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RE: ACC & Pac12 exploring merger in 5 years: Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference
(03-07-2023 04:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I’m having a hard time seeing this work. Perhaps the Pac should consider regrouping into a non football conference, add Gonzaga, St. Mary and others. This would be easier for the other conferences to work with especially if it’s every man for himself.

I think there should be a group out west ready to go all in with All Sports (most of Pac 12, MW couple teams) then like you said have the "Big East" of the West...and the Stanfords, Gonzagas of the world just slide into that going forward.
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So I'm wondering if its more likely than not a scheduling alliance and shared tv channel on ESPN, and owned by 3 parties (ESPN, ACC, PAC) and dissolve PAC tv channel. Keep 2 conferences separate and alive.....

I wonder if they could use a couple of the alliance games tagged as conference games? So lets say UofL at Utah and Arizona State at UofL are alliance conference games, but going towards their own conference standings... Kinda wonder this as we've seen UNC play Wake as a non con game...this could maybe a reversal of that. If everyone in both conferences are on board with it, would the playoff committee, others approve/need to approve that too.
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(03-09-2023 08:57 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  1. I don't think there's any fear that adding Pac-10 content to the ACCN would reduce it's value. The most valuable thing is live sports, and the most valuable live sports are football and basketball. Adding Pac-10 content might bump some low-ratings content off ACCN (and over to ACCNx), but there would be more football, more basketball than ever.

2. As for the football conference championships -- hard NO on merging them. Why give up a likely autobid? Same goes for the basketball tournaments.

I've wondered for three years now if we're not moving toward the formation of large media negotiation collectives that speak for more than one conference. There's a need for standardisation without triggering antitrust action.
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RE: ACC & Pac12 exploring merger in 5 years: Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference
Would it be possible to create new content?. Anything preventing an ACC vs PAC Spring challenge. With traditional spring games replaced by ACC vs PAC scrimmages. Events take place in off season, but provide a more interesting spring football fix.
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RE: ACC & Pac12 exploring merger in 5 years: Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference
(03-09-2023 04:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 01:09 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(03-08-2023 11:30 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Looks like Forbes published another article on this topic.

LONG SHOT: ESPN, ACC, And Pac-12 Talked About A Joint TV Deal. Could It Really Happen?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zengernews/...appen/amp/

If they’re indeed working together to form some kind of partnership, it’s wise for both of them to do so. The ACC needs the PAC 12 to be healthy. If the PAC12 collapses, the Big12 and the BigTen would likely get the lion’s share of the PAC 12’s pieces, and the ACC would probably get little or nothing from it. Those conferences would get stronger and the ACC would in turn become more vulnerable to expansion and realignment from other conferences, particularly from the SEC. The partnership strengthens them and keeps the Big12 in the rear view mirror. That’s all my opinion of course as an observer on the sidelines watching this play out.

So how would a merger play out? Merge the football schools into a 26-team behemoth, the Pac-12 crown 1 winner based on conference play and the ACC-14 do the same and then the 2 play in a championship game? Congratulations, you've now eliminated a Championship game and the ACCCG does pretty well in Charlotte. That's a problem not a solution.

Getting the Pac-12 network programming could be a boon to the ACCN but those games are tied up for another 1/2 decade or so. I'm not really sure when the PACN contracts expire but I believe the PAC-12 media package would be closer to $40 mil instead of $22 mil per team if those games were available but due to contracts, those games are obligated to the PACN for the measly $1-2 mil a year per team pittance that the PAC-12 receives.

what PAC12n contracts are you talking about?

the PAC12n is about to be dead and gone there are no contracts of any meaning

if you mean contracts with cable and SAT MSOs they would love to dump the PAC12n and the PAC12n can go away anytime it wishes and disappear from those systems

if you mean some contract between the PAC12 and the PAC12n well they are for all purposes the same thing......if the PAC 12 wants to sell off that content then the PAC12n is over and done
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(03-09-2023 10:16 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  So I'm wondering if its more likely than not a scheduling alliance and shared tv channel on ESPN, and owned by 3 parties (ESPN, ACC, PAC) and dissolve PAC tv channel. Keep 2 conferences separate and alive.....

