Now that the BIG10 & SEC have the best 32 programs I would advise the ACC, BIG12 and PAC12 to merge the best 32 remaining schools.

FSU
Clemson
Oregon
Washington
Louisville
Miami
VT
WSU
OKST
UTAH
UVA
KSU
GT
ORST
SYR
WVU
Stanford
NCSU
Baylor
Pitt
ASU
TCU
BC
Texas Tech
ISU
CAL
BYU
Duke
Wake
Colorado
Arizona
CINN
UNC
KANSAS
UCF
Houston

(03-02-2023 03:01 PM)DC Texan Wrote:  Now that the BIG10 & SEC have the best 32 programs I would advise the ACC, BIG12 and PAC12 to merge the best 32 remaining schools.

FSU
Clemson
Oregon
Washington
Louisville
Miami
VT
WSU
OKST
UTAH
UVA
KSU
GT
ORST
SYR
WVU
Stanford
NCSU
Baylor
Pitt
ASU
TCU
BC
Texas Tech
ISU
CAL
BYU
Duke
Wake
Colorado
Arizona
CINN
UNC
KANSAS
UCF
Houston

I doubt that would move the needle on payout for ACC schools, for starters. And it doesn't add any long lost rivals. And, if that's the case, why bother? And from FSU and Miami's perspective (which I can relate to the closest)...it just adds more competition for coveted FL talent. But, hey, if it's got a really short GoR and gets us out of the current deal...I'm all for it!

So let's see...

PAC - 10 schools
XII - 12 schools
ACC - 14 schools (plus Notre Dame)

Minus Notre Dame, that is 36 schools. At that point, why drop 4? You could merge into a super 4x9 conference.

Central: Baylor, BYU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
East: Boston College, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Houston, Louisville, Miami, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

5 of those teams have a very good chance at p5 membership, and several others are close. Consolidation won't occur until the P5 are done eating. If I had to guess today I'd say that 4x18 is what we end up with, but 2 x 20 and 2 x 16, or 3x24 are also on the table.

Far less than that.

The top nine in the East/West from those conferences (by performance and market size) go to NBC and ask for billion dollar contract, but settle for $720m

EAST: Notre Dame, Clemson, Fla St, Miami, Ga Tech, UNC, Syracuse, UConn, (UVA or Va Tech)
WEST: Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona St, Colorado, TCU, Houston, Kansas, (Utah or BYU)

NBC offers about half that to:
EAST: Boston College, Cincy, UCF, Memphis, USF, NC State, Pitt, Louisville, (UVA or Va Tech 2nd choice)
WEST: Cal, Oregon St, Washington St, Arizona, Air Force, SMU, Baylor, Okla St, (Utah or BYU 2nd choice)

NBC gets the P3 conference to compete with the Big Ten/SEC, AND all the rivalry games between the two conferences; for about the same price as ESPN is paying.

Now you've got competition.

Still a **** show any way you slice and dice it. Otherwise, it would have happened already. Contracts would have been torn up with new ones in place by 24'.

It would be much easier if every school just would get to where they belong.

Everyone gets paid what they deserve based on value, etc.

I would favor 4 conferences at 20-24 Teams.

P1 gets $100mm per year, per school.....example...Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, USC, ND, etc.

P2 gets $65mm ish - example....Wisconsin, Clemson, Arkansas, etc.

P3 gets $35mm ish - example.....Louisville, Kansas, TCU, Stanford,

P4 gets $20mm ish - Oregon State, Wash. State, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Wake, SDSU, Boise, Memphis, SMU, etc.

(03-02-2023 03:01 PM)DC Texan Wrote:  Now that the BIG10 & SEC have the best 32 programs I would advise the ACC, BIG12 and PAC12 to merge the best 32 remaining schools.

FSU
Clemson
Oregon
Washington
Louisville
Miami
VT
WSU
OKST
UTAH
UVA
KSU
GT
ORST
SYR
WVU
Stanford
NCSU
Baylor
Pitt
ASU
TCU
BC
Texas Tech
ISU
CAL
BYU
Duke
Wake
Colorado
Arizona
CINN
UNC
KANSAS
UCF
Houston

The ACC just adding the top 6 PAC draws to go to 20 has a higher average value than these 36.

