I'm still of the opinion (as of a few days ago) that the Pac-12 will look very different in 2024. I now don't think Washington or Oregon will be there. I don't think they have an invite coming from the Big 10, but I think the TV situation has gotten so bad regarding money and visibility (especially) that Washington and Oregon will have no choice but to bolt for the Big 12.

The Big 12 will add four in my opinion when the Pac-12 TV deal comes back a disappointment. The other two schools I believe will receive invites are Arizona and Colorado. Utah and Arizona State will be left at the altar as they are in-state duplicates.

The Pac-12 at this point will go into survival mode. I believe Cal and Stanford don't want to lower their standards too far so they decide invite only four schools to get to 10. The four schools holding the invites are SDSU, SMU, UNLV, and Rice. The NorCal duo won't be able to stomach the academics of Fresno State or Boise State.

The AAC is at 12 at this point and decides to stay put.

The MW is down to 10 football members and 9 basketball members and also decides there are no great replacements and stays put as well.

I just see UW and Oregon sitting it out in the Pac unless the Big 10 comes calling. Same for Stanford and Cal. Maybe even if the 4 corners leave. Just add SDSU and SMU and sit at 8.

Joining the ACC makes no sense for a school who thinks they have a decent chance at the Big 10 before 2036.

I see Washington and Oregon left in the PAC. You bring back Colorado, give BYU a in-state rival with Utah and take both Arizona schools. The Arizona schools pick up Texas to recruit in and can play in California for non conference games. San Diego State might become classified as a P5 game due to this move. I don't think Big 12 needs to go after Washington or Oregon especially when they know that they'll leave if the Big Ten calls up.

There is no votes for any of the private schools in Texas.

I think for PAC 12 survial? They need to bring in the best G5 schools that do get the ratings, and those are San Diego Sate, Fresno State, Air Force and Boise State.

(03-02-2023 08:10 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I'm still of the opinion (as of a few days ago) that the Pac-12 will look very different in 2024. I now don't think Washington or Oregon will be there. I don't think they have an invite coming from the Big 10, but I think the TV situation has gotten so bad regarding money and visibility (especially) that Washington and Oregon will have no choice but to bolt for the Big 12.

The Big 12 will add four in my opinion when the Pac-12 TV deal comes back a disappointment. The other two schools I believe will receive invites are Arizona and Colorado. Utah and Arizona State will be left at the altar as they are in-state duplicates.

The Pac-12 at this point will go into survival mode. I believe Cal and Stanford don't want to lower their standards too far so they decide invite only four schools to get to 10. The four schools holding the invites are SDSU, SMU, UNLV, and Rice. The NorCal duo won't be able to stomach the academics of Fresno State or Boise State.

The AAC is at 12 at this point and decides to stay put.

The MW is down to 10 football members and 9 basketball members and also decides there are no great replacements and stays put as well.

If they're not bringing SDSU along, I think Utah gets into the B12 over AZ. It also helps distance-wise.

Then the PAC can add SDSU and UNLV for 8

Then Hawaii fb-only for 9.

And non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

That's 12 : )

All sports - WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, AZ, AZ State, UNLV, SDSU
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

(03-02-2023 10:16 PM)46566 Wrote:  I see Washington and Oregon left in the PAC. You bring back Colorado, give BYU a in-state rival with Utah and take both Arizona schools. The Arizona schools pick up Texas to recruit in and can play in California for non conference games. San Diego State might become classified as a P5 game due to this move. I don't think Big 12 needs to go after Washington or Oregon especially when they know that they'll leave if the Big Ten calls up.

Just add SDSU to the B12 instead of Utah.

All sports - Utah, WA, WSU, OR, OSU, Stanford, Cal, UNLV
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

(03-03-2023 01:48 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 08:10 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I'm still of the opinion (as of a few days ago) that the Pac-12 will look very different in 2024. I now don't think Washington or Oregon will be there. I don't think they have an invite coming from the Big 10, but I think the TV situation has gotten so bad regarding money and visibility (especially) that Washington and Oregon will have no choice but to bolt for the Big 12.

The Big 12 will add four in my opinion when the Pac-12 TV deal comes back a disappointment. The other two schools I believe will receive invites are Arizona and Colorado. Utah and Arizona State will be left at the altar as they are in-state duplicates.