I wonder if they could use a couple of the alliance games tagged as conference games? So lets say UofL at Utah and Arizona State at UofL are alliance conference games, but going towards their own conference standings... Kinda wonder this as we've seen UNC play Wake as a non con game...this could maybe a reversal of that. If everyone in both conferences are on board with it, would the playoff committee, others approve/need to approve that too.

I agree...if this happens it should be more of a loose confederation. No more than one home and one away game vs the PAC schools...maybe even one game in the years ND is on the schedule. For Basketball and some other team sports...get a special slot for a Fri/Sun or Thur/Sat. A traveling team could play two road games over a long weekend. For Baseball: northern teams play south or west early and southern/west teams play north in April.
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(03-09-2023 05:29 AM)green Wrote:  
Quote:There would not be a merger or an alliance but a proposed partnership where the ESPN-owned ACC Network — or a renamed entity combining the two leagues — has exclusive rights to air Pac-12 games to West Coast through multiple ESPN cable providers. The deal between the Pac-12 and the ACC would be a media rights agreement and likely take the place of the existing Pac-12 Network.

Why would ESPN want to help the ACC and Pac-12 on a new network?

Money and the ability to stabilize two of its main brands is the answer.

The ACC Network has at present about 48 million subscribers and could benefit from the number of homes they could add in Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington.

In the states where there is an ACC team the network is getting about $2 per month from its cable deals through ESPN. Put the Pac teams in there and the fees will go a bit higher while adding new subs producing some impressive dollar per month figures.

so, whatever profits would accrue ...
divvied up 25 ways ...
not to mention reduced airtime for your school ...
quibbling over semantics ...

NOT JUST NO BUT HELL NO

I think with a merger the PAC12 network could convert to ACCN2.
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(03-09-2023 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 05:29 AM)green Wrote:  
Quote:There would not be a merger or an alliance but a proposed partnership where the ESPN-owned ACC Network — or a renamed entity combining the two leagues — has exclusive rights to air Pac-12 games to West Coast through multiple ESPN cable providers. The deal between the Pac-12 and the ACC would be a media rights agreement and likely take the place of the existing Pac-12 Network.

Why would ESPN want to help the ACC and Pac-12 on a new network?

Money and the ability to stabilize two of its main brands is the answer.

The ACC Network has at present about 48 million subscribers and could benefit from the number of homes they could add in Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington.

In the states where there is an ACC team the network is getting about $2 per month from its cable deals through ESPN. Put the Pac teams in there and the fees will go a bit higher while adding new subs producing some impressive dollar per month figures.

so, whatever profits would accrue ...
divvied up 25 ways ...
not to mention reduced airtime for your school ...
quibbling over semantics ...

NOT JUST NO BUT HELL NO

I think with a merger the PAC12 network could convert to ACCN2.

a few more bucks ...
a lot less exposure ...
sharing the stage ...

BRAND DILUTION
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(03-09-2023 01:56 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Would it be possible to create new content?. Anything preventing an ACC vs PAC Spring challenge. With traditional spring games replaced by ACC vs PAC scrimmages. Events take place in off season, but provide a more interesting spring football fix.

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(03-09-2023 09:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 01:56 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Would it be possible to create new content?. Anything preventing an ACC vs PAC Spring challenge. With traditional spring games replaced by ACC vs PAC scrimmages. Events take place in off season, but provide a more interesting spring football fix.

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(03-09-2023 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 05:29 AM)green Wrote:  
Quote:There would not be a merger or an alliance but a proposed partnership where the ESPN-owned ACC Network — or a renamed entity combining the two leagues — has exclusive rights to air Pac-12 games to West Coast through multiple ESPN cable providers. The deal between the Pac-12 and the ACC would be a media rights agreement and likely take the place of the existing Pac-12 Network.

Why would ESPN want to help the ACC and Pac-12 on a new network?

Money and the ability to stabilize two of its main brands is the answer.

The ACC Network has at present about 48 million subscribers and could benefit from the number of homes they could add in Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington.

In the states where there is an ACC team the network is getting about $2 per month from its cable deals through ESPN. Put the Pac teams in there and the fees will go a bit higher while adding new subs producing some impressive dollar per month figures.

so, whatever profits would accrue ...
divvied up 25 ways ...
not to mention reduced airtime for your school ...
quibbling over semantics ...

