 12. But with some of the teams around them... well, the eye test isn't really close to as explosive as UT. A hot streak could force the committee to evaluate a recent UT without those bad early losses. A 4 seed like Marquette or Xavier may go bizzerk drawing Toledo. No one wants Kent either for the record... Their NET is just 10 or so above UT so it's closer to what you see is what you get.

semis on cbssn so no reghi, thank the gods.

espn2 will have a decent crew on the title game.

Todays lines as of 7 AM (via Caesar’s)

Toledo -5.5 vs. Ohio
Kent State -2.5 vs Akron

(03-09-2023 10:45 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  My God, the drama! I’m drained after watching all four games, some of which weren’t decided until the seven minute mark of the first half! MACTION!

Yeah, after the Toledo women's heart-stopping victory in the opening game, the rest of the tournament has been a complete snooze so far on both the men's and women's side.

(03-09-2023 02:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:02 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:19 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 11:48 AM)axeme Wrote:  I don’t know if I can take two days of Reghi. He overhypes every play and every player.

Wait till that Kent/ Akron game in the semis.

Yep, he loves him some Akron.

Tfb Akron does sign his paycheck. I'd be praising my employer on live TV too if it meant keeping my job.

He is losing it... misses so many facts. Can't pronounce a name right if he tried.

"Castronoodle for Akron with the Ball, to Ali Ali, no wait.. thats fremantle my apologies."

I’d have to agree with you…Michael is done…During the Kent-NIU game, for the 1st half, he called Kent’s Cli’Ron Hornbeak “Hornbreak.” Called Jalen Sullinger “Julian” (Jalen’s uncle and one of Kent’s Assistant Coaches).

He couldn’t finish a few stories before a break occurred and once they came back to live action, he never finished his story.

Nice guy but he’s done!

(03-10-2023 01:55 AM)pono Wrote:  semis on cbssn so no reghi, thank the gods.

espn2 will have a decent crew on the title game.

Yeah...but even as bad as Reghi is...thank heaven's we don't have to listen to Bill Walton. That dude's schtick was old 5 years ago. It's mentally exhausting listening to him create inane arguments for the sake of arguing with his partner.

I've got Ohio and Kent winning today...although I can see Akron slipping by.

(03-09-2023 11:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 09:25 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:03 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Toledo and Kent State should both be in NCAA Tourney..... I know, I know "Not gonna happen", but they really should be

I just hope the MAC gets a 12 seed, if Toledo or Kent State wins.

Idk. It seems like it's possible for both. Maybe also 13 for UT. Do you seed based on NET alone? If so UT has little shot at the 12. But with some of the teams around them... well, the eye test isn't really close to as explosive as UT. A hot streak could force the committee to evaluate a recent UT without those bad early losses. A 4 seed like Marquette or Xavier may go bizzerk drawing Toledo. No one wants Kent either for the record... Their NET is just 10 or so above UT so it's closer to what you see is what you get.

Right now looking at what teams that have secured their conferences auto-bid and which teams are currently slotted in as favorites, I think both Toledo and Kent are on that 12/13 line with both being more likely to get a 13 seed than a 12.

What would help their odds is if some team would upset Florida Atlantic to secure the conference auto-bid. Florida Atlantic would still make the field, but they would be stealing an at-large from likely one of the ~.500 power conference teams. This would theoretically slide Kent or Toledo up one spot on the seed list since a new team would be slotted behind them, which might just be enough to be the difference between a 12 vs 13 seed.

(03-10-2023 09:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 01:55 AM)pono Wrote:  semis on cbssn so no reghi, thank the gods.

espn2 will have a decent crew on the title game.

Yeah...but even as bad as Reghi is...thank heaven's we don't have to listen to Bill Walton. That dude's schtick was old 5 years ago. It's mentally exhausting listening to him create inane arguments for the sake of arguing with his partner.

Agree! Walton is the worst. Annoying as hell

(03-10-2023 10:42 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 11:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 09:25 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:03 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Toledo and Kent State should both be in NCAA Tourney..... I know, I know "Not gonna happen", but they really should be

I just hope the MAC gets a 12 seed, if Toledo or Kent State wins.

Idk. It seems like it's possible for both. Maybe also 13 for UT. Do you seed based on NET alone? If so UT has little shot at the 12. But with some of the teams around them... well, the eye test isn't really close to as explosive as UT. A hot streak could force the committee to evaluate a recent UT without those bad early losses. A 4 seed like Marquette or Xavier may go bizzerk drawing Toledo. No one wants Kent either for the record... Their NET is just 10 or so above UT so it's closer to what you see is what you get.

Right now looking at what teams that have secured their conferences auto-bid and which teams are currently slotted in as favorites, I think both Toledo and Kent are on that 12/13 line with both being more likely to get a 13 seed than a 12.

