(03-10-2023 05:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 04:26 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 01:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:11 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  If that happened, I'm out, along with a whole shite-ton of others.

Read an article yesterday that projected the BE Fox deal to increase to $8M+ at the 2025 renewal. Why not be interested for oly sports & attempt to play FB in in the SB that will likely be as competitive as the AAC over the next few seasons? That move would make a 2M+ $$ increase over the AAC thru 2032 (& won't likely increase thereafter given the CUSA schools that have come in at half price).

Then there would be exit fees for a lateral move and little revenue increase. I can understand UConn's motivations to deal with that, but I don't see it as worth it for Memphis.

We're likely to take a haircut in 2032 with the newcomers getting a full share. Something to think about. A BE membership would for sure elevate the BB program, get us a $$ bump (+ greatly increased NCAA credits) & we'd still need the FB program to play at a high level whether it's AAC or SB - and either by then could win the CFP berth. And frankly we'd be just as likely to get a move up from one as the other.

14 mouths is too many to feed. Look what happened to CUSA after they went to 14. Got passed up by the Sunbelt when CUSA used to raid the Sunbelt. AAC is likely going to fade badly.

Memphis needs to be looking for a way out now even if it means getting creative and having football and basketball in separate conferences.

Having read that BE article saying their Fox deal is likely going to $8M+ in 2026 made me a believer (& that doesn't include the substantial increase in NCAA BB credits). Especially since the SB will be creeping closer to the AAC for the CFP slot (& if SMU heads to the PAC). We could get another 1M+ playing FB in the SB

(03-10-2023 05:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 05:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 04:26 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 01:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Read an article yesterday that projected the BE Fox deal to increase to $8M+ at the 2025 renewal. Why not be interested for oly sports & attempt to play FB in in the SB that will likely be as competitive as the AAC over the next few seasons? That move would make a 2M+ $$ increase over the AAC thru 2032 (& won't likely increase thereafter given the CUSA schools that have come in at half price).

Then there would be exit fees for a lateral move and little revenue increase. I can understand UConn's motivations to deal with that, but I don't see it as worth it for Memphis.

We're likely to take a haircut in 2032 with the newcomers getting a full share. Something to think about. A BE membership would for sure elevate the BB program, get us a $$ bump (+ greatly increased NCAA credits) & we'd still need the FB program to play at a high level whether it's AAC or SB - and either by then could win the CFP berth. And frankly we'd be just as likely to get a move up from one as the other.

14 mouths is too many to feed. Look what happened to CUSA after they went to 14. Got passed up by the Sunbelt when CUSA used to raid the Sunbelt. AAC is likely going to fade badly.

Memphis needs to be looking for a way out now even if it means getting creative and having football and basketball in separate conferences.

Having read that BE article saying their Fox deal is likely going to $8M+ in 2026 made me a believer (& that doesn't include the substantial increase in NCAA BB credits). Especially since the SB will be creeping closer to the AAC for the CFP slot (& if SMU heads to the PAC). We could get another 1M+ playing FB in the SB

The problem with splitting conferences is that I think we would have zero chance of better conference affiliation. Obviously, we’ve been left behind time after time, but it’s pretty clear that realignment isn’t over yet. The PAC teams that may be looking for a new home are doing so after USC and UCLA announced they’re leaving, and the two new “flagship” teams (Wash and Oregon) are desperately trying to join them. Instability. No doubt ACC teams are considering moves as well. Clemson, Miami, FSU would be very good SEC additions.

I think we just ride it out for awhile. Hopefully, they are going to actually renovate the LB (we all want an OCS, but this isn’t a horrible plan if that’s an impossibility). Something should have been done years ago like every school that’s moving up did. But that’s the past, and a major reno is a big step.

The new AAC is a dumpster fire. No doubt, both in football and basketball, but for now I think it’s the best we can do. I’d love to play BE basketball, but not at the expense of our entire athletic program. In a few years, if it’s clear we’ll never escape this mess, I’d be in favor of looking at all options.

(03-10-2023 04:26 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 01:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:11 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  There's some logic to it given our recent FB track record & other recent FB decisions, if the $$ could be as good but I don't think that is possible..

