https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pa...-exploring

Key points:
* Oregon is "way on board" with Pac-12
* Presidents, other stakeholders don't think Kliavkoff needs to say anything
(basically noise is media driven BS)
* making the Big 12 $31.7m is considered a "layup"
* Apple/Amazon involvement is the biggest reason it's slow go
* Colorado State is an expansion candidate, 4th is unidentified
* UNLV is not (academic profile), nor are Boise State or Fresno State (similar)

My take on Colorado State as a candidate, there is probably a better candidate they are considering, and the Rams are simply a good research school with sufficient resources and in footprint who fit the bill as a complimentary add if needed.

So they think they're gonna get more per school w/ 14? ION wants tonnage? CSU, SDSU, SMU, Tulane gotta be the 4th then. If no Fresno or Boise.

(03-03-2023 08:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pa...-exploring

Key points:
* Oregon is "way on board" with Pac-12
* Presidents, other stakeholders don't think Kliavkoff needs to say anything
(basically noise is media driven BS)
* making the Big 12 $31.7m is considered a "layup"
* Apple/Amazon involvement is the biggest reason it's slow go
* Colorado State is an expansion candidate, 4th is unidentified
* UNLV is not (academic profile), nor are Boise State or Fresno State (similar)

My take on Colorado State as a candidate, there is probably a better candidate they are considering, and the Rams are simply a good research school with sufficient resources and in footprint who fit the bill as a complimentary add if needed.

I'd expect that mystery 4th team to be Rice or Tulane.

From a market perspective, I'm surprised they'd be considering CSU. They're a good fit academically and athletically, but they already have the Denver market. If they're considering CSU, then why not also New Mexico who is close to becoming AAU and gives them a new state.

We have a group of reporters saying teams are leaving and the tv deal will come up short

Another side saying the PAC-12 may expand and 31.7 will easily be surpassed.


Someone is lying or their sources aren’t reliable. We’ll find out soon enough.

(03-03-2023 08:27 PM)IM Snug Wrote:  From a market perspective, I'm surprised they'd be considering CSU. They're a good fit academically and athletically, but they already have the Denver market. If they're considering CSU, then why not also New Mexico who is close to becoming AAU and gives them a new state.

CSU only makes sense if Colorado is gone. I'd figure Air Force would be a better draw for the PAC than Colorado St.

(03-03-2023 08:30 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  We have a group of reporters saying teams are leaving and the tv deal will come up short

Another side saying the PAC-12 may expand and 31.7 will easily be surpassed.


Someone is lying or their sources aren’t reliable. We’ll find out soon enough.

This is all very entertaining to me. Part of me wants this to go on as long as possible. The Houston fan in me feels terrible for SMU and SDSU fans though. Probably twisting in the wind as this unfolds.

(03-03-2023 08:30 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  We have a group of reporters saying teams are leaving and the tv deal will come up short

Another side saying the PAC-12 may expand and 31.7 will easily be surpassed.


Someone is lying or their sources aren’t reliable. We’ll find out soon enough.

Or Apple/Amazon are willing to pay, but the exposure won't work for some schools? And conversely, the traditional TV players are not willing to pay?

It's possible that this report and "the other side" are both reporting the same facts but from different lenses.

I assume it is not Gonzaga. Rice is out.

Possible candidates:
Hawaii (football only)
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force
Nevada
Tulane
Utah State

(03-03-2023 08:43 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I assume it is not Gonzaga. Rice is out.

Possible candidates:
Hawaii (football only)
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force
Nevada
Tulane
Utah State

Academic index nixes Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah State and Wyoming
Hawaii location makes them a not a no, but a no way in hell.

None has a sufficient financial backing to consider except Tulane.

Rice probably should be added.

Gonzaga is not a football school, so not really in play.

Rice,Tulane, or Tulsa

If the Pac 12 were to add Colorado State that could destabilize the Mountain West. Suddenly, Air Force might rethink its options.

Too bad. I was kind of rooting for Fresno State to make it. I still believe adding four is more likely than zero. Zero doesn't make sense to me if they are trying to hold together as a conference. This article also seems to confirm the hangup about streaming being the primary source for games.

Looks like Rice could be chosen after all ?

