There is a pending project that needs a little more financing before ground is broken, but secured naming rights for half the cost from Kroger. It should be a go soon. Indoor baseball/softball training facility.
Here's the announcement video from 3 years ago ... before Kroger had stepped up.
(02-15-2023 09:09 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: Bobby Dodd Stadium needs to be completely redone. The East Stands are not allowed to go over Techwood Drive. The West Stands are not ADA compliant and are thus frozen in time. The North Stands look hideous and provide generous seating capacity in the worst part of the stadium for actually taking in the game. It's just a mess. Given the buildings hugging up to and in some cases built literally into Bobby Dodd Stadium (Wardlaw, Edge, Career Center, Bill Moore Student Success Center), you're looking at redoing not just a stadium but a cool half dozen buildings even if you kept somehow the existing site footprint.
If they were going to do it properly, they'd probably raze all the old freshman dorms and Brittain Dining Hall immediately adjacent Bobby Dodd Stadium, and then reroute the path of Techwood Drive to meet Williams Street NW at a roundabout. You're talking around a billion dollars (!!!!) all in to do that. That sounds like a lot of money, but ESPN hands an extra billion dollars to the SEC teams compared to the ACC teams every 20 years give or take.
It's just 1.4 miles from GIT to Mercedez Benz Stadium on foot - est. 29 min. walk, according to Google Maps [LINK].
Maybe the solution is to simply play all of your games there?
Pittsburgh shows what happens when you move off campus. The Benz would be a downgrade in experience and atmosphere and attendance. It's nice to be able to use it to gauge market support for box seating at BDS though, as there is a decade+ backlog on luxury boxes at BDS.
Also on a gameday Saturday that 1.4m will probably take you an additional hour+ of car time in and out.
On-campus is the way to go...if you can do it.
GT stadium is a clusterfluck of misapplied sections of suck but at least it is on campus. They need to bite the bullet and do a total teardown and build a compact 40-45K stadium.
Yeah, Miami doesn't have that option unless they want to bulldoze half of campus and go all-in on football.
Hard Rock is so easy to get to from the turnpike and 95 . Right at the Dade Broward county line. Farther down to Coral Gables traffic is a cluster you know what. Back in the 60’s We lived in Carol City and moved to Miramar before moving back to Louisville. I was down there last September/October. Both of Our old houses were exactly 2.5 miles each from Hard Rock but looking around the old neighborhoods I sadly don’t think I ever would ride My bike again from one neighborhood to the other .
(04-21-2023 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote: 12.6 Scholies for men's lacrosse. VTech is missing out...great spring sport that is very watchable on TV.
I know. Men's Lacrosse would be the first sport I would add. The fact that the ACC is by far the best Men's Lacrosse league in creation makes it even worse.
(04-21-2023 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote: 12.6 Scholies for men's lacrosse. VTech is missing out...great spring sport that is very watchable on TV.
I know. Men's Lacrosse would be the first sport I would add. The fact that the ACC is by far the best Men's Lacrosse league in creation makes it even worse.
With a good hire you guys would be in the Top 20 within 3-4 years. You are nicely juxtaposition between NC, MD, NoVA, LI and Upstate NY hotbeds.
(04-20-2023 08:25 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Pray tell what happened to Pitt when it moved football game days 3 miles away. Can't wait.
You spend the rest of your days in a stadium way too big with some of the most infamously awful grass of any football stadium. And Steeler yellow really helps accentuate even the smallest empty seat on TV.
It's a good financial bargain. It's a good facilities bargain. It's a terrible atmosphere and experience bargain.
Yet when normalizing for opponents or wins, the attendance (including student attendance), is higher and, yes, arguably even the atmosphere is better. Unarguably, tailgating, amenities, and ingress/egress are infinitely better.
It is almost like you've never spent time at Pitt Stadium and Acrisure to compare.
You also haven't payed attention to the grass in the last five years...for a reason, there have been no issues since they changed it and installed a new system underneath.
