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Well, we wrap up another mediocre season of NIU Women's basketball. I like the Coach a lot and was pulling for her to make headways in the MAC tourney but the program is stagnate and needs a coaching change.

It has been reported that that her contract is up after next season. So, I ask everybody would you let her go now? Or Wait until her contract expires?

Me, personally, I would let her go now, but since the program is not flush with cash, i dont know if we would be able to afford 2 Head Coaching salaries(Unless there is a buyout figure).

If we let her run out her contract, i would like to see a situation that the only way to get an extension(I am sure it would be done secretly) is NCAA tourney or bust. I think if we put any benchmark that is lower, it wouldn't justify a new contract.

Any other thoughts?
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I like Coach Carlsen a lot, too. She is a good person and is great with the team and fans. I would like to see her stay. And, I would also like to see some improvement next year and which would justify an extension.
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Agree that after 8 years of basically a .500 program Coach C should be replaced. Because she has 1 year remaining on her contract and because of the $ involved I don’t think it will be this year though. Just my view but the program needs fresh ideas/ new approach to recruiting/new assistant coaches who have different contacts etc. One thing please STF please do not give her a 5 year extension. With Davis leaving this-Koker next so without a major influx of talent this program is going to sink deeper into mediocrity.
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(03-08-2023 04:38 PM)Huskies 08 Wrote:  Agree that after 8 years of basically a .500 program Coach C should be replaced. Because she has 1 year remaining on her contract and because of the $ involved I don’t think it will be this year though. Just my view but the program needs fresh ideas/ new approach to recruiting/new assistant coaches who have different contacts etc. One thing please STF please do not give her a 5 year extension. With Davis leaving this-Koker next so without a major influx of talent this program is going to sink deeper into mediocrity.

Carlsen seems like a nice lady, has been a decent coach, but yes, what FBS-level athletic dept. in their right mind would rehire a .500 coach after 8 years to prove him/herself. She needs to go, I hope she packs Sean T Frazier in her carry-on on the way out.
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I spoke my bit at length after the Jan. 25 Kent State home game loss, so I just reiterate that she seems a nice person, good ambassador and got her team to play hard.

But like Coach Norman Dale (Gene Hackman) in "Hoosiers" said, "I want to see it on the court!"

Stats: 8 seasons. 121-117 overall. 69-66 MAC. One WNIT bid (second season, lost 1st round).

We'll see what happens next year. Carlsen's contract (sans extension) expires 6/30/2024 and her base is just over $199,000 (https://www.hr.niu.edu/president/about/t...cy.shtml).

I don't see a buyout. I see a Ray Gooden/Mark Montgomery last-year-of-contract good-bye if 2023-24 isn't some kind of big turnaround (NCAA tournament) season.

Minor lament: if it's good-bye, we'll have to wait for what a new coach does, and how long it takes.
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(03-08-2023 07:48 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  I spoke my bit at length after the Jan. 25 Kent State home game loss, so I just reiterate that she seems a nice person, good ambassador and got her team to play hard.

But like Coach Norman Dale (Gene Hackman) in "Hoosiers" said, "I want to see it on the court!"

Stats: 8 seasons. 121-117 overall. 69-66 MAC. One NWIT bid (second season, lost 1st round).

We'll see what happens next year. Carlsen's contract (sans extension) expires 6/30/2024 and her base is just over $199,000 (https://www.hr.niu.edu/president/about/t...cy.shtml).

I don't see a buyout. I see a Ray Gooden/Mark Montgomery last-year-contract good-bye if 2023-24 isn't some kind of big turnaround (NCAA tournament) season.

Minor lament: if it's good-bye, we'll have to wait for what a new coach does, and how long it takes.

Think of it this way…we are losing a star this year (Davis) and another next year (Koker)-both all MAC performers. In my opinion Carlsen will not replace those 2 with equal or better talent so the program is gonna regress/stagnate anyway so let’s do it with a new person/fresh ideas/hopefully better recruiting and results. What’s that saying about doing something the same way over and over and expecting a different result? Again just my opinion BUT 9 years (after next year) is enough for Christ sake. Time to move on.
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I (sadly) agree with you, Huskies 08. Don't forget Janae Poisson is also leaving. Koker could also hit the transfer portal for a final year (?) to get on a bigger-name team if she's planning a post-college bball career. Hopefully she stays.