The Pac-12 at this point will go into survival mode. I believe Cal and Stanford don't want to lower their standards too far so they decide invite only four schools to get to 10. The four schools holding the invites are SDSU, SMU, UNLV, and Rice. The NorCal duo won't be able to stomach the academics of Fresno State or Boise State.

The AAC is at 12 at this point and decides to stay put.

The MW is down to 10 football members and 9 basketball members and also decides there are no great replacements and stays put as well.

If they're not bringing SDSU along, I think Utah gets into the B12 over AZ. It also helps distance-wise.

Then the PAC can add SDSU and UNLV for 8

Then Hawaii fb-only for 9.

And non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

That's 12 : )

All sports - WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, AZ, AZ State, UNLV, SDSU
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

(03-02-2023 10:16 PM)46566 Wrote:  I see Washington and Oregon left in the PAC. You bring back Colorado, give BYU a in-state rival with Utah and take both Arizona schools. The Arizona schools pick up Texas to recruit in and can play in California for non conference games. San Diego State might become classified as a P5 game due to this move. I don't think Big 12 needs to go after Washington or Oregon especially when they know that they'll leave if the Big Ten calls up.

Just add SDSU to the B12 instead of Utah.

All sports - Utah, WA, WSU, OR, OSU, Stanford, Cal, UNLV
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

My thoughts are by taking Utah instead of SDSU you might make it a harder sell for the remaining PAC schools to expand into Big 12 territory with SMU. By being stuck with the northwest 6 SMU might not want to travel to the Pacific Northwest and Northern California. It might force the PAC to go after the less valuable MWC schools to rebuild with.

(03-03-2023 01:42 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:48 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 08:10 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I'm still of the opinion (as of a few days ago) that the Pac-12 will look very different in 2024. I now don't think Washington or Oregon will be there. I don't think they have an invite coming from the Big 10, but I think the TV situation has gotten so bad regarding money and visibility (especially) that Washington and Oregon will have no choice but to bolt for the Big 12.

The Big 12 will add four in my opinion when the Pac-12 TV deal comes back a disappointment. The other two schools I believe will receive invites are Arizona and Colorado. Utah and Arizona State will be left at the altar as they are in-state duplicates.

The Pac-12 at this point will go into survival mode. I believe Cal and Stanford don't want to lower their standards too far so they decide invite only four schools to get to 10. The four schools holding the invites are SDSU, SMU, UNLV, and Rice. The NorCal duo won't be able to stomach the academics of Fresno State or Boise State.

The AAC is at 12 at this point and decides to stay put.

The MW is down to 10 football members and 9 basketball members and also decides there are no great replacements and stays put as well.

If they're not bringing SDSU along, I think Utah gets into the B12 over AZ. It also helps distance-wise.

Then the PAC can add SDSU and UNLV for 8

Then Hawaii fb-only for 9.

And non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

That's 12 : )

All sports - WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, AZ, AZ State, UNLV, SDSU
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

(03-02-2023 10:16 PM)46566 Wrote:  I see Washington and Oregon left in the PAC. You bring back Colorado, give BYU a in-state rival with Utah and take both Arizona schools. The Arizona schools pick up Texas to recruit in and can play in California for non conference games. San Diego State might become classified as a P5 game due to this move. I don't think Big 12 needs to go after Washington or Oregon especially when they know that they'll leave if the Big Ten calls up.

Just add SDSU to the B12 instead of Utah.

All sports - Utah, WA, WSU, OR, OSU, Stanford, Cal, UNLV
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

My thoughts are by taking Utah instead of SDSU you might make it a harder sell for the remaining PAC schools to expand into Big 12 territory with SMU. By being stuck with the northwest 6 SMU might not want to travel to the Pacific Northwest and Northern California. It might force the PAC to go after the less valuable MWC schools to rebuild with.

I think Colorado being gone, covers that. But you have a fair point.

The reason for SDSU is the same as why the PAC is apparently currently looking at them - a southern California presence. Which is something that Colorado and the AZ schools would appear to want - recruiting reasons, etc.

