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(03-10-2023 09:21 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 02:47 AM)pono Wrote:  The portal is heating up. Lots of small college stars and good low to mid major players putting in their names in the last week. The D2 and D3 guys are looking for low to mid major new schools, while the D1 guys are gonna sign at all levels.

TK said last month we would sign a frontcourt player from the portal. Expect a good offensive player with 2 years of remaining eligibility. Someone who can step into the rotation, possibly as a starter. UT recruits on skill, fit and commitment. Could be a sf, pf, or center. Won't be a kid who has already transferred once or twice.

one MAC name in the portal is boopie miller. the cmu pg who was on the all-fresh team 2 years ago and looked good early this year before getting hurt. he was in the portal last yr too but chose to come back to cmu. i don't get good vibes from barbee, but he has an eye for talent.

May 1 thru 15 portal window

Maybe Edu waits to see what TK does through the portal before deciding if he will come back. If he does commit to TK before the portal window, it won't mean much if TK then goes out and through the portal and lands a ready-to-play big guy. He may not want to come back if he is in the back-up role again. If he has classes left to finish up a masters, that may the key to coming back as well.

I don't follow this stuff, so I'm asking these questions out of ignorance. If he has classes left for a degree - can he even transfer to another school without changing what his degree will be in? Or is that waived for a grad degree already started? I thought the ability to transfer for a final year was only possible if it was to take courses not offered at the current school you attend.
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We're losing major scoring production from Shumate and Milner (32ppg.) so I think TK is thinking he needs to go out and get an interior player who can give us double digit points as there is still a lot of uncertainty on what we will get points wise next season out of Simmons, Lorentson, Edu (if he comes back), and the incoming freshmen.
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(03-10-2023 12:51 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  We're losing major scoring production from Shumate and Milner (32ppg.) so I think TK is thinking he needs to go out and get an interior player who can give us double digit points as there is still a lot of uncertainty on what we will get points wise next season out of Simmons, Lorentson, Edu (if he comes back), and the incoming freshmen.

Losing two inside-outside production guys, what a coaching challenge! Definitely going to miss those two personalities as well as the talent.

We might be back to last year or the year before, developmently and then we lose Dennis. By end of year, K hopefully can adjust to the new talent set and have someone prepared to take up Dennis' role. You know he have the team in the mix. No lower than fourth.

Lorentson might surprise. He seems to do well moving around the court. He can be that solid 40% 3-pt shooter. I don't know if he'll ever be a banger but he can certainly reach over most. I think he sees the court well. He might give us a top of the key guy.
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It seems to me if there were any chance of AJ not coming back, they would have honored him on senior day. That would be a horrible slight if they did that. Gotta think he's coming back. There's no limit on the amount of degrees a person/player can get.

The portal window opens on Monday and runs for 60 days. That's just the window for players to declare and qualify for the waiver to play immediately. Signings are not limited to that window and can extend into the summer.
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(03-10-2023 12:51 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  We're losing major scoring production from Shumate and Milner (32ppg.) so I think TK is thinking he needs to go out and get an interior player who can give us double digit points as there is still a lot of uncertainty on what we will get points wise next season out of Simmons, Lorentson, Edu (if he comes back), and the incoming freshmen.

Not even just the points...losing those two will completely change the offensive spacing of the team in general, not even counting if RayJ decides to take his chances with the Draft process. I do not even Coach K trying to figure this one out.
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(03-10-2023 02:49 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  It seems to me if there were any chance of AJ not coming back, they would have honored him on senior day. That would be a horrible slight if they did that. Gotta think he's coming back. There's no limit on the amount of degrees a person/player can get.

The portal window opens on Monday and runs for 60 days. That's just the window for players to declare and qualify for the waiver to play immediately. Signings are not limited to that window and can extend into the summer.

I would think all players are returning with possible exception of Wilson. I doubt Ray J leaves. I think Edu returns. IMHO
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(03-10-2023 03:28 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 02:49 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  It seems to me if there were any chance of AJ not coming back, they would have honored him on senior day. That would be a horrible slight if they did that. Gotta think he's coming back. There's no limit on the amount of degrees a person/player can get.

The portal window opens on Monday and runs for 60 days. That's just the window for players to declare and qualify for the waiver to play immediately. Signings are not limited to that window and can extend into the summer.

I would think all players are returning with possible exception of Wilson. I doubt Ray J leaves. I think Edu returns. IMHO

"Unfortunately" the job is to graduate them into jobs. What else can Dennis do? We were talking about Rollins way before this part of the season.

He was a uninanimous POV in a terrific guard conference.
If they feelers say reasonable 2nd round, it' a no-brainer and for K, next man up.
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Dennis is a long shot for the NBA, stay in school and improve your stock.
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(03-09-2023 08:52 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  I would not count on Edu for next season. TK will sit down with the young man and find out for sure what his plans will be after this season has climaxed.

I would count on Edu for next season.
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(03-10-2023 08:38 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  AJ lives in England. I would be shocked if TK hadn"t talked to AJ a long time ago about his future.

I agree. And if AJ had said said he wasn't going to return, he would have participated in Senior Night.
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(03-10-2023 04:04 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  Dennis is a long shot for the NBA, stay in school and improve your stock.

