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Unofficial Post 2022/23 MBB Season Player Movement (coming/leaving) Thread
If this thread seems like 'one too many' I'll kill it (delete it).

My objective is to separate discussions of players from coaching, interior or 3-point defense, or offense or whatever. Those have been discussed for months in other threads.

Today, after the 2022/23 EMU MBB season is history, we are literally in the beginning of MBB free agency. Some players playing D-I MBB have already played their last game this season. Others will play their last games this week... Others get another week. Only a few get to play into the last week of March.

As discussed elsewhere, players probably will meet with Coach Heath maybe this week to discuss their future with the program. Not unrealistic to expect say a few to leave for whatever reasons.

We enter the phase where we start with the 2022/23 roster and delete any graduating players (e.g., Ballard) and players who might want to leave for PT or whatever. Then becomes the fun part: Who may transfer to EMU or sign as a h.s. or JUCO recruit?

I assume it is to a player's advantage to announce sooner rather than later. Want to be noticed by other schools.
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You never know. But I think most players of consequence are staying. Other than Emoni Bates who will be a second round NBA draft pick of course.

TyCuff: He doesn’t have a reasonable out other than sitting out a year. Which he may or may not be open to, but I assume most ”appealing” programs would prefer transfers that are immediately available. Now, here is my suggestion for TyCuff. Finish up one more year at EMU next year, graduate (it will be his 4th year, and he is a smart Cass Tech kid), and then transfer out as a grad for his final/fifth year. Hopefully for him to a major conference.

Noah: is more of an immediate flight risk because he can “hardship” back to an East Coast program. But if he can graduate in another year as well, he opens up options for himself.

Lovejoy: is another flight risk because he has a 1 free transfer still available. But he probably will want to stay another year to up his stats to appeal to the best possible program when he does enter the portal.

I respect all players, but there is no one else I am concerned about losing. We have an abundance of frontcourt players that are all serviceable but each in need of significant growth in different areas. Best way for that growth is consistent playing time. So I would rather lose a couple then to keep playing Russian roulette with their minutes on a game to game basis.

So hopefully, we have who we need next year to be a little more successful through continuity and growth and a revamp of Coach Heath’s Pro-style schemes. The players may WANT to stay thereafter with a little taste of success.
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This is going to be a busy thread.
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(03-06-2023 05:29 PM)holybovine Wrote:  This is going to be a busy thread.

Our version of "NFL Free Agency". Won't get millions of views BUT our MBB roster will probably have more changes, percentage wise, than say the Detroit Lions.

A little middle school math: If we turn over 4 scholarship players that is 4/13 or approximately 30% turnover rate. Could go somewhat higher.
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Linking verbalcommits.com transfer page (save folks the trouble of looking for a needle in a haystack. I located the haystack):

https://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2023/D1

And, as suggested, season is over for many players and time to hit the portal. The first biggie from the Mighty MAC and half of the Georgia State team. And for CMU, the nightmare we fear: Player stays for two years, becomes a star or impact player and hits the portal... What was the story on his season? Four games? (foot injury).
https://www.cm-life.com/article/2023/03/...rts_030523

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...vin-miller
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(03-07-2023 06:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Linking verbalcommits.com transfer page (save folks the trouble of looking for a needle in a haystack. I located the haystack):

https://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2023/D1

And, as suggested, season is over for many players and time to hit the portal. The first biggie from the Mighty MAC and half of the Georgia State team. And for CMU, the nightmare we fear: Player stays for two years, becomes a star or impact player and hits the portal... What was the story on his season? Four games? (foot injury).
https://www.cm-life.com/article/2023/03/...rts_030523

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...vin-miller

Smart move from Miller. Why risk coming back from a foot injury not the same level of player you were before. Someone with an extra scholarship will take a gamble that he will recover. But if he plays at CMU another year, and stinks, the best transfer prospects are gone. (akin to the rational Emoni Bates should go to the NBA this year.)
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Also, providing the 247Sports equivalent link for transfers. Take your pick between that and Verbal Commits. (Credit WoodenNickle for sharing this in the other thread. I am just moving it here)

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Basket...ferPortal/
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Interestingly, the players technically can’t enter the portal yet.
https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/nc...sfer-rules

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As of August 2022, a D1 athlete can enter the NCAA Transfer Portal only during specified time windows. They are as follows:

For winter sports, a 60-day transfer window begins with a given sport’s championship selection.
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Bracket selection is this Sunday 3/12. So curious to what Monday will bring.
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Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer
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(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer

Don't think that's true. Believe NCAA still allow transfers under hardship rule (medical care for close relative), and current school not providing course in area student-athlete wants to study.
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(03-07-2023 12:07 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer

Don't think that's true. Believe NCAA still allow transfers under hardship rule (medical care for close relative), and current school not providing course in area student-athlete wants to study.

And further believe that anyone can still transfer. Just means they have to sit out a year. That is probably a deterrent no doubt. But these guys are still young if they want to wait a year and take classes while on scholarship to just practice- that time is not wasted and just a drop in the bucket of their overall lives. I think the biggest obstacle to that is the other programs are probably only looking for those players with immediate eligibility.

That said, I hope everyone stays. And perhaps without Emoni Bates who is NBA bound.
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(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer
Yusuf previously transferred from Oakland.
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(03-07-2023 12:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 12:07 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer

Don't think that's true. Believe NCAA still allow transfers under hardship rule (medical care for close relative), and current school not providing course in area student-athlete wants to study.