Don't get me wrong, for non-tailgating nostalgic alumni, it would be better if Acrisure was on campus, but it would not be better to have a stripped down stadium crammed onto a corner campus than sharing Acrisure which is three or so miles away from the Cathedral of Learning...about the same distance from NCSU's Memorial Bell Tower to Carter-Finley. Pitt's main campus is about 150 acres. Football operations and practice facilities had already moved off-campus before Pitt Stadium was demolished. Find a P5 program with less amount of land. In fact, look up how many total schools with any D1 football programs have that little amount of land on their main campus.
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(04-20-2023 08:25 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Pray tell what happened to Pitt when it moved football game days 3 miles away. Can't wait.
You spend the rest of your days in a stadium way too big with some of the most infamously awful grass of any football stadium. And Steeler yellow really helps accentuate even the smallest empty seat on TV.
It's a good financial bargain. It's a good facilities bargain. It's a terrible atmosphere and experience bargain.
Yet when normalizing for opponents or wins, the attendance (including student attendance), is higher and, yes, arguably even the atmosphere is better. Unarguably, tailgating, amenities, and ingress/egress are infinitely better.
It is almost like you've never spent time at Pitt Stadium and Acrisure to compare.
You also haven't payed attention to the grass in the last five years...for a reason, there have been no issues since they changed it and installed a new system underneath.
Don't get me wrong, for non-tailgating nostalgic alumni, it would be better if Acrisure was on campus, but it would not be better to have a stripped down stadium crammed onto a corner campus than sharing Acrisure which is three or so miles away from the Cathedral of Learning...about the same distance from NCSU's Memorial Bell Tower to Carter-Finley. Pitt's main campus is about 150 acres. Football operations and practice facilities had already moved off-campus before Pitt Stadium was demolished. Find a P5 program with less amount of land. In fact, look up how many total schools with any D1 football programs have that little amount of land on their main campus.
Them's hillbilly miles in Pittsburgh, up and down and then over the river. In Raleigh those are flatland miles.
You had no choice unless you were willing to buy and destroy private housing.
There's no City in American that is as vertically challenged as Pittsburgh. Add in the rivers, the rail roads, and the deeply brownfield sites from the days of no regulation and I don't know how you can even get a reliable estimate to build much of anything in the core. Also the area between Mellon and Pitt was donated was it not? NC State has land next to it called the Pullen Land and it contains Pullen Park, but if it's encroached upon it reverts back to the heirs.
If you are going to buy up private housing, you have to attempt to catch it cheap but not be seen to be tossing people out of affordable housing. UNC and NC State both have a couple of neighborhoods next to them that the two universities would like, but they can't take the heat.
(This post was last modified: 04-22-2023 09:40 PM by SouthernConfBoy.)
(04-20-2023 08:25 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Pray tell what happened to Pitt when it moved football game days 3 miles away. Can't wait.
You spend the rest of your days in a stadium way too big with some of the most infamously awful grass of any football stadium. And Steeler yellow really helps accentuate even the smallest empty seat on TV.
It's a good financial bargain. It's a good facilities bargain. It's a terrible atmosphere and experience bargain.
Yet when normalizing for opponents or wins, the attendance (including student attendance), is higher and, yes, arguably even the atmosphere is better. Unarguably, tailgating, amenities, and ingress/egress are infinitely better.
It is almost like you've never spent time at Pitt Stadium and Acrisure to compare.
You also haven't payed attention to the grass in the last five years...for a reason, there have been no issues since they changed it and installed a new system underneath.
Don't get me wrong, for non-tailgating nostalgic alumni, it would be better if Acrisure was on campus, but it would not be better to have a stripped down stadium crammed onto a corner campus than sharing Acrisure which is three or so miles away from the Cathedral of Learning...about the same distance from NCSU's Memorial Bell Tower to Carter-Finley. Pitt's main campus is about 150 acres. Football operations and practice facilities had already moved off-campus before Pitt Stadium was demolished. Find a P5 program with less amount of land. In fact, look up how many total schools with any D1 football programs have that little amount of land on their main campus.
Them's hillbilly miles in Pittsburgh, up and down and then over the river. In Raleigh those are flatland miles.
You had no choice unless you were willing to buy and destroy private housing.