What would help their odds is if some team would upset Florida Atlantic to secure the conference auto-bid. Florida Atlantic would still make the field, but they would be stealing an at-large from likely one of the ~.500 power conference teams. This would theoretically slide Kent or Toledo up one spot on the seed list since a new team would be slotted behind them, which might just be enough to be the difference between a 12 vs 13 seed.

UAB and UNT both have nets better than Toledo and Kent... we do NOT want them to get in and jump us. But I would technically rather have two CUSA teams instead of a 19-14 P5.

(03-10-2023 12:37 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:42 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 11:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 09:25 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:03 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Toledo and Kent State should both be in NCAA Tourney..... I know, I know "Not gonna happen", but they really should be

I just hope the MAC gets a 12 seed, if Toledo or Kent State wins.

Idk. It seems like it's possible for both. Maybe also 13 for UT. Do you seed based on NET alone? If so UT has little shot at the 12. But with some of the teams around them... well, the eye test isn't really close to as explosive as UT. A hot streak could force the committee to evaluate a recent UT without those bad early losses. A 4 seed like Marquette or Xavier may go bizzerk drawing Toledo. No one wants Kent either for the record... Their NET is just 10 or so above UT so it's closer to what you see is what you get.

Right now looking at what teams that have secured their conferences auto-bid and which teams are currently slotted in as favorites, I think both Toledo and Kent are on that 12/13 line with both being more likely to get a 13 seed than a 12.

What would help their odds is if some team would upset Florida Atlantic to secure the conference auto-bid. Florida Atlantic would still make the field, but they would be stealing an at-large from likely one of the ~.500 power conference teams. This would theoretically slide Kent or Toledo up one spot on the seed list since a new team would be slotted behind them, which might just be enough to be the difference between a 12 vs 13 seed.

UAB and UNT both have nets better than Toledo and Kent... we do NOT want them to get in and jump us. But I would technically rather have two CUSA teams instead of a 19-14 P5.

It's about getting more auto qualifier teams in that would be seeded behind you, which moves you up the seed list. Kent or Toledo getting seeded ahead of the at-large teams just isn't going to happen so the fact Florida Atlantic getting an at-large spot wouldn't hinder Toledo or Kent at all. It would just bump out a team like Rutgers or Penn State.

You're right UNT would certainly be seeded ahead of both Toledo and Kent. UAB isn't a given, especially since they have a head-to-head loss to Toledo. Who you'd really want to win is Middle Tennesse.

(03-10-2023 02:19 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 12:37 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:42 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 11:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 09:25 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  I just hope the MAC gets a 12 seed, if Toledo or Kent State wins.

Idk. It seems like it's possible for both. Maybe also 13 for UT. Do you seed based on NET alone? If so UT has little shot at the 12. But with some of the teams around them... well, the eye test isn't really close to as explosive as UT. A hot streak could force the committee to evaluate a recent UT without those bad early losses. A 4 seed like Marquette or Xavier may go bizzerk drawing Toledo. No one wants Kent either for the record... Their NET is just 10 or so above UT so it's closer to what you see is what you get.

Right now looking at what teams that have secured their conferences auto-bid and which teams are currently slotted in as favorites, I think both Toledo and Kent are on that 12/13 line with both being more likely to get a 13 seed than a 12.

What would help their odds is if some team would upset Florida Atlantic to secure the conference auto-bid. Florida Atlantic would still make the field, but they would be stealing an at-large from likely one of the ~.500 power conference teams. This would theoretically slide Kent or Toledo up one spot on the seed list since a new team would be slotted behind them, which might just be enough to be the difference between a 12 vs 13 seed.

UAB and UNT both have nets better than Toledo and Kent... we do NOT want them to get in and jump us. But I would technically rather have two CUSA teams instead of a 19-14 P5.

It's about getting more auto qualifier teams in that would be seeded behind you, which moves you up the seed list. Kent or Toledo getting seeded ahead of the at-large teams just isn't going to happen so the fact Florida Atlantic getting an at-large spot wouldn't hinder Toledo or Kent at all. It would just bump out a team like Rutgers or Penn State.

You're right UNT would certainly be seeded ahead of both Toledo and Kent. UAB isn't a given, especially since they have a head-to-head loss to Toledo. Who you'd really want to win is Middle Tennesse.

If FAU wins CUSA, they are ahead of the MACC. If UNT or UAB does, that team AND FAU are above us... which bumps us back. The MAC wants the AQ top seeds to win their tourneys if they are safely in otherwise (aka far above our schools). CUSA would have a bid stealer for big schools as well as bump BACK our Champ.

(03-10-2023 03:01 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:19 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 12:37 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:42 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 11:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Idk. It seems like it's possible for both. Maybe also 13 for UT. Do you seed based on NET alone? If so UT has little shot at the 12. But with some of the teams around them... well, the eye test isn't really close to as explosive as UT. A hot streak could force the committee to evaluate a recent UT without those bad early losses. A 4 seed like Marquette or Xavier may go bizzerk drawing Toledo. No one wants Kent either for the record... Their NET is just 10 or so above UT so it's closer to what you see is what you get.

