Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

(02-10-2023 03:19 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

(02-10-2023 03:24 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:19 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

Well that would affect a good number of the Big 10 schools.

(02-10-2023 03:24 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:19 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

If that's the case I think KU will be just fine. It's not an AG school and KU Med just got the comprehensive cancer center designation. So there will be plenty of research on the medical side.

Rice, Tulane are two that have got past by non-AAU schools on research dollars.

The schools rumored to be at the bottom were Kansas, Missouri and Oregon.

Not that they were at risk of being removed, but they were the bottom ranked schools.

(02-10-2023 12:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  The schools rumored to be at the bottom were Kansas, Missouri and Oregon.

Not that they were at risk of being removed, but they were the bottom ranked schools.

There have got to be some shenanigans keeping Oregon in. They spend less on research than North Dakota.

They look at a lot of things. Maybe Oregon has a lot of award winning professors.

The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

(02-10-2023 02:08 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

To be AAU you need at least a medical school and a great research department. You need to be a recipient of a ton of NIH and DoD grants.

(02-10-2023 02:08 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

Clark also left voluntary.

(02-10-2023 02:32 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:08 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

To be AAU you need at least a medical school and a great research department. You need to be a recipient of a ton of NIH and DoD grants.

Yep that's why FSU is building new research-focused med facilities in both Tallahassee and Panama City. Investing billion$ into facilities and research faculty over the next few years. I hope there's more to it then just shoring up a B1G invite if the SEC option doesn't happen =)

(02-10-2023 02:32 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:08 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

To be AAU you need at least a medical school and a great research department. You need to be a recipient of a ton of NIH and DoD grants.

Plenty of schools in the AAU do not have med schools. Princeton, Georgia Tech, Rice, Brandeis, some of the Californias, etc.

(02-10-2023 03:46 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:24 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:19 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

If that's the case I think KU will be just fine. It's not an AG school and KU Med just got the comprehensive cancer center designation. So there will be plenty of research on the medical side.

Is KU Med in Lawrence or Kansas City? Pretty sure the AAU has some rule about med schools being outside the school's primary location as not counting or something and that is what hurt Nebraska when the med school was in Omaha instead of Lincoln.

(02-10-2023 02:47 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:46 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:24 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:19 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

If that's the case I think KU will be just fine. It's not an AG school and KU Med just got the comprehensive cancer center designation. So there will be plenty of research on the medical side.

Is KU Med in Lawrence or Kansas City? Pretty sure the AAU has some rule about med schools being outside the school's primary location as not counting or something and that is what hurt Nebraska when the med school was in Omaha instead of Lincoln.

I didn't think it was the location as much as the governing structure, iirc from a decade ago.

(02-10-2023 02:49 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:47 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:46 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:24 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:19 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State are no longer in the AAU. Now there's rumours going around that Kansas could be removed from the AAU. What other schools are in danger of being removed, if any at all?

talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

If that's the case I think KU will be just fine. It's not an AG school and KU Med just got the comprehensive cancer center designation. So there will be plenty of research on the medical side.

Is KU Med in Lawrence or Kansas City? Pretty sure the AAU has some rule about med schools being outside the school's primary location as not counting or something and that is what hurt Nebraska when the med school was in Omaha instead of Lincoln.

I didn't think it was the location as much as the governing structure, iirc from a decade ago.

Yes, the state of Nebraska wished to administer the medical school as a separate campus of the university. KU Med is administered as part of the main campus of the University of Kansas in Lawrence. I think the thing which has KU's rating low wrt other AAU institutions (e.g., Utah as a fairly recent addition) is the high acceptance rate for in-state applicants; Just saw a chart recently that the admission rate is virtually the same as for Kansas State, so that may be regulated by the BOR, which is the same board for both schools.

(02-10-2023 02:59 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:49 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:47 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:46 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:24 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  talk - which is of course just talk lol - is that ag schools are going to have a tougher time keeping AAU status.

Especially with the shifting of grants toward the health-care field.

This is one of those "we'll see", things.

If that's the case I think KU will be just fine. It's not an AG school and KU Med just got the comprehensive cancer center designation. So there will be plenty of research on the medical side.

Is KU Med in Lawrence or Kansas City? Pretty sure the AAU has some rule about med schools being outside the school's primary location as not counting or something and that is what hurt Nebraska when the med school was in Omaha instead of Lincoln.