There's no City in American that is as vertically challenged as Pittsburgh. Add in the rivers, the rail roads, and the deeply brownfield sites from the days of no regulation and I don't know how you can even get a reliable estimate to build much of anything in the core. Also the area between Mellon and Pitt was donated was it not? NC State has land next to it called the Pullen Land and it contains Pullen Park, but if it's encroached upon it reverts back to the heirs.
If you are going to buy up private housing, you have to attempt to catch it cheap but not be seen to be tossing people out of affordable housing. UNC and NC State both have a couple of neighborhoods next to them that the two universities would like, but they can't take the heat.
I'm not sure what you mean by the area between Mellon and Pitt. There is no area between Carnegie Mellon and Pitt. The campuses abut and intermingle with one another. Unless you are talking about the city's Schenley Park.
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(04-20-2023 08:25 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Pray tell what happened to Pitt when it moved football game days 3 miles away. Can't wait.
You spend the rest of your days in a stadium way too big with some of the most infamously awful grass of any football stadium. And Steeler yellow really helps accentuate even the smallest empty seat on TV.
It's a good financial bargain. It's a good facilities bargain. It's a terrible atmosphere and experience bargain.
Yet when normalizing for opponents or wins, the attendance (including student attendance), is higher and, yes, arguably even the atmosphere is better. Unarguably, tailgating, amenities, and ingress/egress are infinitely better.
It is almost like you've never spent time at Pitt Stadium and Acrisure to compare.
You also haven't payed attention to the grass in the last five years...for a reason, there have been no issues since they changed it and installed a new system underneath.
Don't get me wrong, for non-tailgating nostalgic alumni, it would be better if Acrisure was on campus, but it would not be better to have a stripped down stadium crammed onto a corner campus than sharing Acrisure which is three or so miles away from the Cathedral of Learning...about the same distance from NCSU's Memorial Bell Tower to Carter-Finley. Pitt's main campus is about 150 acres. Football operations and practice facilities had already moved off-campus before Pitt Stadium was demolished. Find a P5 program with less amount of land. In fact, look up how many total schools with any D1 football programs have that little amount of land on their main campus.
Them's hillbilly miles in Pittsburgh, up and down and then over the river. In Raleigh those are flatland miles.
You had no choice unless you were willing to buy and destroy private housing.
There's no City in American that is as vertically challenged as Pittsburgh. Add in the rivers, the rail roads, and the deeply brownfield sites from the days of no regulation and I don't know how you can even get a reliable estimate to build much of anything in the core. Also the area between Mellon and Pitt was donated was it not? NC State has land next to it called the Pullen Land and it contains Pullen Park, but if it's encroached upon it reverts back to the heirs.
If you are going to buy up private housing, you have to attempt to catch it cheap but not be seen to be tossing people out of affordable housing. UNC and NC State both have a couple of neighborhoods next to them that the two universities would like, but they can't take the heat.
I'm not sure what you mean by the area between Mellon and Pitt. There is no area between Carnegie Mellon and Pitt. The campuses abut and intermingle with one another. Unless you are talking about the city's Schenley Park.
I am talking about the park - it strikes me as "in-between" from an on the ground and driving in a car perspective. Visiting is not the same as living in a place like that. In the flatlands of NC you don't need that third spatial axis.
(04-21-2023 10:08 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: You spend the rest of your days in a stadium way too big with some of the most infamously awful grass of any football stadium. And Steeler yellow really helps accentuate even the smallest empty seat on TV.
It's a good financial bargain. It's a good facilities bargain. It's a terrible atmosphere and experience bargain.
Yet when normalizing for opponents or wins, the attendance (including student attendance), is higher and, yes, arguably even the atmosphere is better. Unarguably, tailgating, amenities, and ingress/egress are infinitely better.
It is almost like you've never spent time at Pitt Stadium and Acrisure to compare.
You also haven't payed attention to the grass in the last five years...for a reason, there have been no issues since they changed it and installed a new system underneath.
Don't get me wrong, for non-tailgating nostalgic alumni, it would be better if Acrisure was on campus, but it would not be better to have a stripped down stadium crammed onto a corner campus than sharing Acrisure which is three or so miles away from the Cathedral of Learning...about the same distance from NCSU's Memorial Bell Tower to Carter-Finley. Pitt's main campus is about 150 acres. Football operations and practice facilities had already moved off-campus before Pitt Stadium was demolished. Find a P5 program with less amount of land. In fact, look up how many total schools with any D1 football programs have that little amount of land on their main campus.
