(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:12 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  It’s my impression he ran a pretty clean program. Is this a fair impression?

On what universe. His teams got banned from the tournament twice and he got stripped of 100 plus wins.

The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

And that was the second time that they were on probation and had to miss the tournament.

(03-09-2023 09:47 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 07:51 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I don’t know the formula exactly, but 1 title does not give you lifetime employment. 2titles is iffy, then if you get 3 or more then sure, you can coach as long as you want like poppovich or Bowden. But 1? Boeheim was an outstanding coach, but there are quite a few with similar or better results over the past 47 years. It was time.

It’s a divisive issue. If you weren’t much of a program before and are now considered amongst a top layer, that could be one determinant. The issue then is the self-infliction of bad seasons and irrelevancy that brings the program down. Was Boeheim doing that at Syracuse the last few years? I don’t know…but his crankiness and criticism over the new era of NIL and transfer portals wasn’t aligned to where SU basketball needed to face.

I think Syracuse was in a tough spot here. Boeheim didn’t help it with passing it over to the school. He tries to make himself into a victim. That’s not very classy.

Comparing this to what happened a few years ago now in Philly with Martelli at Saint Joe’s and Dunphy at Temple…those guys were done wrong and dirty by their schools. I don’t feel the same as what just happened to Jim here. I don’t know if Syracuse being more competitive and better the last two seasons could have helped him “own the choice” like Coach K and Jay Wright did.

Yeah. Dunphy and Martelli were done wrong...the way their ousters were handled are public relations nightmares. Four years later, it's still hard to understand why their departures were needed. Martelli immediately pissed-on St Joe's narrative by becoming a successful assistant at Michigan; and Dunphy has gotten good reviews after taking the helm at LaSalle. The programs, players and fans at Temple and St Joe's are the bigger losers. My guess is that big money donors must have pushed those decisions (and school administrators didn't have the courage to support quality coaches).

The Syracuse-Boeheim separation seems very different. Boeheim didn't express any optimism about the future of the program. Syracuse's chancellor finally put an end to the saga. I'm just surprised that Boeheim didn't have the self-awareness to retire on his terms.

(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:12 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  It’s my impression he ran a pretty clean program. Is this a fair impression?

On what universe. His teams got banned from the tournament twice and he got stripped of 100 plus wins.

The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

(03-09-2023 02:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:22 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  It’s my impression he ran a pretty clean program. Is this a fair impression?

didn't he have a "short eyes" diddler type on his staff for years?

It was never proven after the ESPN hit piece. I heard story after story Bernie Fine wasn't as portrayed

Even Bernie's beard, I mean, wife claimed she couldn't do anything to stop his behavior.

There's nothing "sainted" about Jim Boeheim. Almost analogous to Papa Joe at Penn State in that they have both been there forever and had a lot of bad actors on their staff and always claimed "I knew nothing about it". The "aw shucks" shtick wears thin.

(03-09-2023 03:25 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:12 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  It’s my impression he ran a pretty clean program. Is this a fair impression?

On what universe. His teams got banned from the tournament twice and he got stripped of 100 plus wins.

The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

It was a tragic accident. It was nothing more than that.

(03-09-2023 03:25 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:12 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  It’s my impression he ran a pretty clean program. Is this a fair impression?

On what universe. His teams got banned from the tournament twice and he got stripped of 100 plus wins.

The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

???

You're honestly comparing a car accident, on a highway at night with bad weather...to a pedophile who sexually assaulted kids for decades.

(03-09-2023 03:50 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:25 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:12 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  It’s my impression he ran a pretty clean program. Is this a fair impression?

On what universe. His teams got banned from the tournament twice and he got stripped of 100 plus wins.

The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

???

You're honestly comparing a car accident, on a highway at night with bad weather...to a pedophile who sexually assaulted kids for decades.

you are correct that I may have been a little over the top concerning that incident; BUT the Bernie Fine thing is the comparison to Sandusky. Just agreeing with the poster who mentioned the "aw shucks" Dad thing is the real issue. Boeheim just looked/seemed like an entitled jerk.