If that happened, I'm out, along with a whole shite-ton of others.

Read an article yesterday that projected the BE Fox deal to increase to $8M+ at the 2025 renewal. Why not be interested for oly sports & attempt to play FB in in the SB that will likely be as competitive as the AAC over the next few seasons? That move would make a 2M+ $$ increase over the AAC thru 2032 (& won't likely increase thereafter given the CUSA schools that have come in at half price).

Then there would be exit fees for a lateral move and little revenue increase. I can understand UConn's motivations to deal with that, but I don't see it as worth it for Memphis.

We're likely to take a haircut in 2032 with the newcomers getting a full share. Something to think about. A BE membership would for sure elevate the BB program, get us a $$ bump (+ greatly increased NCAA credits) & we'd still need the FB program to play at a high level whether it's AAC or SB - and either by then could win the CFP berth. And frankly we'd be just as likely to get a move up from one as the other.

I gotcha and agree about keeping options open. Though with the way things are looking it might be an easier path to the CFP in the AAC than SBC, lol. For me we're starting to see what I've been waiting/hoping for. The ACC's top schools are now vocally restless. It will take a few years for that door to open completely. But it has finally, slowly started to open publicly. It's going to come down to how many ACC schools get picked up if/when that happens. 72 may be the magic number cutoff for those who make up the "haves". Right now I believe our best situation is a P2-M2 that is 20/20/16/16. It gets more questionable for us if it's three conferences of 24.

Alanda,
Listen to Ike, the ACC will probably be our conference, we’ll know when UVA AND UNC leave.
Ike’s sources say they’ll be going BIG
Then the fun begins, FSU, CLEMSON, MIAMI probably to sec, perhaps the 12 picks up Pitt.
Ike’s hearing UVA will be the first to leave.

(03-10-2023 10:00 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Alanda,
Listen to Ike, the ACC will probably be our conference, we’ll know when UVA AND UNC leave.
Ike’s sources say they’ll be going BIG
Then the fun begins, FSU, CLEMSON, MIAMI probably to sec, perhaps the 12 picks up Pitt.
Ike’s hearing UVA will be the first to leave.

IKE - you've been posting predictions for a very long time, but so far none have panned out. I still find it comical though. It's like your trying to convince us that you're able to read a crystal ball. LMAO.

(03-10-2023 06:41 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 04:26 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 01:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:11 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  If that happened, I'm out, along with a whole shite-ton of others.

Read an article yesterday that projected the BE Fox deal to increase to $8M+ at the 2025 renewal. Why not be interested for oly sports & attempt to play FB in in the SB that will likely be as competitive as the AAC over the next few seasons? That move would make a 2M+ $$ increase over the AAC thru 2032 (& won't likely increase thereafter given the CUSA schools that have come in at half price).

Then there would be exit fees for a lateral move and little revenue increase. I can understand UConn's motivations to deal with that, but I don't see it as worth it for Memphis.

We're likely to take a haircut in 2032 with the newcomers getting a full share. Something to think about. A BE membership would for sure elevate the BB program, get us a $$ bump (+ greatly increased NCAA credits) & we'd still need the FB program to play at a high level whether it's AAC or SB - and either by then could win the CFP berth. And frankly we'd be just as likely to get a move up from one as the other.

I gotcha and agree about keeping options open. Though with the way things are looking it might be an easier path to the CFP in the AAC than SBC, lol. For me we're starting to see what I've been waiting/hoping for. The ACC's top schools are now vocally restless. It will take a few years for that door to open completely. But it has finally, slowly started to open publicly. It's going to come down to how many ACC schools get picked up if/when that happens. 72 may be the magic number cutoff for those who make up the "haves". Right now I believe our best situation is a P2-M2 that is 20/20/16/16. It gets more questionable for us if it's three conferences of 24.

Obviously I hope you are right. But the ACC GOR is pretty formidable & it would take a big-time shift in ESPN thinking for them to agree to essentially pay FSU, Clemson & and maybe others to switch to the SEC at 3x the price when ESPN has their rights thru 2036 at a big discount. And it's even a bigger financial hurdle for those ACC schools to jump to the B1G with NBC/CBS. But I just hope the prospects improve & move sooner rather than later for us with some improved conference situation. The one thing under our control is winning & hope we can refocus on that.