(03-03-2023 08:16 PM)PredatorUTEP Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 08:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pa...-exploring

Key points:
* Oregon is "way on board" with Pac-12
* Presidents, other stakeholders don't think Kliavkoff needs to say anything
(basically noise is media driven BS)
* making the Big 12 $31.7m is considered a "layup"
* Apple/Amazon involvement is the biggest reason it's slow go
* Colorado State is an expansion candidate, 4th is unidentified
* UNLV is not (academic profile), nor are Boise State or Fresno State (similar)

My take on Colorado State as a candidate, there is probably a better candidate they are considering, and the Rams are simply a good research school with sufficient resources and in footprint who fit the bill as a complimentary add if needed.

I'd expect that mystery 4th team to be Rice or Tulane.

AFA was my first thought. If it's Tulane I'd be shocked, they've done nothing for 50 years then just had 1 good year.

(03-03-2023 09:24 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Too bad. I was kind of rooting for Fresno State to make it. I still believe adding four is more likely than zero. Zero doesn't make sense to me if they are trying to hold together as a conference. This article also seems to confirm the hangup about streaming being the primary source for games.

Isn't this what got the Pac into their current mess? Prioritizing Academics over all else?

What they should do:

SDSU
SMU

What they will do:

Rice
Tulane

A mystery 4th school! I'm surprised there isn't a poll about that yet.

I hope it's Tulane

(03-03-2023 09:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 08:43 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I assume it is not Gonzaga. Rice is out.

Possible candidates:
Hawaii (football only)
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force
Nevada
Tulane
Utah State

Academic index nixes Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah State and Wyoming
Hawaii location makes them a not a no, but a no way in hell.

None has a sufficient financial backing to consider except Tulane.

Rice probably should be added.

Gonzaga is not a football school, so not really in play.

That’s how I see it, too. Tulane is really it on that list.

I’ll be honest: I don’t get surprised very often about *who* a league might be interested in, but this Colorado State one surprised me.

I felt as if though I gamed out all of the expansion possibilities for the Big 12 back in 2021. However, I don’t think it came across my mind once that the Pac-12 would consider Colorado State. Doubling up in an existing Pac-12 market is… interesting.

If this were to happen (and I’m not convinced of such), I think we’d look back at CSU as being the last academically acceptable FBS school in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones besides SDSU. (On that front, it truly is slim pickings.) There’s an argument that if you’re going to double up in a market within the Pac-12 footprint for the long-term, it would be Colorado because it is in uber-growth mode (as fast growing as Texas and faster than Florida) along with blocking the Big 12 from getting into that market. It would be consistent with the pairs of in-state/market rivals that the Pac-12 has in Washington, Oregon, Arizona, and the Bay Area.

Putting aside SDSU (who I think is mandatory for Pac-12 expansion), I’m not feeling CSU in the same way that I do with SMU. It definitely shows how much the Pac-12 cares about academics and institutional fit if they’re considering CSU but totally putting the kabosh on UNLV (a much more obvious market-based addition).

(03-03-2023 09:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 09:24 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Too bad. I was kind of rooting for Fresno State to make it. I still believe adding four is more likely than zero. Zero doesn't make sense to me if they are trying to hold together as a conference. This article also seems to confirm the hangup about streaming being the primary source for games.

Isn't this what got the Pac into their current mess? Prioritizing Academics over all else?

What they should do:

SDSU
SMU

What they will do:

Rice
Tulane

I agree. Fresno State could have given them a solid football program. It may not have the history of a USC, but they are a winning program that could provide some quality games for the media deal.

(03-03-2023 08:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pa...-exploring

Key points:
* Oregon is "way on board" with Pac-12
* Presidents, other stakeholders don't think Kliavkoff needs to say anything
(basically noise is media driven BS)
* making the Big 12 $31.7m is considered a "layup"
* Apple/Amazon involvement is the biggest reason it's slow go
* Colorado State is an expansion candidate, 4th is unidentified
* UNLV is not (academic profile), nor are Boise State or Fresno State (similar)

My take on Colorado State as a candidate, there is probably a better candidate they are considering, and the Rams are simply a good research school with sufficient resources and in footprint who fit the bill as a complimentary add if needed.

Oh, this is interesting. The Rams have been building facilities for this day. The school is airport-friendly, has research upside, and claims a lot of alumni in Colorado cities.

Colorado State has had trouble sustaining a decent level of coaching and recruiting talent—in part because of their choice to make a priority of facilities. (USF has placed its bets similarly, and paid a similar price for it.) The idea is that, with more revenues coming in per year and construction finished, the program can address that.

A two-by-two approach has served the PAC well historically. I'd tune in to watch the Buffs and Rams butt heads.