(03-09-2023 04:24 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:50 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:25 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:12 PM)whittx Wrote:  On what universe. His teams got banned from the tournament twice and he got stripped of 100 plus wins.

The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

???

You're honestly comparing a car accident, on a highway at night with bad weather...to a pedophile who sexually assaulted kids for decades.

you are correct that I may have been a little over the top concerning that incident; BUT the Bernie Fine thing is the comparison to Sandusky. Just agreeing with the poster who mentioned the "aw shucks" Dad thing is the real issue. Boeheim just looked/seemed like an entitled jerk.

You were way over the top with that comparison. But its nice to see that you are able to admit that it wasnt a good comparison. You seem to have a lot of hate in your heart regarding JB. He can be a jerk, especially in recent years. But the guy does have a good heart. I have heard about his giving spirit for many years. Regarding the Bernie Fine issues, non of those accusations were proven. It turned out that he was just a married guy who was also gay and cheating on his wife with men.

(03-09-2023 04:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 04:24 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:50 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:25 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:36 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  The PERCEPTION of Boeheim is that he's the "aww, shucks" goofy dad everyone likes. But he's really a scumbag. He should have been fired in 2015 and the program should have gotten the death penalty.

Hiding positive drug tests, then after they got a scholarship reduction he just booted the worst kids off his team so he could go recruiting for better players to get around the sanctions!

He played the victim card about his suspension (when EVERYWHERE ELSE would have fired the coach and the AD).

Oh and before the sanctions, Syracuse gave itself a 2015 self-imposed post-season ban... after losing 3 of 4 games seeing two guys get injured and out for the year. They basically waited until their promising 13-4 start collapsed and they were dropped from NCAA projections to ban themselves from the tournament.

He's also TWO YEARS OLDER than Coach K. Coach K just had his GRANDSON on the team, while Boeheim had his SONS on the team... because Coach K didn't kick his wife to the curb when he got rich and famous and replace her with a trophy wife.

AND he killed a guy.

killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

???

You're honestly comparing a car accident, on a highway at night with bad weather...to a pedophile who sexually assaulted kids for decades.

you are correct that I may have been a little over the top concerning that incident; BUT the Bernie Fine thing is the comparison to Sandusky. Just agreeing with the poster who mentioned the "aw shucks" Dad thing is the real issue. Boeheim just looked/seemed like an entitled jerk.

You were way over the top with that comparison. But its nice to see that you are able to admit that it wasnt a good comparison. You seem to have a lot of hate in your heart regarding JB. He can be a jerk, especially in recent years. But the guy does have a good heart. I have heard about his giving spirit for many years. Regarding the Bernie Fine issues, non of those accusations were proven. It turned out that he was just a married guy who was also gay and cheating on his wife with men.

Let's just get the facts and circumstances correct: he was just a married guy who was also gay and cheating on his wife with men.
is glossing over the fact that he molested a number of ball boys (don't know their ages but to call them "men" is stretching the truth. The poor comparison was the automobile accident to Sandusky. I didn't mean for that, but "the gay married guy cheating on the wife with men" assumes the men were in their 30's or something. From what I read Bernie was fired from the Cuse for the ball boy scandal. But the relevance to Jim Boeheim is that he allowed this to continue. I don't care if Bernie Fine was gay or not; what bothers me is the ball boy molesting charge because how old could these individuals be? 17? 16?

(03-09-2023 02:43 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Yeah. Dunphy and Martelli were done wrong...the way their ousters were handled are public relations nightmares. Four years later, it's still hard to understand why their departures were needed. Martelli immediately pissed-on St Joe's narrative by becoming a successful assistant at Michigan; and Dunphy has gotten good reviews after taking the helm at LaSalle. The programs, players and fans at Temple and St Joe's are the bigger losers. My guess is that big money donors must have pushed those decisions (and school administrators didn't have the courage to support quality coaches).

It's easy to see how Saint Joe's had a "grass is greener" mindset.