Like Dog Fan (and a handful of others here), I've been a WBB fan and supporter for a looong time, and only wish the best for the program. But NIU has gotta do what it's gotta do.
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(03-08-2023 10:12 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  I (sadly) agree with you, Huskies 08. Don't forget Janae Poisson is also leaving. Koker could also hit the transfer portal for a final year (?) to get on a bigger-name team if she's planning a post-college bball career. Hopefully she stays.

Like Dog Fan (and a handful of others here), I've been a WBB fan and supporter for a looong time, and only wish the best for the program. But NIU has gotta do what it's gotta do.

You are absolutely correct about Poisson as she was also all MAC in her 6th man role. Also graduating this year is Emily Meinert. She’s not a star or all MAC but I thought in the 2nd half of the season she filled in and played really well. Good luck to the 4 seniors (Carter being the 4th).
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(03-08-2023 10:26 PM)Huskies 08 Wrote:  
(03-08-2023 10:12 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  I (sadly) agree with you, Huskies 08. Don't forget Janae Poisson is also leaving. Koker could also hit the transfer portal for a final year (?) to get on a bigger-name team if she's planning a post-college bball career. Hopefully she stays.

Like Dog Fan (and a handful of others here), I've been a WBB fan and supporter for a looong time, and only wish the best for the program. But NIU has gotta do what it's gotta do.

You are absolutely correct about Poisson as she was also all MAC in her 6th man role. Also graduating this year is Emily Meinert. She’s not a star or all MAC but I thought in the 2nd half of the season she filled in and played really well. Good luck to the 4 seniors (Carter being the 4th).
Poisson was awarded All 6th person accolades-that’s better.
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I thought about this a lot yesterday after we got torched by 3's. I think Carlson is a solid coach, and a great ambassador, but she can't coach defense, or doesn't recruit defensive players. We gave up a TON of free 3-point looks yesterday, and Kent drained 50% in the first half. I think she needs to hire an assistant who can coach defense next year if she has any hope of an extension. Without Davis and Poisson next year, we don't have a replacement for Davis, it's going to be rough. I like Koker, but while she's come back from her knee injury, she's not the same player and needs someone to help her out. We need someone who can hit consistent 3's, someone down low and a LOT of defensive help, and I don't think all of those skills are there.
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(03-09-2023 09:57 AM)UnknownScout Wrote:  I thought about this a lot yesterday after we got torched by 3's. I think Carlson is a solid coach, and a great ambassador, but she can't coach defense, or doesn't recruit defensive players. We gave up a TON of free 3-point looks yesterday, and Kent drained 50% in the first half. I think she needs to hire an assistant who can coach defense next year if she has any hope of an extension. Without Davis and Poisson next year, we don't have a replacement for Davis, it's going to be rough. I like Koker, but while she's come back from her knee injury, she's not the same player and needs someone to help her out. We need someone who can hit consistent 3's, someone down low and a LOT of defensive help, and I don't think all of those skills are there.

Bingo on the defensive side, Unknown! I watched yesterday---and to your point, they gave up a lot of OPEN 3 point looks---nobody in the face, etc.....at that level, with that size ball a good shooting team is going to hit a pretty fair percentage. Way too many open shots and in some games, way too many easy layup drives to the hoop with no rotation to help clog the lane.

Offensively, Chelby had a poor shooting first half and we just never could get back any closer than six before a 6-0 run to get it back to double digits.

In all fairness, and I have in the past pegged Chelby as trying to do too much---I give her a ton of credit from coming back as well as she did after the injury. I was shocked to see her at all early in the season. And where she may not be the same player---she (to me) was much closer to the player she was than Courtney Woods was after she returned from her injury.
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My take is how do you find a better coach for women’s basketball. It’s much more of a crapshoot than it is for men. Not many women with a great coaching track record to pick from.
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(03-09-2023 10:42 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  My take is how do you find a better coach for women’s basketball. It’s much more of a crapshoot than it is for men. Not many women with a great coaching track record to pick from.

Even if it is harder to land a high-end candidate in WBB, you can't keep a head coach that's had most of a decade to install their program and failed to create success. Has to be next man up after that long.
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(03-09-2023 10:27 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 09:57 AM)UnknownScout Wrote:  I thought about this a lot yesterday after we got torched by 3's. I think Carlson is a solid coach, and a great ambassador, but she can't coach defense, or doesn't recruit defensive players. We gave up a TON of free 3-point looks yesterday, and Kent drained 50% in the first half. I think she needs to hire an assistant who can coach defense next year if she has any hope of an extension. Without Davis and Poisson next year, we don't have a replacement for Davis, it's going to be rough. I like Koker, but while she's come back from her knee injury, she's not the same player and needs someone to help her out. We need someone who can hit consistent 3's, someone down low and a LOT of defensive help, and I don't think all of those skills are there.

