It’s very common in the Big 10 for teams that share a state to have rivalry trophies w/ several teams. Michigan, Michigan St, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, etc.
Teams that share a division are commonly called 'rivals', & it extends to the whole conference too.

I think the question is more ‘do in-state rivals with out-of-state rivals in a different conference carry over’?
Like Iowa St & Iowa are in-state rivals – is Iowa St rivals to anyone Iowa is? Is Iowa rival to anyone Iowa St is?
Like your example: Georgia & Georgia Tech are in-state rivals. Is Georgia Tech rival with Georgia’s other rivals out-of-conference like Florida?

(02-09-2023 03:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The old web of Pitt-Penn State comes to mind with Syracuse and WVU. Pitt still has Syracuse, but that’s pretty much all that regularly remains in that group of four.

Were Rutgers or BC a worthy 5th team?

Not historically

BC though way more than Rutgers

Yeah, though, before the Big East years, Rutgers did have Penn State there. It wasn’t as deep with the others. Maybe even Temple had more of a thing with that quartet.

(02-09-2023 04:25 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  It’s very common in the Big 10 for teams that share a state to have rivalry trophies w/ several teams. Michigan, Michigan St, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, etc.
Teams that share a division are commonly called 'rivals', & it extends to the whole conference too.

I think the question is more ‘do in-state rivals with out-of-state rivals in a different conference carry over’?
Like Iowa St & Iowa are in-state rivals – is Iowa St rivals to anyone Iowa is? Is Iowa rival to anyone Iowa St is?
Like your example: Georgia & Georgia Tech are in-state rivals. Is Georgia Tech rival with Georgia’s other rivals out-of-conference like Florida?

If I understand you correctly...it's the opposite with FL schools. Most of the State of FL fans usually root strongly for their in-state rival's rival. Most FSU fans root for UGA over UF; Most UF fans root for Clemson over FSU. And how can they become rivals if they don't play each other often if ever? I'm sure FSU would love to have UGA on the schedule regularly...but that won't happen unless they join the SEC. UF wants to fill its non-conference (aside from the FSU end-of-season game) with cupcakes, understandably.

(02-09-2023 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The old web of Pitt-Penn State comes to mind with Syracuse and WVU. Pitt still has Syracuse, but that’s pretty much all that regularly remains in that group of four.

Were Rutgers or BC a worthy 5th team?

Nope. Rutgers was way behind the major northeastern players for decades.

I read once that for a time, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn St, and WVU had a mutual scheduling agreement and even agreed to play by the same recruiting rules.

(02-09-2023 02:31 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  oSu/OU/UT/aTm

Group the first three or OU, the last three for UT.

No sure oSu and aTm care about each other.

We don't really care about OU, either. We've only played them 31 times in history. Nobody cared about leaving them behind in the big 12. I care more about beating every current SEC team other than Vandy more than I care about OU right now.

We are Hawaii's and Boise's biggest rival but SJSU is our longest most played rival.

Regarding Ohio St/Michigan/Michigan St/Penn St, as an Ohio St fan, I always want to see the other two beat Michigan. My wife’s Michigan St family pull for Ohio St against Michigan albeit as Spartan fans in Central Ohio, they generally find Buckeye fans annoying. They don’t really hold any animosity against Penn St—it’s just the school that usually pretty decent that they end the season with for scheduling convenience. I feel the same way about Penn St—they’re an admirable foe and other than being an obstacle in the way of a Big 10 title, I don’t begrudge them.

(02-09-2023 05:01 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  Most of the State of FL fans usually root strongly for their in-state rival's rival. Most FSU fans root for UGA over UF; Most UF fans root for Clemson over FSU.
And the vast majority of Miami fans root against FSU and UF — ALWAYS

And how can they become rivals if they don't play each other often if ever? I'm sure FSU would love to have UGA on the schedule regularly...but that won't happen unless they join the SEC. UF wants to fill its non-conference (aside from the FSU end-of-season game) with cupcakes, understandably.
Very understandable. That's what Gators do

For the record, I don't think anyone considers Rice a serious rival.

(02-09-2023 05:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  For the record, I don't think anyone considers Rice a serious rival.

Beans consider Rice to be a serious rival.

(02-09-2023 05:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 05:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  For the record, I don't think anyone considers Rice a serious rival.

Beans consider Rice to be a serious rival.

We'll move to the CC next (Carb Conference). Past is our secondary rival.

(02-09-2023 02:31 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  So I wonder if FSU/GT is a minor rivalry?

FSU's biggest ACC rival besides Miami is by far Clemson (birds of a feather and all that)

FSU vs GT was probably a bigger rivalry than FSU vs Clemson before the split divisions. The Bowden Bowl helped hype the FSU vs Clemson game and they started to win a lot games in the series and they have constantly stood between FSU and the Atlantic division title.

