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News Zelensky slams Americans who don't want to give more to Ukraine
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RE: Zelensky slams Americans who don't want to give more to Ukraine
Pledges can be taken back. DC does it ALL the time.
02-25-2023 08:54 AM
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RE: Zelensky slams Americans who don't want to give more to Ukraine
Zelensky knows he has to grab all the money for Ukraine he can, and quick.

Why? Not because it will run out or because we start spending it more wisely, but because Ukraine is getting boring to people, there isn’t enough news to report on it, and Americans demand better entertainment than a drawn out conflict provides.

We need a new war. A new conflict. New drama. And we see it’s all pivoting to a returned obsession with China anyway. And we see in the news already that every week it’s something else regarding China. The balloons got boring, so we send more planes to their border to force a reaction yesterday.

If it isn’t new, slightly chaotic, ongoing and ever unfolding, people don’t get invested in it. And you see that on this board very prominently. Many of the more gung ho voices supporting Zelensky and Ukraine have now become complaints that “we knew he was a crook all along” and wondering why we are spending all this money there in the first place. Not everyone, but it’s a noticeable shift nonetheless. Lawmakers who rushed aid out the door in the beginning now reluctantly do so. The news cycle moves on.

Look at any soap opera, any TV drama, any ongoing series. They all need change, continuing plot development, new characters being introduced, new twists. Ukraine is not providing any of that anymore. Moldova is a bit character that will be written off the show after another episode or two. They may become an irregular character who pops back up once in a while, like the child who is away at college now-they make the rare appearance but aren’t really part of the main story. Moldova will never captivate people like a China conflict will.
(This post was last modified: 02-25-2023 05:02 PM by Todor.)
02-25-2023 09:38 AM
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RE: Zelensky slams Americans who don't want to give more to Ukraine
(02-25-2023 08:28 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(02-24-2023 07:22 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I feel terrible for the Ukraine people but I've about had enough of this guy. It looks however to be very little to stop this as long as Biden in in the WH and the issue has enough votes in Congress. I'm kinda thinking that I'd rather see us go with full on support in a a proxy war with Russia and end this asap than drag this out for another year or two. I dunno...This is damn mess.

This ^^^^^^^^

Make Russia start looking like Ukraine and see what stomach they have for this.

I'd love to see the Ukraine army go on the offensive..take control of some Russian ground and knock out some infrastructure. The entire dynamic would flip from invasion of Ukraine to protecting the homeland. Putin would schit his pants.
02-25-2023 09:48 AM
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(02-24-2023 05:02 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

I can live with that.
02-25-2023 09:22 PM
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RE: Zelensky slams Americans who don't want to give more to Ukraine
From CDR Salamander at cdrsalamander.blogspot.com:

Quote:The three day war Russia thought it started a year ago is still going strong.

There are a lot of "One Year" think-pieces out there that are long and detailed. I want to keep things short.

On the day the war started I made 7-points. Let's review them and see how I did back on 24 FEB 22.

1. The remaining delusions about the post-Cold War security arrangements in Europe should be firmly buried. History is back and she has her Festivus pole front and center. She has some issues with us, and we’re going to hear about it.

This continues to get firmer and displayed in stark relief. All the "offsets" and "transformations" and "war is new" snake oil sold the last few decades really should not be allowed to have any public space besides to say, "I was wrong." Rest assured, that won't stop them - but the issues we raised over the almost 18-yrs of this blog and 14-yrs of the Midrats Podcast remain true. From the shallow magazines to the fact you never have enough large caliber guns to no war is short ... we - and a lot of other people tut-tut'd for years - were correct.

2. NATO has a German problem. While all the “right people” will not shut up about how wonderful former Chancellor Angela Merkle was, people need to be very clear eyed about what a complete disaster she and the German political class have been over the last two decades. They have starved what should be continental European NATO’s most potent military into irrelevance. Her disastrous feel-good, ethno-masochistic immigration policy weakened European cohesion and fed the worst parts of European political subcultures. Yes, she made a lot of well meaning Germans feel good about themselves, but it was a sugar-high that rotted the teeth and poisoned the national metabolism. While willing to defend Europe to the last Pole and Germany to the last American, she decided to preen in her neo-pagan EuroGreen superiority onomastic politics by ditching clean nuclear power and through the complete corruption of her elite, shacked herself to Russian energy oligarchs and thus the Kremlin. Germany needs to fix herself, and NATO needs to work around her and punish her until she starts to behave like a constructive 21st Century security partner.

Germany has made great progress, but is being dragged kicking and screaming in to the 21st Century.

3. As our friend Jerry Hendrix pointed out yesterday, the moral leaders in NATO right now are the Baltic Republics and I would add Visegrad nations. You can throw Romania in there too. France will go hot and cold as she fights her desire to do the right thing for European security while at the same time nurse her 1,000 year old drive to be the premier leader of Western Europe. Serious but weaker nations will lean on a reluctant USA and limited United Kingdom … simply because - to be frank - much of the rest of the alliance is not that capable.

I think this graph tells that story well;

(Go to page to see graph. It shows that as a percent of GDP, Latvia is sending 1.01%, Estonia 0.95%, Poland 0.60%, Lithuania 0.52%, Slovakia 0.33%, Czechia 0.25%, USA 0.25%, Britain 0.24%, Austria 0.23%, Denmark 0.22% )

The front-line nations are putting their money where their existential threat is.

4. In line with #1 above, it is time for Finland at least, and probably Sweden, to join NATO. They both have a long and bloody history with the Russians and should see clearly what time it is.

Another check.

5. Ukraine waited too long to rearm. Weakened and distracted by a corrupt elite, the good parts of her nation could not get ready fast enough. After the first Russo-Ukraine war of 2014 she should have modeled the armed neutrality of Switzerland with a civilian populace trained and armed to the teeth. As we’ve discussed here before with the former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact nations, every village needs a few ATGM militia teams trained to slow any advance through their patch of land. If Ukraine can, in whole or part, survive without vassalhood, perhaps they could get there. They can only get there if they build a nation people are willing to fight and die for.

Everyone is rediscovering the utility of a good military-industrial complex that can quickly grow to scale. Amazing what the green-eye-shade accounts forced those who actually are supposed to study war to believe.

6. Remember, the Russians hold the Presidency of the UN Security Council. The UN is a joke. OSCE is a joke. The EU is little more than a nest of rent-seeking, clock-watching grift-fest. NATO is, well, dysfunctional but better than nothing. Nations must take ownership of their own security. Yes, Taiwan and Japan I am talking to you. Study history. Be ready.

Well, this was kind of a lame point. The UN is, well, lame. However the end of the point is solid. We'll call it a draw.

7. Is everyone clear what Russia is now? She has a small GDP and apocalyptic demographics, but she is taking what she has and is invading her neighbors, killing people, and taking land. If your nation, company, or neighbor is buying anything from them – they are paying for this military adventurism. If the press wants to do its job, start pulling that string.

Not enough thread pulling on the economic support for Russia around the globe. Make no mistake, a lot of the worst people are making money doing business with Russia. That money buys influence and silence.

I think he is pretty much on point. Comments?
02-26-2023 10:09 AM
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