Bingo on the defensive side, Unknown! I watched yesterday---and to your point, they gave up a lot of OPEN 3 point looks---nobody in the face, etc.....at that level, with that size ball a good shooting team is going to hit a pretty fair percentage. Way too many open shots and in some games, way too many easy layup drives to the hoop with no rotation to help clog the lane.

Offensively, Chelby had a poor shooting first half and we just never could get back any closer than six before a 6-0 run to get it back to double digits.

In all fairness, and I have in the past pegged Chelby as trying to do too much---I give her a ton of credit from coming back as well as she did after the injury. I was shocked to see her at all early in the season. And where she may not be the same player---she (to me) was much closer to the player she was than Courtney Woods was after she returned from her injury.

Those same questions/comments about defense and recruiting have been brought up in threads past, along with some questions about the effectiveness of Assoc. HC Adam Tandez. His website profile lists him as in charge of defense and recruiting. Not blaming; just noting the issue has been talked about here for several years.

I use Kent State as a benchmark, as they sit around the MAC's 4th-place spot. They beat NIU 3-0. In those three games, KSU hit 35 of 78 threes. NIU hit 19 of 54. This despite NIU having Koker, Jayden Marable and Janae Poisson, all good three-shooters.

The first KSU game (Jan, 25) was right about the time NIU changed offensive schemes, going from pass-pass-pass for the open shot, going inside when a lane opened, to inside-outside. KSU -- you saw it Wednesday -- went with that same pass-pass-shoot scheme they did all season, while NIU kept driving inside. Without A'Jah Davis that would have been a worse disaster.
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IF you don't fire her now or extend her contract, you have basically killed recruiting for the next year. With the portal the way it is, it is easier to bring in players now but high school recruiting is dead.
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(03-09-2023 10:42 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  My take is how do you find a better coach for women’s basketball. It’s much more of a crapshoot than it is for men. Not many women with a great coaching track record to pick from.

The same way the schools did that won their tournaments from other Mid-Major Conferences. They are in the boat but found winning coaches.
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(03-09-2023 11:56 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 10:42 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  My take is how do you find a better coach for women’s basketball. It’s much more of a crapshoot than it is for men. Not many women with a great coaching track record to pick from.

The same way the schools did that won their tournaments from other Mid-Major Conferences. They are in the boat but found winning coaches.

Exactly SB-you have to try and not just settle for being mediocre.
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(03-09-2023 10:58 AM)niu16 Wrote:  IF you don't fire her now or extend her contract, you have basically killed recruiting for the next year. With the portal the way it is, it is easier to bring in players now but high school recruiting is dead.

They already have signed 2 high school players for the 2023-24 season. My guess with Davis now leaving they would try a JUCO or transfer center for next year also. Sometimes if STF thinks it’s best for the program you just pull the plug when you have to-like he did with Monty- and worry about recruiting after the new coach takes over. Any new head coach is gonna have their own contacts/recruiting inroads.
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(03-09-2023 01:51 PM)Huskies 08 Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 10:58 AM)niu16 Wrote:  IF you don't fire her now or extend her contract, you have basically killed recruiting for the next year. With the portal the way it is, it is easier to bring in players now but high school recruiting is dead.

They already have signed 2 high school players for the 2023-24 season. My guess with Davis now leaving they would try a JUCO or transfer center for next year also. Sometimes if STF thinks it’s best for the program you just pull the plug when you have to-like he did with Monty- and worry about recruiting after the new coach takes over. Any new head coach is gonna have their own contacts/recruiting inroads.

I meant that you would kill recruiting for 24-25 if she comes back next year as a lame duck.
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(03-09-2023 03:16 PM)niu16 Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 01:51 PM)Huskies 08 Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 10:58 AM)niu16 Wrote:  IF you don't fire her now or extend her contract, you have basically killed recruiting for the next year. With the portal the way it is, it is easier to bring in players now but high school recruiting is dead.

They already have signed 2 high school players for the 2023-24 season. My guess with Davis now leaving they would try a JUCO or transfer center for next year also. Sometimes if STF thinks it’s best for the program you just pull the plug when you have to-like he did with Monty- and worry about recruiting after the new coach takes over. Any new head coach is gonna have their own contacts/recruiting inroads.

I meant that you would kill recruiting for 24-25 if she comes back next year as a lame duck.

I do believe one recruit is Coach C's daughter, so if she did not get extended, i dont thibk her daughter will enroll.
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