GT had also started to beat FSU on the regular, but the game has not been annual since 2004. FSU fans would love to have an annual series, but 2/4 seasons starting this coming season is a big improvement. Can you think of any other 2 schools in the same conference, is the closest member, but does not play each other regularly?

You may wonder why don’t the ACC pair us up in the divisionless 3-5-5 schedule? Every member has their top 2 rivals annually, and the last annual addresses recruiting or exposure in certain areas. For example: SU is FSU’s 3rd annual opponent; FSU does not have much history with them, but SU needs to recruit in Florida, while FSU gets the exposure in NY state. I’ll add that the SU game is really growing on me, I prefer them as annual opponents over UNC, Duke, UVA, BC or Wake.

(02-09-2023 02:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  They’re a few teams whose big rival is out of state, while ALSO having an in-state rival. I wonder if those in state rivals have smaller rivalries.

For example: Florida is a rival of both Georgia and FSU, while Georgia has a rivalry with Georgia Tech. So I wonder if FSU/GT is a minor rivalry?

In the MWC they probably meet your requirements as they have the instate inter conf Air Force–Colorado State football rivalry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force%...ll_rivalry) that play for the Ram–Falcon Trophy! Both have a rivalry with Wyoming, however the Border War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_War...g_rivalry) is more established than the Wyo/AF rivalry. [60 meetings] Of Course the Rocky Mountain Showdown is the name given to the Colorado–Colorado State rivalry and the two schools are rivals in every sport.

(02-09-2023 05:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The old web of Pitt-Penn State comes to mind with Syracuse and WVU. Pitt still has Syracuse, but that’s pretty much all that regularly remains in that group of four.

Were Rutgers or BC a worthy 5th team?

Nope. Rutgers was way behind the major northeastern players for decades.

I read once that for a time, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn St, and WVU had a mutual scheduling agreement and even agreed to play by the same recruiting rules.

Yeah, we came to the party really late. Rutgers considered Princeton and the other Ivies as its rivalries. We were still playing a mostly D1aa schedule even after the division split. We actually played a trophy game vs Colgate way into the 1990s.
Our big problem is that there was no other school to take the place of the Princeton rivalry in all sports. None of the other D1 schools in NJ had football or a bunch of other sports we sponsored. Seton Hall only has 14 sports and that rivalry doesn't really extend past mens basketball.
We had a couple chances while in the BE. The Temple series was as close as we got in BE 1.0, but we both sucked, Temple never gained all sports status and was eventually expelled. During BE 2.0, UConn became a minor rivalry. Then we left for the BIG where we only had any history with State Penn. I believe RU/UMd will eventually become a decent rivalry. It's not the one that either of us want. Both schools want to be the main rival of PSU, but PSU does not and never has seen either of us as a rival. Based on proximity and being the twins that were invited into the conference together, we are going to be forever connected.

(02-09-2023 10:25 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 05:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The old web of Pitt-Penn State comes to mind with Syracuse and WVU. Pitt still has Syracuse, but that’s pretty much all that regularly remains in that group of four.

Were Rutgers or BC a worthy 5th team?

Nope. Rutgers was way behind the major northeastern players for decades.

I read once that for a time, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn St, and WVU had a mutual scheduling agreement and even agreed to play by the same recruiting rules.

Yeah, we came to the party really late. Rutgers considered Princeton and the other Ivies as its rivalries. We were still playing a mostly D1aa schedule even after the division split. We actually played a trophy game vs Colgate way into the 1990s.
Our big problem is that there was no other school to take the place of the Princeton rivalry in all sports. None of the other D1 schools in NJ had football or a bunch of other sports we sponsored. Seton Hall only has 14 sports and that rivalry doesn't really extend past mens basketball.
We had a couple chances while in the BE. The Temple series was as close as we got in BE 1.0, but we both sucked, Temple never gained all sports status and was eventually expelled. During BE 2.0, UConn became a minor rivalry. Then we left for the BIG where we only had any history with State Penn. I believe RU/UMd will eventually become a decent rivalry. It's not the one that either of us want. Both schools want to be the main rival of PSU, but PSU does not and never has seen either of us as a rival. Based on proximity and being the twins that were invited into the conference together, we are going to be forever connected.

Funny. Neither of the teams PSU desperately wants to be their main rival see them as one either.

(02-09-2023 10:51 PM)Buckeye22 Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 10:25 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 05:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The old web of Pitt-Penn State comes to mind with Syracuse and WVU. Pitt still has Syracuse, but that’s pretty much all that regularly remains in that group of four.

Were Rutgers or BC a worthy 5th team?

Nope. Rutgers was way behind the major northeastern players for decades.

I read once that for a time, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn St, and WVU had a mutual scheduling agreement and even agreed to play by the same recruiting rules.