Them's hillbilly miles in Pittsburgh, up and down and then over the river. In Raleigh those are flatland miles.
You had no choice unless you were willing to buy and destroy private housing.
There's no City in American that is as vertically challenged as Pittsburgh. Add in the rivers, the rail roads, and the deeply brownfield sites from the days of no regulation and I don't know how you can even get a reliable estimate to build much of anything in the core. Also the area between Mellon and Pitt was donated was it not? NC State has land next to it called the Pullen Land and it contains Pullen Park, but if it's encroached upon it reverts back to the heirs.
If you are going to buy up private housing, you have to attempt to catch it cheap but not be seen to be tossing people out of affordable housing. UNC and NC State both have a couple of neighborhoods next to them that the two universities would like, but they can't take the heat.
I'm not sure what you mean by the area between Mellon and Pitt. There is no area between Carnegie Mellon and Pitt. The campuses abut and intermingle with one another. Unless you are talking about the city's Schenley Park.
I am talking about the park - it strikes me as "in-between" from an on the ground and driving in a car perspective. Visiting is not the same as living in a place like that. In the flatlands of NC you don't need that third spatial axis.
130+ years ago, before either school was located in the Oakland neighborhood, the land comprising Schenley Park was given to the city to be a public park.
Forbes Avenue runs through five different university campuses over about a 3 mile stretch from west to east. Starting downtown: Point Park University [<0.5 miles] Duquesne University [<1.5 miles] Carlow University [adjacent to] UPMC and Pitt [adjacent to] Carnegie Mellon. From CMU, go 1 block to 5th Ave and another ~1.5 miles and you are at Chatham University.
For those keeping score on college teams, that's NAIA (RSC), D1 FCS (A10/NEC), DIII (AMC), D1 FBS (ACC), DIII (UAA/PAC), DIII (PAC) in less than a 4.5 mile radius. The other D1 university in the Pittsburgh area, Robert Morris, sits about 18 miles west.
Oakland neighborhood, outdated, and doesn't indicate Carlow, but shows what is about a 1.75 mile stretch along Forbes Ave:
Along Forbes and Fifth Aves, between Bellefield and Neville, the Pitt and CMU campuses blend together and both are also adjacent to the city's Carnegie Museums and Library complex.
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Do you still use what looks like an above ground polishing pond or tertiary water treatment impoundment on the top of the hill? It's behind a hotel north of the main campus and it also has a water tower. It looks to have about 3.5 acres of concrete surface area.
Because of the location I would think it has the best cast iron piping in America but it might now only be used for pressure purposes and to vent trihalomethanes. You could put a stadium on top of that site, maybe but who knows the cost.
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(04-23-2023 01:29 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: Do you still use what looks like an above ground polishing pond or tertiary water treatment impoundment on the top of the hill? It's behind a hotel north of the main campus and it also has a water tower. It looks to have about 3.5 acres of concrete surface area.
Because of the location I would think it has the best cast iron piping in America but it might now only be used for pressure purposes and to vent trihalomethanes. You could put a stadium on top of that site, maybe but who knows the cost.
The only thing I that is close to what you are describing is an old reservoir in the upper Hill District. Perceptually, that is as detached from the campus as the moon.
There is no where realistic place to put a football stadium, and all the accompanying infrastructure that would be needed, that would be a better proximity to campus than Acrisure, and if there were, it would only be half as nice.
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(02-14-2023 06:22 PM)Garrettabc Wrote: It [Cameron] is very old and small. I don’t know if the market demands it or not.
The "market" demands that Duke keep playing its games there forever. There would be a massive revolt against any plan to move from Cameron. We LOVE Cameron, far more than any other fan base in the ACC loves its arena or stadium. Do you have any idea how many Duke alums name their child "Cameron"?