I don't understand you people. I have absolutely no interest in playing bigleast teams. We have NOTHING in common with those schools.

(03-11-2023 04:45 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't understand you people. I have absolutely no interest in playing bigleast teams. We have NOTHING in common with those schools.

I'm not an advocate either but at $8M+ (the predicted BE/team take in 2026, we'd have to consider it if the opportunity came about - given we're stuck at $6.9M until 2032 in the AAC & then our inflated numbers all get a full share. That makes for scary prospects if we don't have other options prior.

(03-11-2023 05:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 04:45 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't understand you people. I have absolutely no interest in playing bigleast teams. We have NOTHING in common with those schools.

I'm not an advocate either but at $8M+ (the predicted BE/team take in 2026, we'd have to consider it if the opportunity came about - given we're stuck at $6.9M until 2032 in the AAC & then our inflated numbers all get a full share. That makes for scary prospects if we don't have other options prior.

14 is too many mouths to feed for a mid-major conference.

(03-11-2023 06:29 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 05:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 04:45 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't understand you people. I have absolutely no interest in playing bigleast teams. We have NOTHING in common with those schools.

I'm not an advocate either but at $8M+ (the predicted BE/team take in 2026, we'd have to consider it if the opportunity came about - given we're stuck at $6.9M until 2032 in the AAC & then our inflated numbers all get a full share. That makes for scary prospects if we don't have other options prior.

14 is too many mouths to feed for a mid-major conference.

That dosen't square with ESPN's philosophy.

(03-11-2023 06:55 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 06:29 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 05:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 04:45 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't understand you people. I have absolutely no interest in playing bigleast teams. We have NOTHING in common with those schools.

I'm not an advocate either but at $8M+ (the predicted BE/team take in 2026, we'd have to consider it if the opportunity came about - given we're stuck at $6.9M until 2032 in the AAC & then our inflated numbers all get a full share. That makes for scary prospects if we don't have other options prior.

14 is too many mouths to feed for a mid-major conference.

That dosen't square with ESPN's philosophy.

And that philosophy is to get good content on the cheap where they can.

(03-11-2023 08:48 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 06:55 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 06:29 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 05:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 04:45 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't understand you people. I have absolutely no interest in playing bigleast teams. We have NOTHING in common with those schools.

I'm not an advocate either but at $8M+ (the predicted BE/team take in 2026, we'd have to consider it if the opportunity came about - given we're stuck at $6.9M until 2032 in the AAC & then our inflated numbers all get a full share. That makes for scary prospects if we don't have other options prior.

14 is too many mouths to feed for a mid-major conference.

That dosen't square with ESPN's philosophy.

And that philosophy is to get good content on the cheap where they can.

Yeah. We live in a capitalist country. Obviously. But their philosophy seems to be that they want content. So 14 teams is not too many mouths to feed.

UConn’s move from AAC is at best a partial success as their FB program has been greatly hurt at the expense of basketball. And the basketball success is greatly due to the history they had with most of the existing BE members. If UConn would receive a full invite to ACC they would leave BE quicker than they left the AAC. As we all should know by now, FB drives the realignment bus so they are probably further from a promotion than if they had stayed in the AAC , their basketball teams dominate & FB team start making bowl games regularly. Problem for them in basketball is it appears they struggled to get the basketball talent to be consistently elite while in the AAC & can now get that talent in the BE, which made their move a basketball success.

Memphis neither has the history of playing most of the BE (sure a little history with a couple of team from the Great Midwest days) nor do we appear to need the BE banner to recruit at a high level. Memphis basketball has a lot less to gain by joining BE than UConn but FB would take the same big hit.

Memphis’ best path fwd is in the AAC (even if that means making $1-2M less a year in tv money) until the ACC has been raided and has to restock. At that time there are multiple dominoes that could fall that could lead Memphis to either ACC or B12.