And further believe that anyone can still transfer. Just means they have to sit out a year. That is probably a deterrent no doubt. But these guys are still young if they want to wait a year and take classes while on scholarship to just practice- that time is not wasted and just a drop in the bucket of their overall lives. I think the biggest obstacle to that is the other programs are probably only looking for those players with immediate eligibility.

That said, I hope everyone stays. And perhaps without Emoni Bates who is NBA bound.

Don't believe a player transferring has to sit out a year if he qualifies under the hardship exception to the rule. .
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(03-07-2023 02:33 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 12:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 12:07 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer

Don't think that's true. Believe NCAA still allow transfers under hardship rule (medical care for close relative), and current school not providing course in area student-athlete wants to study.

And further believe that anyone can still transfer. Just means they have to sit out a year. That is probably a deterrent no doubt. But these guys are still young if they want to wait a year and take classes while on scholarship to just practice- that time is not wasted and just a drop in the bucket of their overall lives. I think the biggest obstacle to that is the other programs are probably only looking for those players with immediate eligibility.

That said, I hope everyone stays. And perhaps without Emoni Bates who is NBA bound.

Don't believe a player transferring has to sit out a year if he qualifies under the hardship exception to the rule. .

Agree. That is why I started my post with “Further”. I have said in previous posts that the only player “hardship” waiver applies is mainly to Noah and a lesser extent Billingsley. Because I think you have to move within ## miles (want to say 40?) from home to care for a relative. EMU’s other former transfers Legend, Golson, TyCuff and Jihad are all locals. So their only option is to sit out… and I am not trying to give any one ideas. I hope they all stay.
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(03-07-2023 12:24 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer
Yusuf previously transferred from Oakland.

Good catch. And Colin Golson is a transfer from Siena. Also, Derek can’t transfer either, used up eligibility.
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Players need to be very careful when transferring. Mo Njie might have some regrets. If he had stayed put at EMU, he likely would've started at C all year and EMU probably would've been a better team. Instead, he went to SMU and averaged 1.6 ppg and less than 6 minutes per game. SMU is 10-21. Some of you will say that he made more with NIL, but is it worth it?
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(03-07-2023 04:32 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Players need to be very careful when transferring. Mo Njie might have some regrets. If he had stayed put at EMU, he likely would've started at C all year and EMU probably would've been a better team. Instead, he went to SMU and averaged 1.6 ppg and less than 6 minutes per game. SMU is 10-21. Some of you will say that he made more with NIL, but is it worth it?

I am not sure Mo Njie got any NIL money at SMU. Maybe just the notoriety of going to bigger school in a bigger conference. (Not sure what or how this website is tracking)
https://www.on3.com/db/mo-njie-90073/rec...1659/news/
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https://twitter.com/b_mcqueary6/status/1...60546?s=20

I like his approach. Will Emoni go - IDK. Will Emoni stay - IDK.

Emoni will (presumably) enter the NBA draft process/evaluation and see how that plays out.

The NBA (NFL, etc.) have combines, etc. so that a player can be evaluated independently of his team.

So that would make any statements on Emoni's draft status, etc. premature as was the case of EMU FB players like Crosby, and our two from 2022 FB, Jose and Sidy.

I'd think we want to know what the NBA scouts see later this spring.

EDIT: Just saw in The Athletic the latest rankings. Emoni is no longer in the the top 60 draft prospects.

The possibility of not being drafted first OR second round is a real consideration. Emoni would need to be nutty to leave IF he isn't 99% sure of being drafted.

Players should leave when they are satisfied with their draft position (e.g., lottery, 1st round, 2nd round).
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(03-09-2023 06:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/b_mcqueary6/status/1...60546?s=20

I disagree with McQueary’s secondary comment. Emoni Bates is probably very appropriately placed on the 3rd team all MAC. It is a recognition of his talent and being the 3rd leading of scorer in the conference, while conversely acknowledging it wasn’t very efficient scoring and otherwise did not affect the overall outcome towards wins/competitiveness. No need to over scrutinize Emoni, but no need to over exalt him either.

(03-09-2023 06:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  EDIT: Just saw in The Athletic the latest rankings. Emoni is no longer in the the top 60 draft prospects.

The possibility of not being drafted first OR second round is a real consideration. Emoni would need to be nutty to leave IF he isn't 99% sure of being drafted.

Players should leave when they are satisfied with their draft position (e.g., lottery, 1st round, 2nd round).

I am in the camp that it is best for Emoni Bates to move on- both for himself and the team.

As EagleKing, myself, and many others have stated, the NBA drafts potential over historical accomplishments. Why keep exposing deficiencies and such. The only real reason to play longer is to get “noticed” by the scouts, but Emoni Bates has not needed that since he was 15. If the workouts/combine give you clear indication you are not getting drafted this year, then you need to rethink your life’s plan altogether because the NBA likely will not be a part of it.

And for the team aspect… UD never really succeeded despite having Antoine Davis all 5 years. NIU only started playing well this season once Keshawn Williams got hurt. You can’t blame Davis, Williams, or Bates for their respective teams lack of success- but it seems like a strange phenomena that having one superior player doesn’t translate well to anything in terms of team success. I would say unless there was CLEAR indication he was not getting drafted this year, then maybe consider staying.
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(03-07-2023 12:24 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(03-07-2023 11:57 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Just to settle this, Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni cannot transfer
The only players that can are Kevin, Luca, Lando, Andrew, Prakash, JZ, Colin, Derek, Yusuf, and Javantae

So basically, everyone other than Noah, Tyson, Jalen, Legend, and Emoni can transfer
Yusuf previously transferred from Oakland.

Coach didn't mention that
Sorry lol
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