Cameron has been renovated many times. The only big thing I could imagine now is extending the concourse at the North end in sort of the same way they did in the South end. I don't know what they'd put in an extended concourse, however. More food options? Expanded souvenir sales area? Another"club" like the Champions Club at the other end? Another elevator? More restrooms? I'm sure the money would be there to extend the concourse at the North end. In fact, I think it's already on hand. There's just not a compelling reason to do any major renovation. In much smaller matters, the men's restrooms and the historic displays on the Cameron concourse could use some work and it may be getting time for a coat of paint.
Hlallcity, so Cameron Indoor Stadium is to Duke what Dooley Field @ Sanford Stadium is to UGA??
(02-15-2023 09:09 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: Bobby Dodd Stadium needs to be completely redone. The East Stands are not allowed to go over Techwood Drive. The West Stands are not ADA compliant and are thus frozen in time. The North Stands look hideous and provide generous seating capacity in the worst part of the stadium for actually taking in the game. It's just a mess. Given the buildings hugging up to and in some cases built literally into Bobby Dodd Stadium (Wardlaw, Edge, Career Center, Bill Moore Student Success Center), you're looking at redoing not just a stadium but a cool half dozen buildings even if you kept somehow the existing site footprint.
If they were going to do it properly, they'd probably raze all the old freshman dorms and Brittain Dining Hall immediately adjacent Bobby Dodd Stadium, and then reroute the path of Techwood Drive to meet Williams Street NW at a roundabout. You're talking around a billion dollars (!!!!) all in to do that. That sounds like a lot of money, but ESPN hands an extra billion dollars to the SEC teams compared to the ACC teams every 20 years give or take.
It's just 1.4 miles from GIT to Mercedez Benz Stadium on foot - est. 29 min. walk, according to Google Maps [LINK].
Maybe the solution is to simply play all of your games there?
Pittsburgh shows what happens when you move off campus. The Benz would be a downgrade in experience and atmosphere and attendance. It's nice to be able to use it to gauge market support for box seating at BDS though, as there is a decade+ backlog on luxury boxes at BDS.
Also on a gameday Saturday that 1.4m will probably take you an additional hour+ of car time in and out.
That’s interesting that I never thought about. Since it’s very close, how bout Bobby Dodd is turned into a parking/tailgating area?
Bobby Dodd is to Tech what Cameron is to Duke and what Dooley Field @ Sanford Stadium is to UGA.
(04-20-2023 08:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: VT's football stadium hasn't been upgraded other than regular maintenance since about 2004 but it's right sized for our fan base. So, unless a long string of elite winning comes along we won't need to upgrade.
They just upgraded the basketball arena and there's talk of a $250-$350 mil upgrade too, in the pipe line, but we won't be expanding seats. Actually we'd be reducing seating capacity. As a footnote, the WBKB team has sold out season tickets for next year already.
Baseball and Softball are brand new thanks to a diamond sports oriented AD. And both sports continue to do well. I just finished watching FSU @ VT and I must say they are the best Softball team I've seen all year. They made some incredible defensive play and even though we had a lot of 2 and 3 runners on base, their pitching always came through.
Wrestling does it's meets in Cassell Colosseum and sells out. I don't know if there's any plans to build a Wrestling only arena but we're regularly top 10 for the last 15 years and Iowa hired away our last coach many years ago.
The other sports, I don't really know. The track field doesn't have any bleachers for fans to watch but then that wouldn't be a revenue sport.
Swimming and Diving is pretty much land locked in war memorial gym. They'll never get upgrades.
I'm not even sure where women's Lacrosse plays but we've only had flashes of good years every now and then.
VT has been in title 9 compliance since we added women's golf 20-25 years ago. So no Men's Lacrosse team unless we add a comparable number of scholarships in women's sports. Men's and Women's Golf play at the Pat Dye course down the street. So, they'll never need an upgrade.
nicest stadium hands down ...
#1 IN MY BOOK
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The next basketball arena in the Triangle will be UNC's replacement of the Dean Dome. However the cost will be catastrophic especially if close proximity to the UNC Hospital and the football /baseball stadium is maintained.
UNC only needs about 18K seats with 3-5K of them being luxury boxes. Parking for the swells needs to be under the building.
The big internal fight will be over who gets the various contracts for design - if any of it stays in state this time or again goes to NYC and guys from Columbia and Rennslar.
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