Right now looking at what teams that have secured their conferences auto-bid and which teams are currently slotted in as favorites, I think both Toledo and Kent are on that 12/13 line with both being more likely to get a 13 seed than a 12.

What would help their odds is if some team would upset Florida Atlantic to secure the conference auto-bid. Florida Atlantic would still make the field, but they would be stealing an at-large from likely one of the ~.500 power conference teams. This would theoretically slide Kent or Toledo up one spot on the seed list since a new team would be slotted behind them, which might just be enough to be the difference between a 12 vs 13 seed.

UAB and UNT both have nets better than Toledo and Kent... we do NOT want them to get in and jump us. But I would technically rather have two CUSA teams instead of a 19-14 P5.

It's about getting more auto qualifier teams in that would be seeded behind you, which moves you up the seed list. Kent or Toledo getting seeded ahead of the at-large teams just isn't going to happen so the fact Florida Atlantic getting an at-large spot wouldn't hinder Toledo or Kent at all. It would just bump out a team like Rutgers or Penn State.

You're right UNT would certainly be seeded ahead of both Toledo and Kent. UAB isn't a given, especially since they have a head-to-head loss to Toledo. Who you'd really want to win is Middle Tennesse.

If FAU wins CUSA, they are ahead of the MACC. If UNT or UAB does, that team AND FAU are above us... which bumps us back. The MAC wants the AQ top seeds to win their tourneys if they are safely in otherwise (aka far above our schools). CUSA would have a bid stealer for big schools as well as bump BACK our Champ.

How would the MAC get bumped back? Even if for arguments sake UNT wins the tournament and gets seeded ahead of a MAC team, the MAC team would remain in the same exact place as it sits currently.

Let's just say this below bracketmatrix link is how the field currently stands as of this minute. If UNT beat FAU, FAU instead of being an AQ would be an at-large. This would knock Arizona State out of the tournament, who currently is the last11 seed in. That would slide Charleston, who is currently the top ranked 12 seed, to an 11 seed. UNT would then get the vacated 12 seed that is open since they got a AQ. The MAC seed would remain unchanged as the team booted from the tournament was already seeded ahead of them and replaced by a team that would also be ahead of them.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

(03-10-2023 03:46 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 03:01 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:19 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 12:37 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:42 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Right now looking at what teams that have secured their conferences auto-bid and which teams are currently slotted in as favorites, I think both Toledo and Kent are on that 12/13 line with both being more likely to get a 13 seed than a 12.

What would help their odds is if some team would upset Florida Atlantic to secure the conference auto-bid. Florida Atlantic would still make the field, but they would be stealing an at-large from likely one of the ~.500 power conference teams. This would theoretically slide Kent or Toledo up one spot on the seed list since a new team would be slotted behind them, which might just be enough to be the difference between a 12 vs 13 seed.

UAB and UNT both have nets better than Toledo and Kent... we do NOT want them to get in and jump us. But I would technically rather have two CUSA teams instead of a 19-14 P5.

It's about getting more auto qualifier teams in that would be seeded behind you, which moves you up the seed list. Kent or Toledo getting seeded ahead of the at-large teams just isn't going to happen so the fact Florida Atlantic getting an at-large spot wouldn't hinder Toledo or Kent at all. It would just bump out a team like Rutgers or Penn State.

You're right UNT would certainly be seeded ahead of both Toledo and Kent. UAB isn't a given, especially since they have a head-to-head loss to Toledo. Who you'd really want to win is Middle Tennesse.

If FAU wins CUSA, they are ahead of the MACC. If UNT or UAB does, that team AND FAU are above us... which bumps us back. The MAC wants the AQ top seeds to win their tourneys if they are safely in otherwise (aka far above our schools). CUSA would have a bid stealer for big schools as well as bump BACK our Champ.

How would the MAC get bumped back? Even if for arguments sake UNT wins the tournament and gets seeded ahead of a MAC team, the MAC team would remain in the same exact place as it sits currently.

Let's just say this below bracketmatrix link is how the field currently stands as of this minute. If UNT beat FAU, FAU instead of being an AQ would be an at-large. This would knock Arizona State out of the tournament, who currently is the last11 seed in. That would slide Charleston, who is currently the top ranked 12 seed, to an 11 seed. UNT would then get the vacated 12 seed that is open since they got a AQ. The MAC seed would remain unchanged as the team booted from the tournament was already seeded ahead of them and replaced by a team that would also be ahead of them.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

To be fair when I replied MTSU was already out. It doesn't matter because the top 3 schools are all above us anyways. UAB maybe loses a seed war with UT. But I still doubt it.

Ohio didn’t want the smoke as they are sent home 82-75 by Toledo.

Considering Toledo's history in the tournament, the Kent-Akron game is the championship.

(03-10-2023 08:14 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Considering Toledo's history in the tournament, the Kent-Akron game is the championship.

Yep. Lol. But Akron has SUCKED to Toledo lately, and Kent dominant. Will be a war either way.