No.

Yes. I started a new thread before I saw this one with a similar idea. The money has to be right and a unequal revenue sharing system has to be in place to keep certain schools around, in my example I used a merit based, keeping post season earnings.

(03-02-2023 03:01 PM)DC Texan Wrote:  Now that the BIG10 & SEC have the best 32 programs I would advise the ACC, BIG12 and PAC12 to merge the best 32 remaining schools.

FSU
Clemson
Oregon
Washington
Louisville
Miami
VT
WSU
OKST
UTAH
UVA
KSU
GT
ORST
SYR
WVU
Stanford
NCSU
Baylor
Pitt
ASU
TCU
BC
Texas Tech
ISU
CAL
BYU
Duke
Wake
Colorado
Arizona
CINN
UNC
KANSAS
UCF
Houston

I can't get past your first sentence. SEC/B1G having the best 32 schools. I call BS on that. I can find tons of schools in the other 3 power conferences that are a lot better than quite a few of the schools in SEC/B1G

(03-02-2023 06:36 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Yes. I started a new thread before I saw this one with a similar idea. The money has to be right and a unequal revenue sharing system has to be in place to keep certain schools around, in my example I used a merit based, keeping post season earnings.

I'll pick up your proposal and tweak it a bit. 4X9 conferences as below.

OU, UW, Utah, Stanford, ASU, WSU, AZ, Cal and Oregon St (76)
OK State, TCU, K State, Iowa St, Baylor, TTU, BYU, Colorado, and Kansas (75)
Clemson, FSU, VT, NC State, UNC, GT, Duke, Wake Forest, and Virginia (75)
Louisville, UM, WVU, Pitt, UCF, Cinci, Houston, Syracuse and BC (74)

Above are conferences for football only. Teams remain in their current conferences for all other sports.

Teams in each conference are listed in order of their 10 year average Sagarin rating, and the conference average rating is shown in parentheses at the end of each list.

The four conference champs "play off" in lieu of conference championship games, with the two winners earning the first round bye in the CFP.

(03-02-2023 08:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 06:36 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Yes. I started a new thread before I saw this one with a similar idea. The money has to be right and a unequal revenue sharing system has to be in place to keep certain schools around, in my example I used a merit based, keeping post season earnings.

I'll pick up your proposal and tweak it a bit. 4X9 conferences as below.

OU, UW, Utah, Stanford, ASU, WSU, AZ, Cal and Oregon St (76)
OK State, TCU, K State, Iowa St, Baylor, TTU, BYU, Colorado, and Kansas (75)
Clemson, FSU, VT, NC State, UNC, GT, Duke, Wake Forest, and Virginia (75)
Louisville, UM, WVU, Pitt, UCF, Cinci, Houston, Syracuse and BC (74)

Above are conferences for football only. Teams remain in their current conferences for all other sports.

Teams in each conference are listed in order of their 10 year average Sagarin rating, and the conference average rating is shown in parentheses at the end of each list.

The four conference champs "play off" in lieu of conference championship games, with the two winners earning the first round bye in the CFP.

I’d say a Championship type of game would be unnecessary if all 4 division champs play in the playoff, the team that advances farthest would be the winner.

I’m fine with that division set up as well. I figured the private schools (minus UM) would be better off competing together.

(03-02-2023 03:01 PM)DC Texan Wrote:  Now that the BIG10 & SEC have the best 32 programs I would advise the ACC, BIG12 and PAC12 to merge the best 32 remaining schools.

FSU
Clemson
Oregon
Washington
Louisville
Miami
VT
WSU
OKST
UTAH
UVA
KSU
GT
ORST
SYR
WVU
Stanford
NCSU
Baylor
Pitt
ASU
TCU
BC
Texas Tech
ISU
CAL
BYU
Duke
Wake
Colorado
Arizona
CINN
UNC
KANSAS
UCF
Houston

It's just a tough setup plus there isn't much commonality between these 3 conferences. Here's how current ones relate:

PAC - some match with B10, others with B12
B12 - don't match with B10, ACC, SEC, taking a few from PAC makes sense
ACC - some match with B10, others with SEC

Sucks for fans but just need to wait for 2036 or some sort of legal challenge.