Yeah, we came to the party really late. Rutgers considered Princeton and the other Ivies as its rivalries. We were still playing a mostly D1aa schedule even after the division split. We actually played a trophy game vs Colgate way into the 1990s.
Our big problem is that there was no other school to take the place of the Princeton rivalry in all sports. None of the other D1 schools in NJ had football or a bunch of other sports we sponsored. Seton Hall only has 14 sports and that rivalry doesn't really extend past mens basketball.
We had a couple chances while in the BE. The Temple series was as close as we got in BE 1.0, but we both sucked, Temple never gained all sports status and was eventually expelled. During BE 2.0, UConn became a minor rivalry. Then we left for the BIG where we only had any history with State Penn. I believe RU/UMd will eventually become a decent rivalry. It's not the one that either of us want. Both schools want to be the main rival of PSU, but PSU does not and never has seen either of us as a rival. Based on proximity and being the twins that were invited into the conference together, we are going to be forever connected.

Funny. Neither of the teams PSU desperately wants to be their main rival see them as one either.

Penn State's historic rivals are Pitt and Cuse

(02-09-2023 02:36 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:31 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  oSu/OU/UT/aTm

Group the first three or OU, the last three for UT.

Most hated listed first

OU: Horns, Cowboys, Aggies

OSU: Sooners, Horns, Aggies

UT: Aggies, Sooners, Cowboys

A&M: Horns, Sooners, Cowboys

Points on 3-2-1 basis:

Horns: 8
Sooners: 7
Aggies: 5
Cowboys: 4

Most heated rivals: Texas and A&M

Here, let me fix that for you.

Most hated listed first

OU: Horns, Cowboys, Aggies

OSU: Sooners, Raiders, Aggies

UT: Sooners, Aggies, Raiders

A&M: Horns, Sooners, Raiders/Bears

(02-09-2023 02:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  They’re a few teams whose big rival is out of state, while ALSO having an in-state rival. I wonder if those in state rivals have smaller rivalries.

For example: Florida is a rival of both Georgia and FSU, while Georgia has a rivalry with Georgia Tech. So I wonder if FSU/GT is a minor rivalry?

Actually yes, out in Pac-12 country. U of O and Washington have a huge rivalry, and ORSU has a rivalry with Washington as well. In addition, Washington State and U of O don't get along too well either.

(02-09-2023 05:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The old web of Pitt-Penn State comes to mind with Syracuse and WVU. Pitt still has Syracuse, but that’s pretty much all that regularly remains in that group of four.

Were Rutgers or BC a worthy 5th team?

Nope. Rutgers was way behind the major northeastern players for decades.

I read once that for a time, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn St, and WVU had a mutual scheduling agreement and even agreed to play by the same recruiting rules.

Throughout the 80s (maybe earlier) until Penn State left for the Big 10, PSU, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, BC and Temple all played each other every year, and drew their game officials from the same pool.

It would have made a nice conference had they been able to agree on terms. (While at Rutgers, my then-roommate and I proposed adding Colgate as an 8th team, "so we'd have someone we could beat").

(02-09-2023 05:59 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:31 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 02:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  So I wonder if FSU/GT is a minor rivalry?

FSU's biggest ACC rival besides Miami is by far Clemson (birds of a feather and all that)

FSU vs GT was probably a bigger rivalry than FSU vs Clemson before the split divisions. The Bowden Bowl helped hype the FSU vs Clemson game and they started to win a lot games in the series and they have constantly stood between FSU and the Atlantic division title.

GT had also started to beat FSU on the regular, but the game has not been annual since 2004. FSU fans would love to have an annual series, but 2/4 seasons starting this coming season is a big improvement. Can you think of any other 2 schools in the same conference, is the closest member, but does not play each other regularly?

You may wonder why don’t the ACC pair us up in the divisionless 3-5-5 schedule? Every member has their top 2 rivals annually, and the last annual addresses recruiting or exposure in certain areas. For example: SU is FSU’s 3rd annual opponent; FSU does not have much history with them, but SU needs to recruit in Florida, while FSU gets the exposure in NY state. I’ll add that the SU game is really growing on me, I prefer them as annual opponents over UNC, Duke, UVA, BC or Wake.

FSU-GT hasn't ever been a bigger rivalry than FSU-Clemson. Certainly not on any national or even regional level that reached any level of significance. And before the ACC days...I'm sure you've heard of the '88 classic. Clemson has consistently been FSU's solid #3 rival since then. GT isn't even close by any metric: National Title impact games, ACC championships, TV viewership, game attendance, etc. Then throw in the flavors like Bowden Bowl, Puntrooskie, Deion Sanders 75 yard punt returns, the bus ride into death valley in '13, etc. I'm sure Tiger fans can add a bunch more. It's UF, Miami and Clemson. The drop-off after that is very steep and I wouldn't even classify any others as true Rivalry games.