Would it take unequal revenue sharing? A ND type of Independent media deal? Is it worth dealing with PSU?

act of God

The B1G and Fox to agree with a Swap to the ACC and ESPN, NBC to get ND full time in the B1G ! None of which likely will happen

(02-15-2023 10:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The B1G and Fox to agree with a Swap to the ACC and ESPN, NBC to get ND full time in the B1G ! None of which likely will happen

I could be wrong, but I did not think the BigTen had a GoR, maybe an exit fee.

I can think of a bunch of reason$ why they would not swap conferences, but I’ll give a few reasons why they would consider: If the ACC is easier to win, they would have an easier access into the playoffs. Being reunited with SU and Pitt. Wants to improve their basketball reputation.

I ask myself that all the time when I think of Salma Hayek. Unfortunately she is a movie star who is married to a billionaire and I am just a regular schmuck.

Penn State is not going to leave the riches of the B10 to join the ACC.

The ACC could offer Penn State an offensive amount of unequal revenue share through end of GoR. Maybe guaranteed $100M/year to kick off the negotiations. They'd still have to consider the risk of not getting invited back to the B1G in '36...and would likely need more to ponder the idea further. And 75% of the conference would have to be excited enough to lose money in order to have the Nitts in the conference. And not further tick off any of the high value brands (who would also lose financially) who might then fight the GoR and have a pretty solid case.

sadly, Corrigan probably missed the opportunity in the 80s. The Tobacco Road goons would have vetoed it anyway, though.

Agreed, it would take Divine Intervention.

A member of a P2 conference, who has been a member for 30 years, switching to a non-P2 conference (likely for less money) ???

Upon reflection, (and at risk of blasphemy), I am not sure Divine Intervention would be enough.

(02-15-2023 12:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Agreed, it would take Divine Intervention.

A member of a P2 conference, who has been a member for 30 years, switching to a non-P2 conference (likely for less money) ???

Upon reflection, (and at risk of blasphemy), I am not sure Divine Intervention would be enough.

There are some things not even God can do.

(02-15-2023 01:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-15-2023 12:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Agreed, it would take Divine Intervention.

A member of a P2 conference, who has been a member for 30 years, switching to a non-P2 conference (likely for less money) ???

Upon reflection, (and at risk of blasphemy), I am not sure Divine Intervention would be enough.

There are some things not even God can do.

God certainly COULD move Penn State to the ACC, but he's too merciful for that.

(02-15-2023 10:24 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(02-15-2023 10:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The B1G and Fox to agree with a Swap to the ACC and ESPN, NBC to get ND full time in the B1G ! None of which likely will happen

I could be wrong, but I did not think the BigTen had a GoR, maybe an exit fee.

I can think of a bunch of reason$ why they would not swap conferences, but I’ll give a few reasons why they would consider: If the ACC is easier to win, they would have an easier access into the playoffs. Being reunited with SU and Pitt. Wants to improve their basketball reputation.

1) Does Penn State have a basketball team? I’ve lived in Pennsylvania for decades and have never seen, nor talked, to anyone about PSU basketball.

2) The B1G does have a GOR…IIRC, it’s associated with BTN content. The B1G was/is not foolish enough to seek long-term agreements for their Tier 1 & 2 media deals.

Pencils down.

Correct answer was: time machine

Partial credit will be given for: divine act

How about a toxic rail accident that prevented travel between Ohio and Pennsylvania?

Did the ACC do that?

(02-16-2023 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  How about a toxic rail accident that prevented travel between Ohio and Pennsylvania?

Did the ACC do that?

I cannot confirm or deny knowledge of said “rail accident”.

That would be forward thinking. Unfortunately US rail infrastructure is in such a state that Napoleon's quote applies.

" Do not attribute to malice, that which can also be explained by incompetence."

The closest it came was when the Big Ten was actually discussing kicking PSU out shortly after news of their child sex abuse scandal broke.

It is still very much still cult like there, with deniers and Paterno apologists still raging about. So sadly, it may be just a matter of time until there is another opportunity to add some yuck factor to the conference.

Most conference moves are due to a set of push and pull factors.

What would cause PSU to sour again on the Big 10? Clearly only something that harms PSU football.

You could make the case that the current divisional alignment harms PSU's chances to play for the B10 title. The top four programs in the East is worse than the situation was in the ACC Atlantic or SEC West.

The west coast addition drops PSU down to 4th in the B10 pecking order behind Ohio State, Michigan, and USC. In fact they may be headed to quasi permanent second tier in the league with Michigan State, Wisky, and UCLA. Is that an issue for them?

B10 Tier 1 - OSU, Michigan, USC
B10 T2 - PSU, Wisky, UCLA
B10 T3 - Purdue, Minn, Neb, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, NW
B10 T4 - MD, Minn, Rutgers

When it comes to B10 expansion you have to ask yourself what do T3 and Y4 get out of Washington or Oregon. I would assert they get nothing, just a trip to Seattle or Eugene and a likely loss.

I would suggest that tier 3 in the Big 10 get more out of adding Syracuse, Kansas, VT, or UVa - the addition of a closer program where they can be fully competitive in football and basketball.

But specifically regarding PSU, I think this is their ideal division:

Miami, West Va, Pitt, Syracuse, and MD. This allows them to be the king of the Northeastern US.

But ESPN has to PAY for it and the ACC has to look something like:

North - Syracuse, Pitt, PSU, MD, Miami, West Va
East - UVa, BC, UNC, NCSU, CU, SC
South - VT, Louis, Duke, WF, GT, FSU,

(02-19-2023 04:21 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  North - Syracuse, Pitt, PSU, MD, Miami, West Va
East - UVa, BC, UNC, NCSU, CU, SC
South - VT, Louis, Duke, WF, GT, FSU,

Yes, please!

Too bad it will never happen.

(02-19-2023 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 04:21 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  North - Syracuse, Pitt, PSU, MD, Miami, West Va
East - UVa, BC, UNC, NCSU, CU, SC
South - VT, Louis, Duke, WF, GT, FSU,

Yes, please!

Too bad it will never happen.

Sure it will, just not in the next 30 or so years.

(02-19-2023 05:57 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 04:21 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  North - Syracuse, Pitt, PSU, MD, Miami, West Va
East - UVa, BC, UNC, NCSU, CU, SC
South - VT, Louis, Duke, WF, GT, FSU,

Yes, please!

Too bad it will never happen.

Sure it will, just not in the next 30 or so years.

And then only if the league gives Penn State two shares of league revenue while everyone else gets one share.