(03-02-2023 06:55 PM)otown Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 03:01 PM)DC Texan Wrote:  Now that the BIG10 & SEC have the best 32 programs I would advise the ACC, BIG12 and PAC12 to merge the best 32 remaining schools.

FSU
Clemson
Oregon
Washington
Louisville
Miami
VT
WSU
OKST
UTAH
UVA
KSU
GT
ORST
SYR
WVU
Stanford
NCSU
Baylor
Pitt
ASU
TCU
BC
Texas Tech
ISU
CAL
BYU
Duke
Wake
Colorado
Arizona
CINN
UNC
KANSAS
UCF
Houston

I can't get past your first sentence. SEC/B1G having the best 32 schools. I call BS on that. I can find tons of schools in the other 3 power conferences that are a lot better than quite a few of the schools in SEC/B1G

Yeah, what otown posted in that first sentence isn't remotely true and it's not even debatable. I would otherwise assume he meant those conferences have the best programs on average. Which is obvious. Painfully.

(03-02-2023 03:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  So let's see...

PAC - 10 schools
XII - 12 schools
ACC - 14 schools (plus Notre Dame)

Minus Notre Dame, that is 36 schools. At that point, why drop 4? You could merge into a super 4x9 conference.

Central: Baylor, BYU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
East: Boston College, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Houston, Louisville, Miami, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

By the time things got that far along there wouldn't be 36. Or, Wash, NC, FSU, Clemson, and probably a couple/few more like Va, Stanford, UM, NC State, will be in the P2. What you are suggesting to some degree would happen as 1 of the M3 conf take in schools from the other 2. If you are a member of the M3 today you hope you are in the conference that wins that battle so you are guaranteed a spot at the table.

(03-03-2023 12:26 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 03:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  So let's see...

PAC - 10 schools
XII - 12 schools
ACC - 14 schools (plus Notre Dame)

Minus Notre Dame, that is 36 schools. At that point, why drop 4? You could merge into a super 4x9 conference.

Central: Baylor, BYU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
East: Boston College, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Houston, Louisville, Miami, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

By the time things got that far along there wouldn't be 36. Or, Wash, NC, FSU, Clemson, and probably a couple/few more like Va, Stanford, UM, NC State, will be in the P2. What you are suggesting to some degree would happen as 1 of the M3 conf take in schools from the other 2. If you are a member of the M3 today you hope you are in the conference that wins that battle so you are guaranteed a spot at the table.

Most of the M3 will be safe regardless of which conference(s) survives. Three or 4 teams at most in the PAC, XII, and ACC may need to worry whether their current conference wins, but the rest are essentially locks to be included. I imagine those schools, for the most part, know who they are. As a fan of a current non-P2 team, it concerns me not at all which conference survives. I'm still trying to figure out how one of my alma maters can squeeze into the P2.

ACC add 10 to get to 24
WVU
Cincinnati
Baylor
Kansas
TCU
Oregon
Washington
Oklahoma State
Colorado
UCF
This is Your solid Football and Basketball P3

(03-04-2023 01:14 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  ACC add 10 to get to 24
WVU
Cincinnati
Baylor
Kansas
TCU
Oregon
Washington
Oklahoma State
Colorado
UCF
This is Your solid Football and Basketball P3

If the PAC dies, the Big 12 vs ACC battle to be the last remaining non-SEC/B1G power conference will basically come down to KSU, Houston, and Iowa St. versus Wake, Syracuse, and Boston College.

As a Cincy fan, I really don't care if we're under a Big 12 or ACC banner when it's all said and done. Put me in a pod that includes Louisville, WVU, Pittsburgh, and let's ball Big East style. Hell, let's throw VTech in there.

(03-04-2023 01:14 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  ACC add 10 to get to 24
WVU
Cincinnati
Baylor
Kansas
TCU
Oregon
Washington
Oklahoma State
Colorado
UCF
This is Your solid Football and Basketball P3

Miami and FSU are standing “No” votes to adding a THIRD FL school to the ACC Frankenstein’s Monster Conference.