That said, the B12 could add 6 instead of 4, and add AZ, AZ state, Colorado, Utah, SDSU, and USF. Which would take care of that.

Though that does leave the PAC looking for another all-sports member.

(03-03-2023 03:26 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:42 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:48 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 08:10 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I'm still of the opinion (as of a few days ago) that the Pac-12 will look very different in 2024. I now don't think Washington or Oregon will be there. I don't think they have an invite coming from the Big 10, but I think the TV situation has gotten so bad regarding money and visibility (especially) that Washington and Oregon will have no choice but to bolt for the Big 12.

The Big 12 will add four in my opinion when the Pac-12 TV deal comes back a disappointment. The other two schools I believe will receive invites are Arizona and Colorado. Utah and Arizona State will be left at the altar as they are in-state duplicates.

The Pac-12 at this point will go into survival mode. I believe Cal and Stanford don't want to lower their standards too far so they decide invite only four schools to get to 10. The four schools holding the invites are SDSU, SMU, UNLV, and Rice. The NorCal duo won't be able to stomach the academics of Fresno State or Boise State.

The AAC is at 12 at this point and decides to stay put.

The MW is down to 10 football members and 9 basketball members and also decides there are no great replacements and stays put as well.

If they're not bringing SDSU along, I think Utah gets into the B12 over AZ. It also helps distance-wise.

Then the PAC can add SDSU and UNLV for 8

Then Hawaii fb-only for 9.

And non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

That's 12 : )

All sports - WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, AZ, AZ State, UNLV, SDSU
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

(03-02-2023 10:16 PM)46566 Wrote:  I see Washington and Oregon left in the PAC. You bring back Colorado, give BYU a in-state rival with Utah and take both Arizona schools. The Arizona schools pick up Texas to recruit in and can play in California for non conference games. San Diego State might become classified as a P5 game due to this move. I don't think Big 12 needs to go after Washington or Oregon especially when they know that they'll leave if the Big Ten calls up.

Just add SDSU to the B12 instead of Utah.

All sports - Utah, WA, WSU, OR, OSU, Stanford, Cal, UNLV
Football-only - Hawaii
Non-fb - UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis

My thoughts are by taking Utah instead of SDSU you might make it a harder sell for the remaining PAC schools to expand into Big 12 territory with SMU. By being stuck with the northwest 6 SMU might not want to travel to the Pacific Northwest and Northern California. It might force the PAC to go after the less valuable MWC schools to rebuild with.

I think Colorado being gone, covers that. But you have a fair point.

The reason for SDSU is the same as why the PAC is apparently currently looking at them - a southern California presence. Which is something that Colorado and the AZ schools would appear to want - recruiting reasons, etc.

That said, the B12 could add 6 instead of 4, and add AZ, AZ state, Colorado, Utah, SDSU, and USF. Which would take care of that.

Though that does leave the PAC looking for another all-sports member.

Why not MEMPHIS being one of the 6 to BIG12

(03-03-2023 03:59 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 03:26 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  ...
the B12 could add 6 instead of 4, and add AZ, AZ state, Colorado, Utah, SDSU, and USF.
...

Why not MEMPHIS being one of the 6 to BIG12

Sure, but then, who do you drop?

Of course, there's always this for the B12 : )

(03-01-2023 11:17 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  ...
B10 then adds Kansas
...
B12 adds USF, Boise State, Fresno State, SDSU, AZ, AZ state, WSU, OSU, Utah, SMU, Rice, Tulane, and Memphis. Plus Gonzaga for non-fb - for 24+Gonzaga
...

(03-03-2023 04:10 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 03:59 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 03:26 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  ...
the B12 could add 6 instead of 4, and add AZ, AZ state, Colorado, Utah, SDSU, and USF.
...

Why not MEMPHIS being one of the 6 to BIG12

Sure, but then, who do you drop?

Of course, there's always this for the B12 : )

(03-01-2023 11:17 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  ...
B10 then adds Kansas
...
B12 adds USF, Boise State, Fresno State, SDSU, AZ, AZ state, WSU, OSU, Utah, SMU, Rice, Tulane, and Memphis. Plus Gonzaga for non-fb - for 24+Gonzaga
...

You drop USF----add MEMPHIS