(03-12-2023 10:34 AM)hk25 Wrote:  UConn’s move from AAC is at best a partial success as their FB program has been greatly hurt at the expense of basketball. And the basketball success is greatly due to the history they had with most of the existing BE members. If UConn would receive a full invite to ACC they would leave BE quicker than they left the AAC. As we all should know by now, FB drives the realignment bus so they are probably further from a promotion than if they had stayed in the AAC , their basketball teams dominate & FB team start making bowl games regularly. Problem for them in basketball is it appears they struggled to get the basketball talent to be consistently elite while in the AAC & can now get that talent in the BE, which made their move a basketball success.

Memphis neither has the history of playing most of the BE (sure a little history with a couple of team from the Great Midwest days) nor do we appear to need the BE banner to recruit at a high level. Memphis basketball has a lot less to gain by joining BE than UConn but FB would take the same big hit.

Memphis’ best path fwd is in the AAC (even if that means making $1-2M less a year in tv money) until the ACC has been raided and has to restock. At that time there are multiple dominoes that could fall that could lead Memphis to either ACC or B12.

Just my opinion, but I tend to agree with this.

(03-11-2023 11:18 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 08:48 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 06:55 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 06:29 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 05:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm not an advocate either but at $8M+ (the predicted BE/team take in 2026, we'd have to consider it if the opportunity came about - given we're stuck at $6.9M until 2032 in the AAC & then our inflated numbers all get a full share. That makes for scary prospects if we don't have other options prior.

14 is too many mouths to feed for a mid-major conference.

That dosen't square with ESPN's philosophy.

And that philosophy is to get good content on the cheap where they can.

Yeah. We live in a capitalist country. Obviously. But their philosophy seems to be that they want content. So 14 teams is not too many mouths to feed.

It is when most of those teams suck

(03-12-2023 10:34 AM)hk25 Wrote:  UConn’s move from AAC is at best a partial success as their FB program has been greatly hurt at the expense of basketball. And the basketball success is greatly due to the history they had with most of the existing BE members. If UConn would receive a full invite to ACC they would leave BE quicker than they left the AAC. As we all should know by now, FB drives the realignment bus so they are probably further from a promotion than if they had stayed in the AAC , their basketball teams dominate & FB team start making bowl games regularly. Problem for them in basketball is it appears they struggled to get the basketball talent to be consistently elite while in the AAC & can now get that talent in the BE, which made their move a basketball success.

Memphis neither has the history of playing most of the BE (sure a little history with a couple of team from the Great Midwest days) nor do we appear to need the BE banner to recruit at a high level. Memphis basketball has a lot less to gain by joining BE than UConn but FB would take the same big hit.

Memphis’ best path fwd is in the AAC (even if that means making $1-2M less a year in tv money) until the ACC has been raided and has to restock. At that time there are multiple dominoes that could fall that could lead Memphis to either ACC or B12.

I just don't see our chances of a big move to the ACC or B12 diminished by a move to the BE. We're in a great area for FB unlike UConn. If we could get FB in the SB, we might even swing the SB to the dominate G5 position for the CFP slot. So while we'd still be waiting & hoping for a move to the ACC in 2032 we could be earning an extra $3-4M/yr playing oly sports in the BE & FB in the SB (+CFP$$).

(03-12-2023 01:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 10:34 AM)hk25 Wrote:  UConn’s move from AAC is at best a partial success as their FB program has been greatly hurt at the expense of basketball. And the basketball success is greatly due to the history they had with most of the existing BE members. If UConn would receive a full invite to ACC they would leave BE quicker than they left the AAC. As we all should know by now, FB drives the realignment bus so they are probably further from a promotion than if they had stayed in the AAC , their basketball teams dominate & FB team start making bowl games regularly. Problem for them in basketball is it appears they struggled to get the basketball talent to be consistently elite while in the AAC & can now get that talent in the BE, which made their move a basketball success.

Memphis neither has the history of playing most of the BE (sure a little history with a couple of team from the Great Midwest days) nor do we appear to need the BE banner to recruit at a high level. Memphis basketball has a lot less to gain by joining BE than UConn but FB would take the same big hit.

Memphis’ best path fwd is in the AAC (even if that means making $1-2M less a year in tv money) until the ACC has been raided and has to restock. At that time there are multiple dominoes that could fall that could lead Memphis to either ACC or B12.