NOT JUST NO BUT HELL NO

I think with a merger the PAC12 network could convert to ACCN2.

or accn extra like sec
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Do we think Phillips will get to Football media days this summer with nothing new to tell us? Or is he quiet as a mouse because actually putting something like this ACC/PAC alliance together, to be announced in July?

They could line up a football and basketball alliance for tv mutual contract...

We've been hearing ACC ideas of having an earlier in regular season tourney to eliminate number of teams eligible for post season ACC tourney..

Could an alliance with PAC result in at least games throughout each sport during regular season? Maybe even something like a 4 or 6 team double/triple header in same location on Friday & Saturday in football and 8 teamer in basketball. Could bring multiple conferences and our fanbases together in October for football and then in late January for basketball. Out of box ideas like this could be adopted and paid for by ESPN and make it fun for fans to travel again for better attendance numbers.
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(03-22-2023 11:24 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Do we think Phillips will get to Football media days this summer with nothing new to tell us? Or is he quiet as a mouse because actually putting something like this ACC/PAC alliance together, to be announced in July?

They could line up a football and basketball alliance for tv mutual contract...

We've been hearing ACC ideas of having an earlier in regular season tourney to eliminate number of teams eligible for post season ACC tourney..

Could an alliance with PAC result in at least games throughout each sport during regular season? Maybe even something like a 4 or 6 team double/triple header in same location on Friday & Saturday in football and 8 teamer in basketball. Could bring multiple conferences and our fanbases together in October for football and then in late January for basketball. Out of box ideas like this could be adopted and paid for by ESPN and make it fun for fans to travel again for better attendance numbers.

If the do this, they should have it in Los Angeles one year and in Baltimore another.
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(03-22-2023 01:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-22-2023 11:24 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Do we think Phillips will get to Football media days this summer with nothing new to tell us? Or is he quiet as a mouse because actually putting something like this ACC/PAC alliance together, to be announced in July?

They could line up a football and basketball alliance for tv mutual contract...

We've been hearing ACC ideas of having an earlier in regular season tourney to eliminate number of teams eligible for post season ACC tourney..

Could an alliance with PAC result in at least games throughout each sport during regular season? Maybe even something like a 4 or 6 team double/triple header in same location on Friday & Saturday in football and 8 teamer in basketball. Could bring multiple conferences and our fanbases together in October for football and then in late January for basketball. Out of box ideas like this could be adopted and paid for by ESPN and make it fun for fans to travel again for better attendance numbers.

If the do this, they should have it in Los Angeles one year and in Baltimore another.
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I see what you're doing, and it's funny.

But ... Vegas baby, Vegas! would be my west coast preference.

And DC is much closer to U of Md, and could be an east coast option.

And they're both "neutral" sites.



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(03-22-2023 03:12 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(03-22-2023 01:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-22-2023 11:24 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Do we think Phillips will get to Football media days this summer with nothing new to tell us? Or is he quiet as a mouse because actually putting something like this ACC/PAC alliance together, to be announced in July?

They could line up a football and basketball alliance for tv mutual contract...

We've been hearing ACC ideas of having an earlier in regular season tourney to eliminate number of teams eligible for post season ACC tourney..

Could an alliance with PAC result in at least games throughout each sport during regular season? Maybe even something like a 4 or 6 team double/triple header in same location on Friday & Saturday in football and 8 teamer in basketball. Could bring multiple conferences and our fanbases together in October for football and then in late January for basketball. Out of box ideas like this could be adopted and paid for by ESPN and make it fun for fans to travel again for better attendance numbers.

If the do this, they should have it in Los Angeles one year and in Baltimore another.
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I see what you're doing, and it's funny.

But ... Vegas baby, Vegas! would be my west coast preference.

And DC is much closer to U of Md, and could be an east coast option.

And they're both "neutral" sites.



07-coffee3

Washington, DC is part of the ACC's regular rotation for the MBB Tournament already. If we had one of those preseason tournaments with the Pac-12, I could see DC and either LA or Las Vegas -- but count on it, Pac-12 schools want to maintain a presence in LA!
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