Long shot….03-lmfao03-lmfao
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This is a close knit team. These relationships are important to everyone. RayJ is in a great place where he has respect and leads the team. He mostly missed the chance to play with his old friend Cochran this year. If he comes back with this group, cochran, simmons, and a portal transfer frontcourt player that can really score-another great season is possible. the group of moss, maddox, farmer, cochran as 2024-5 seniors is gonna be tough too.

AJ is an outlier in that he might be pulled in different directions. He will likely play in the Philippines over the summer and could stay there where he's a citizen and has family and be a high profile pro player on one of their big pro teams (P.I. has two pro basketball leagues). He could take his two degrees and international background and get hired at a good job. He could return to his parents and teenage home of England and play ball while setting himself up for work or business opportunities. He could stay at UT, play another year or two of high level college hoops with an important role, and get into a third degree (technically AJ has 2 more years of eligibility if he applies for a medical RS for last season). He's gonna be alright but none of us know for sure how that post season convo w TK will go.

We also don't know about Cooper Jacobi. The staff hasn't brought him up much. Has he improved and is ready to be a nice rotation player? TK said we will look to sign a forward/center from the portal. Does that mean they see Jacobi as our 4th or 5th big, depending on if AJ stays. Is Lorenttson ahead of him? Who knows. One game at a time now. Keep winning
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I see no reason why Dennis would portal. Rollins proved a good Rocket guard can make it in NBA. As long as TK is here next year, so is Dennis. No reason to risk a drop off that might happen in a diff system.
But, if rockets make it to dance, will K be back? And recruit Sony Wilson?? That is a bigger question, isn't it?
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TK not leaving. Dennis not transferring. Question was if NBA has interest in Dennis.
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(03-11-2023 03:44 AM)pono Wrote:  TK not leaving. Dennis not transferring. Question was if NBA has interest in Dennis.

Whew - that is a relief...back to sleep źźzzzzzzzzzz.
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If Dennis is drafted and given a 2-way contract (much like Rollins), he'll be putting away about a $1M after taxes over the next 5 years. That's why he would go if he has that evaluation (and I'm guessing he may). He can't come anywhere close to that through NIL here, it would be the smart move for him at the moment, as there truly is nothing left for him to prove about his individual game.

All that being said, I hope he stays, because if he doesn't we'll be in a world of hurt next year.
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I don't know about world of hurt, when Marian Jackson left, others follow. The most important thing is, after the Rockets win tonight, does TK move on after this season ?
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(03-11-2023 10:13 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  If Dennis is drafted and given a 2-way contract (much like Rollins), he'll be putting away about a $1M after taxes over the next 5 years. That's why he would go if he has that evaluation (and I'm guessing he may). He can't come anywhere close to that through NIL here, it would be the smart move for him at the moment, as there truly is nothing left for him to prove about his individual game.

All that being said, I hope he stays, because if he doesn't we'll be in a world of hurt next year.

Rollins is not on a 2 way contract. He has a 3 year NBA deal at about 1 mill a year. 2 years guaranteed and the team has an option on a third year. Very similar deal to Preston w the Clippers. Generally, NBA draft contract work like this.
- 1st rounder 3 to 4 year team commitment at about 10 mill a yeaer to 2 mill a year (depending on where you are drafted)
- early 2nd rounder team makes a 2 year commitment at around the league minimum of 1 mill
- late 2nd rounder usually gets a 2 way contract with no real commitment. that is small money if you are playing on the G league roster but bumps up to league minimum if you get called up.

Rollins measured a little over 6-3 with a 6-10 wingspan a 36 inch max vertical and the fastest sprint time at the combine on a broken foot. Dennis is maybe 6-2 with more normal arm length and less athleticism. His skill level and smarts make him a potential prospect, but the physical attributes make him less likely to get picked than Rollins. If UT can make the tourney and Dennis goes off on someone it would alter his profile a bit. FWIW I don't see Carry as an NBA prospect. Too short, small hands, short arms, inconsistent jumper, dribbles too much.

2 way contract and even NBA minimum type money is not necessarily enticing to really grounded young men like Dennis. They know they will get paid to play pro ball somewhere after college. If they are like Rollins and projected as a late 1st/early 2nd round pick there's some assurances, but not really a good long term financial move to leave school as a marginal draft pick. That kind of money (or more) will still be there the next year and you can't get back your senior year of college with your friends. Rollins and Preston left early and spent their first year (Preston his second too) injured, rehabbing, and then bouncing around the G League with a handful of games sitting on the bench in the league.

Don't see any of our key guys going into the portal. They love playing at UT and are a tight knit group. As we've argued on before, few mid major stars who transfer to P6 schools enhance their draft status. You are more likely to get drafted from a mid major where you are the guy and can really show off your total game.
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K would probably only leave for the right opportunity !!
I really don’t see the Marquette or Wisconsin jobs opening up soon !!
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(03-11-2023 02:47 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  K would probably only leave for the right opportunity !!
I really don’t see the Marquette or Wisconsin jobs opening up soon !!

Notre Dame is taking their time looking for the right coach. I hope TK is eager to add more titles and championships in Toledo. But if he were to get an offer like Dennis Gates just signed who could blame him for leaving?

"Missouri's Dennis Gates, who agreed to a restructured contract on Friday that will go through 2028-29 and is now paying him $4 million annually. Gates' new buyout is a whopping $25.5 million."
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