I just don't see our chances of a big move to the ACC or B12 diminished by a move to the BE. We're in a great area for FB unlike UConn. If we could get FB in the SB, we might even swing the SB to the dominate G5 position for the CFP slot. So while we'd still be waiting & hoping for a move to the ACC in 2032 we could be earning an extra $3-4M/yr playing oly sports in the BE & FB in the SB (+CFP$$).

We can agree to disagree. I see no benefit in BE (& a bigger risk of poorer on court performance) & SBC is likely a non starter as FB only, but yes better than independent but not as good as what we had in AAC & can have again……sorry I am not drinking the SBC = best G5 or the AAC is failing off a cliff kool-aide some posters want to post like hard facts. Truth is AAC lost some of its top but replace with top of CUSA & SBC expanded with middle of pack CUSA teams. If I remember correctly both the CUSA BB & FB championship games this year are teams coming to the AAC.

Ike’s happy to see some Dudes r understanding Ike’s hard work on the STREET
AT THIS point Ike believes the ACC will have us in the mix, depending on how the Apples Fall

(03-11-2023 09:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 06:41 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 04:26 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 02:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 01:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Read an article yesterday that projected the BE Fox deal to increase to $8M+ at the 2025 renewal. Why not be interested for oly sports & attempt to play FB in in the SB that will likely be as competitive as the AAC over the next few seasons? That move would make a 2M+ $$ increase over the AAC thru 2032 (& won't likely increase thereafter given the CUSA schools that have come in at half price).

Then there would be exit fees for a lateral move and little revenue increase. I can understand UConn's motivations to deal with that, but I don't see it as worth it for Memphis.

We're likely to take a haircut in 2032 with the newcomers getting a full share. Something to think about. A BE membership would for sure elevate the BB program, get us a $$ bump (+ greatly increased NCAA credits) & we'd still need the FB program to play at a high level whether it's AAC or SB - and either by then could win the CFP berth. And frankly we'd be just as likely to get a move up from one as the other.

I gotcha and agree about keeping options open. Though with the way things are looking it might be an easier path to the CFP in the AAC than SBC, lol. For me we're starting to see what I've been waiting/hoping for. The ACC's top schools are now vocally restless. It will take a few years for that door to open completely. But it has finally, slowly started to open publicly. It's going to come down to how many ACC schools get picked up if/when that happens. 72 may be the magic number cutoff for those who make up the "haves". Right now I believe our best situation is a P2-M2 that is 20/20/16/16. It gets more questionable for us if it's three conferences of 24.

Obviously I hope you are right. But the ACC GOR is pretty formidable & it would take a big-time shift in ESPN thinking for them to agree to essentially pay FSU, Clemson & and maybe others to switch to the SEC at 3x the price when ESPN has their rights thru 2036 at a big discount. And it's even a bigger financial hurdle for those ACC schools to jump to the B1G with NBC/CBS. But I just hope the prospects improve & move sooner rather than later for us with some improved conference situation. The one thing under our control is winning & hope we can refocus on that.

Same about winning. And yeah that GoR is strong. We probably won't see any movement from the ACC at the earliest till the other conferences media deals end in the early 2030s. Then "maybe" the numbers will be more affordable for some to make a dash.

As I've learned more about realignment over the past few years and thinking about other schools, I came to a conclusion that Bill Dazzle also said recently. We are a poor man's Louisville. Or another way to look at it Louisville is the outcome of the right decisions and we are the outcome of the wrong decisions. They put effort into their school and sports programs way sooner than we did. They already had a med school so that was a one-up on us there. Built an OCS for football in 1998. Got R1 status as early as 2008 if I saw that right back when I was looking at those things. They went to bowl games seven out of their nine years in CUSA. After missing the first two years they went on a seven-year streak. We didn't go to a bowl till our eighth year in CUSA. In the 2006 season when Coach West went 2-10, Louisville won the Orange Bowl. With Men's BB Louisville went to the NCAA tourney seven out of ten seasons in the CUSA. In the same time frame we went to three. Now thanks to that effort they are a top-20 team in revenue.

Like you said we have to focus on what we can do right now and that's consistently putting winning programs on the court/field.