Martelli had been there 24 years, but nine of his last 11 seasons were just bad seasons. Now, how much of that is on the coach and how much of that is just the landscape of recruiting, the depth of the A-10, also playing a Big Five schedule, etc, etc.

I don't think that much actually was on Martelli. You frequently see some of the same schools firing & hiring coaches every 6 years or so, and it's like "Maybe it's not the coach, maybe it's the school."

So either SJU was clueless and got rid of a good coach and they're probably not going to be A-10 contenders very often... OR they realized that their issues are larger than the coach, so why pay the cost of a coach 22-year veteran who's been to the Elite 8 when they can suck for cheaper, OR put Martelli's salary towards improving the program first, THEN go get a good coach later.

(03-09-2023 01:09 AM)Schema Wrote:  If I knew his address, I'd send him a Denny's gift card to celebrate his retirement.

As long as the card restricts redemption only in Greensboro, NC.

Seems Jim Boeheim and Bob Knight were similar as coaches in that both could be arrogant and nasty, while simultaneously capable (behind the scenes) of nice gestures such as visiting people in hospitals. I'm sure JB has some good qualities. But from this outsider's perspective, Boeheim seemed to get increasingly surly and dismissive as he aged. He was not graceful or grateful in handling his latter years as Cuse coach, particularly as the defeats mounted. To be clear, he was an elite coach. And anybody who can stick with a job for that many years ... strong. I respect the dedication to the craft. But man, he was often a pompous jerk (unlike, say, John Calipari, Roy Williams and Shaka Smart, who all seem always very positive and pleasant — and gracious in defeat).

As I Vanderbilt fan who endured the nastiness of Kevin Stallings (who, like Boeheim, was a very good coach and won more than he lost), I would think many Syracuse fans are quietly relieved that Boeheim is gone.

(03-09-2023 05:34 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 04:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 04:24 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:50 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 03:25 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  killed a guy

love the way he ran over a guy and the "authorities" declined to prosecute. Doesn't it remind you of Sandusky at Penn State????

???

You're honestly comparing a car accident, on a highway at night with bad weather...to a pedophile who sexually assaulted kids for decades.

you are correct that I may have been a little over the top concerning that incident; BUT the Bernie Fine thing is the comparison to Sandusky. Just agreeing with the poster who mentioned the "aw shucks" Dad thing is the real issue. Boeheim just looked/seemed like an entitled jerk.

You were way over the top with that comparison. But its nice to see that you are able to admit that it wasnt a good comparison. You seem to have a lot of hate in your heart regarding JB. He can be a jerk, especially in recent years. But the guy does have a good heart. I have heard about his giving spirit for many years. Regarding the Bernie Fine issues, non of those accusations were proven. It turned out that he was just a married guy who was also gay and cheating on his wife with men.

Let's just get the facts and circumstances correct: he was just a married guy who was also gay and cheating on his wife with men.
is glossing over the fact that he molested a number of ball boys (don't know their ages but to call them "men" is stretching the truth. The poor comparison was the automobile accident to Sandusky. I didn't mean for that, but "the gay married guy cheating on the wife with men" assumes the men were in their 30's or something. From what I read Bernie was fired from the Cuse for the ball boy scandal. But the relevance to Jim Boeheim is that he allowed this to continue. I don't care if Bernie Fine was gay or not; what bothers me is the ball boy molesting charge because how old could these individuals be? 17? 16?

You seem to have overlooked this key part of my comment:

"non of those accusations were proven"

In other words, those accusers were not really credible and it turned out that SU acted hastily in separating themselves from Bernie Fine. Your dislike for JB has you trying real hard to put him in the same light as Joe Paterno at Penn State and their predatory scandal. Unlike Penn State, Nothing was ever proven with Bernie Fine molesting little boys, and the accusers were not real credible as their story kept evolving, and they were also brothers. If there was never anything proven then how do you know that JB allowed this to happen? The first time that I heard anyone say that JB allowed this to happen was in your post just now.