I didn't think it was the location as much as the governing structure, iirc from a decade ago.

Yes, the state of Nebraska wished to administer the medical school as a separate campus of the university. KU Med is administered as part of the main campus of the University of Kansas in Lawrence. I think the thing which has KU's rating low wrt other AAU institutions (e.g., Utah as a fairly recent addition) is the high acceptance rate for in-state applicants; Just saw a chart recently that the admission rate is virtually the same as for Kansas State, so that may be regulated by the BOR, which is the same board for both schools.

The acceptance rate is a BOR thing. It's pretty much stated that if you graduate high school with good enough grades in the state of KS the state school has to take you. If it were not for that I think the acceptance rate would be lower than it is now.

Kind of wild people want to knock a state flagship for doing its purpose of educating the populace of the state.

Whoever in the future I do think the acceptance rates will drop. There are too many universities for a state with the population we have. I expect at 1-2 of the KBOR and at least a couple of municipal universities to close in the coming 10-20 years. The state is cutting funding like no one's business so I see consolidation on the horizon.

(02-10-2023 02:08 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

Reporting at the time was that Syracuse left to avoid a vote like Nebraska's.

And the rumors are similar about IA state.

(02-10-2023 03:57 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:08 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The AAU is a very political club…they need to constantly diversify their membership, while still being ultra-selective.

So if they have a very strong candidate that is public & from the west (say British Columbia), it wouldn’t be surprising if Oregon or Kansas are being looked at. If they have an opportunity for Southern private-school growth (say Miami), it may force discussion about the overrepresented northeast as well as other Southern schools…putting the limelight on Brandeis or Tulane. At the end of the day, there are many AAU members that are getting nudged to increase their research focus.

FWIW - the AAU isn’t technically “removing” members. Schools like Catholic, Syracuse and Iowa State voluntarily left the club (Nebraska is the exception to the rule) because their missions & commitment-to-research didn’t fully align with the changing expectations of the AAU.

Reporting at the time was that Syracuse left to avoid a vote like Nebraska's.

And the rumors are similar about IA state.

Oh I get it. Member universities would gladly pay the annual AAU dues in exchange for the prestige of being a recognized member to the most exclusive club of large research universities. If Iowa State wasn’t nudged for a decade or so, they would have continued the membership.

My point is, there is a big political difference between being nudged and removed. When you’re nudged, the university leaving the club makes the announcement and spins the story. When you’re removed, the AAU takes an official vote.

(02-10-2023 03:09 PM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:59 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:49 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 02:47 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 03:46 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  If that's the case I think KU will be just fine. It's not an AG school and KU Med just got the comprehensive cancer center designation. So there will be plenty of research on the medical side.

Is KU Med in Lawrence or Kansas City? Pretty sure the AAU has some rule about med schools being outside the school's primary location as not counting or something and that is what hurt Nebraska when the med school was in Omaha instead of Lincoln.

I didn't think it was the location as much as the governing structure, iirc from a decade ago.

Yes, the state of Nebraska wished to administer the medical school as a separate campus of the university. KU Med is administered as part of the main campus of the University of Kansas in Lawrence. I think the thing which has KU's rating low wrt other AAU institutions (e.g., Utah as a fairly recent addition) is the high acceptance rate for in-state applicants; Just saw a chart recently that the admission rate is virtually the same as for Kansas State, so that may be regulated by the BOR, which is the same board for both schools.

The acceptance rate is a BOR thing. It's pretty much stated that if you graduate high school with good enough grades in the state of KS the state school has to take you. If it were not for that I think the acceptance rate would be lower than it is now.

Kind of wild people want to knock a state flagship for doing its purpose of educating the populace of the state.

Whoever in the future I do think the acceptance rates will drop. There are too many universities for a state with the population we have. I expect at 1-2 of the KBOR and at least a couple of municipal universities to close in the coming 10-20 years. The state is cutting funding like no one's business so I see consolidation on the horizon.

I believe that is one of the knocks against my alma mater, WVU. Its ARWU (Shanghai) ranking is a couple of tiers below KU, though, so there must be more to the ratings than acceptance rate. In the ARWU, Kansas gets good marks for Alumni, Publications, etc. particularly wrt more highly rated AAU schools (e.g., Colorado).