And when I said that he cheated on his wife with men, I meant men. Not boys. Nothing was proven that he molested little boys back in the 80's, or 90's or today, but we do know that he was regularly having relationships with men. His wife admitted as much. Those are facts.

(03-09-2023 05:57 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Seems Jim Boeheim and Bob Knight were similar as coaches in that both could be arrogant and nasty, while simultaneously capable (behind the scenes) of nice gestures such as visiting people in hospitals. I'm sure JB has some good qualities. But from this outsider's perspective, Boeheim seemed to get increasingly surly and dismissive as he aged. He was not graceful or grateful in handling his latter years as Cuse coach, particularly as the defeats mounted. To be clear, he was an elite coach. And anybody who can stick with a job for that many years ... strong. I respect the dedication to the craft. But man, he was often a pompous jerk (unlike, say, John Calipari, Roy Williams and Shaka Smart, who all seem always very positive and pleasant — and gracious in defeat).

As I Vanderbilt fan who endured the nastiness of Kevin Stallings (who, like Boeheim, was a very good coach and won more than he lost), I would think many Syracuse fans are quietly relieved that Boeheim is gone.

Just like Jacksonville Jaguars players, staff & fans were quietly relieved that Urban Meyer was shown the door. BTW, Coach Cal at UMass and all the other stops he's been at has been nothing but gracious etc. And touching on stick with a job for that many years
he was damn lucky to be even working at that age. He wasn't a neurosurgeon or cardiologist.

(03-09-2023 05:35 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:43 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Yeah. Dunphy and Martelli were done wrong...the way their ousters were handled are public relations nightmares. Four years later, it's still hard to understand why their departures were needed. Martelli immediately pissed-on St Joe's narrative by becoming a successful assistant at Michigan; and Dunphy has gotten good reviews after taking the helm at LaSalle. The programs, players and fans at Temple and St Joe's are the bigger losers. My guess is that big money donors must have pushed those decisions (and school administrators didn't have the courage to support quality coaches).

It's easy to see how Saint Joe's had a "grass is greener" mindset.

Martelli had been there 24 years, but nine of his last 11 seasons were just bad seasons. Now, how much of that is on the coach and how much of that is just the landscape of recruiting, the depth of the A-10, also playing a Big Five schedule, etc, etc.

I don't think that much actually was on Martelli. You frequently see some of the same schools firing & hiring coaches every 6 years or so, and it's like "Maybe it's not the coach, maybe it's the school."

So either SJU was clueless and got rid of a good coach and they're probably not going to be A-10 contenders very often... OR they realized that their issues are larger than the coach, so why pay the cost of a coach 22-year veteran who's been to the Elite 8 when they can suck for cheaper, OR put Martelli's salary towards improving the program first, THEN go get a good coach later.

Agree with the “grass is greener” mindset.

Regarding the bolded, Martelli’s teams were never bad. He had double digit wins in every season at St Joe’s. In his last 11 seasons, they were mediocre in nine seasons and only made the NCAA Tournament twice. His problem was that St Joe’s boosters were spoiled by the Jameer Nelson aberration, old-school donors thought that St Joe’s was pre-ordained to always have an exceptional coach, and the AD (who was in her first year) got cornered into premature decisions.

The years after Martelli left, those were bad St Joe’s teams.

(03-08-2023 09:39 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Syracuse had better get ready to pony up their TV revenues to keep FSU, Clemson, and UNC happy...they're about to be deadweight in both major sports.

Syracuse was mediocre for the last decade of Boeheim’s tenure, and has been borderline bad the last two years. Boeheim was fired because a new coach should improve the team.

I do agree that Syracuse is basically conceding having a bad football program with how long they’ve kept Dino Babers.

(03-09-2023 09:31 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Agree with the “grass is greener” mindset.

Regarding the bolded, Martelli’s teams were never bad. He had double digit wins in every season at St Joe’s. In his last 11 seasons, they were mediocre in nine seasons and only made the NCAA Tournament twice.

THAT right there is why the A-10 struggles so much more than they need to: The definition of Mediocre for the A-10 needs to be 17-14, not 11-19.

17-14 helps the league, 11-19 crushes the league.

I get that the Big Five is a challenge. When you have to play Villanova and Temple, and neutral/road against Penn and Drexel in city matchups, it's tough to not have a bad record record in down years.

But buy eight home games vs the worst teams who will take the check if you know you're going to be looking at a 5-13 conference mark. Last season, they played Nova, Temple, Drexel, Penn... AND USC, Georgetown and Bradley OOC. That hurts the A-10.

THIS YEAR they were 16-16, 8-10 A-10 and still only played 5 OOC home games. That's not good league building.

The bottom eight of the A-10 preseason poll needs to be playing 8 or 9 home games OOC, against the easiest teams they can get, and then home/homes with mid-majors and not getting bought by multiple P5s/Gonzaga/Houston. (And I'm including my team in that. Nice win over Notre Dame, but sheesh, I didn't expect to win that game and our 14-18 record is part of the reason we're a one-bid league this year. Everyone has a job to do.

I love Phil Martelli, because he was an A-10 guy who promoted the league constantly. When Saint Joe's was undefeated, he was telling reporters "this is a really good conference, we've got four NCAA teams in the league!" for like a month. And everyone said "uh, Phil, we have three, who's the fourth?" (and thank God for Richmond sneaking in as our fourth).

And when my team got done dirty by the 2016 Selection Committee, Phil did every interview he possibly could that night blasting the committee and saying we got hosed! He was calling sports talk radio shows from East Coast to West Coast all night long just because he was just as pissed as we were. The next year, he got an ovation from our crowed and was genuinely surprised/confused by the love.


But I think the A-10 needs to get on the same page and have some tough love with regards to scheduling, sports sponsorship and even membership of some people don't get with the program.

Phil's a good coach, and a great personality for the league; but I totally understand Saint Joseph's getting the itch to try someone else. Most admins don't have the balls to say "It's not Phil's fault, it's our fault. We need to give Phil more resources he needs to compete." And that's probably why the next guy hasn't done any better.

(03-09-2023 09:44 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:39 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Syracuse had better get ready to pony up their TV revenues to keep FSU, Clemson, and UNC happy...they're about to be deadweight in both major sports.

Syracuse was mediocre for the last decade of Boeheim’s tenure, and has been borderline bad the last two years. Boeheim was fired because a new coach should improve the team.

I do agree that Syracuse is basically conceding having a bad football program with how long they’ve kept Dino Babers.

Two F4s the last decade...but yes lots mediocrity in season. The Sweet 16 and F4 runs have covered the fact they have essentially been .500% in conference play the last decade.

Conference realignment might pay you more money but sometimes it causes other issues.

Fortunately for SU...they still can draw big crowds so that will buy them some time in basketball.

Football is a different animal...lack of recruits close by really hurts. Dino needs to win 6 minimum to survive this year. I actually think he can win 7-8 this year.

(03-10-2023 07:39 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 09:44 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:39 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Syracuse had better get ready to pony up their TV revenues to keep FSU, Clemson, and UNC happy...they're about to be deadweight in both major sports.

Syracuse was mediocre for the last decade of Boeheim’s tenure, and has been borderline bad the last two years. Boeheim was fired because a new coach should improve the team.

I do agree that Syracuse is basically conceding having a bad football program with how long they’ve kept Dino Babers.

Two F4s the last decade...but yes lots mediocrity in season. The Sweet 16 and F4 runs have covered the fact they have essentially been .500% in conference play the last decade.

Conference realignment might pay you more money but sometimes it causes other issues.

Fortunately for SU...they still can draw big crowds so that will buy them some time in basketball.

Football is a different animal...lack of recruits close by really hurts. Dino needs to win 6 minimum to survive this year. I actually think he can win 7-8 this year.

They draw big crowds because there's not a lot going on in Upstate NY. Rust belt and all that. No pro teams. Not exactly BC or St. Johns or Rutgers.