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(02-07-2023 10:19 AM)msu35 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:16 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  We are not getting into a power conference until we get the crime under control

I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with it considering both Houston and Cincinnati have more crime than Memphis.

Latest list of top 10 most dangerous cities.

Memphis #1

Houston and Cincinnati not listed.
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(02-07-2023 10:59 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:54 AM)fsquid Wrote:  This is a good thing, full stop.

So was Mud Island and The Pyramid.

The reality is the city already had The Liberty Bowl and FedExForum and couldn't afford to properly maintain and improve either of them without a bailout from the state. They won't be able to maintain the newly renovated facilities either.

And they collect taxes generated by events held at those venues. Now consider the difficulty of trying to maintain and upgrade university owned facilities without having the ability of collecting taxes generated by events at the arenas.
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We get a $350,000,000 grant and this board turns into a one-way ticket to hell.
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(02-07-2023 01:24 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 12:55 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Amazing what a Republican super majority can get accomplished. I see where Willie Herenton announced he’s running for mayor again. Guess he heard about $350m coming and figured he’d get his hand back in the cookie jar.

Jim Strickland also deserves much of the credit for this. It was his deal, he convinced Cam Sexton. This was a bi-partisan effort to benefit Memphis. It's a good thing.

He's talking about how the GOP control led the State to a budget surplus. Without it the chances of getting the money would have been less.
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(02-07-2023 07:41 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We get a $350,000,000 grant and this board turns into a one-way ticket to hell.

Could the board raise $5 million for an OCS? Could it even raise $1 million? I have often wondered.
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(02-07-2023 07:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:19 AM)msu35 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:16 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  We are not getting into a power conference until we get the crime under control

I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with it considering both Houston and Cincinnati have more crime than Memphis.

Latest list of top 10 most dangerous cities.

Memphis #1

Houston and Cincinnati not listed.

I never said most dangerous city, I said crime rate. It was a statement that I had based on old information I remembered from years ago. Nevertheless, after seeing your post and looking at the most recent crime data, I am definitely wrong. I also don't see where it's obvious that Memphis is the "most dangerous" city, and the data certainly doesn't support this. There isn't even a consensus among the "tabloid" and "pop" websites that author these sensationalist pieces.

You never mentioned your source, and taking your word for anything is never the appropriate option. You have a tendency to make absolute statements that are typically incorrect, but you never publish credible sources for your "information." Without links, one can only assume that you went with whatever Google results you happened across and are calling it gospel. So back to the facts. Memphis does have more crime in general than both Cincinnati and Houston, but those cities are certainly not immune to a significant amount of crime. Cincinnati in particular isn't that different compared to Memphis, certainly not enough to be a factor of any kind in regards to conference considerations.

The latest data published by the FBI is from 2019. I would consider any other source to be suspect. Wikipedia has an article showing a list of cities by crime that uses the FBI data as a primary source. Using that, we're able to get a broader picture. All numeric rankings below are based strictly on FBI data derived from incidents of the indicated crime per 100,000 population.

Murder
08 - Memphis
10 - Cincinnati
38 - Houston

Rape
12 - Cincinnati
18 - Memphis
46 - Houston

Robbery
05 - Memphis
10 - Houston
13 - Cincinnati

Assault
02 - Memphis
20 - Houston
44 - Cincinnati

Burglary
02 - Memphis
09- Cincinnati
36 - Houston

Property Crime
03 - Memphis
16 - Cincinnati
30 - Houston

So there you go. The facts. Feel free to verify any of this if you would like: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
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well this thread has gone another way.
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(02-07-2023 10:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  well this thread has gone another way.

Well, somebody, I believe it was the Bathtub Gin guy, made a comment about Memphis having too much crime to move to another conference. So chimed in to defend Memphis, and it all cascades from there. At the very least, we can all see that Memphis isn't that different from Cincinnati and it likely won't hurt our chances.

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(02-07-2023 09:42 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 07:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:19 AM)msu35 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:16 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  We are not getting into a power conference until we get the crime under control

I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with it considering both Houston and Cincinnati have more crime than Memphis.

Latest list of top 10 most dangerous cities.

Memphis #1

Houston and Cincinnati not listed.

I never said most dangerous city, I said crime rate. It was a statement that I had based on old information I remembered from years ago. Nevertheless, after seeing your post and looking at the most recent crime data, I am definitely wrong. I also don't see where it's obvious that Memphis is the "most dangerous" city, and the data certainly doesn't support this. There isn't even a consensus among the "tabloid" and "pop" websites that author these sensationalist pieces.

You never mentioned your source, and taking your word for anything is never the appropriate option. You have a tendency to make absolute statements that are typically incorrect, but you never publish credible sources for your "information." Without links, one can only assume that you went with whatever Google results you happened across and are calling it gospel. So back to the facts. Memphis does have more crime in general than both Cincinnati and Houston, but those cities are certainly not immune to a significant amount of crime. Cincinnati in particular isn't that different compared to Memphis, certainly not enough to be a factor of any kind in regards to conference considerations.

The latest data published by the FBI is from 2019. I would consider any other source to be suspect. Wikipedia has an article showing a list of cities by crime that uses the FBI data as a primary source. Using that, we're able to get a broader picture. All numeric rankings below are based strictly on FBI data derived from incidents of the indicated crime per 100,000 population.

Murder
08 - Memphis
10 - Cincinnati
38 - Houston

Rape
12 - Cincinnati
18 - Memphis
46 - Houston

Robbery
05 - Memphis
10 - Houston
13 - Cincinnati

Assault
02 - Memphis
20 - Houston
44 - Cincinnati

Burglary
02 - Memphis
09- Cincinnati
36 - Houston

Property Crime
03 - Memphis
16 - Cincinnati
30 - Houston

So there you go. The facts. Feel free to verify any of this if you would like: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

They base crime on population percentage now. For example Memphis had 302 homicides in 2022 and Houston had 433 homicides in 2022. Measure crime based on population percentage and it makes smaller cities seem more dangerous and bigger cities more safe. Guarantee Chicago and Los Angeles beat us in homicides per year. Got to keep the tourism money flowing. I'd take a scroll in the most dangerous neighborhood in Memphis before I would walk in a medium dangerous neighborhood in Chicago and Los Angeles.
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(02-07-2023 10:21 PM)Crazier Wrote:  They base crime on population percentage now. For example Memphis had 302 homicides in 2022 and Houston had 433 homicides in 2022. Measure crime based on population percentage and it makes smaller cities seem more dangerous and bigger cities more safe. Guarantee Chicago and Los Angeles beat us in homicides per year. Got to keep the tourism money flowing. I'd take a scroll in the most dangerous neighborhood in Memphis before I would walk in a medium dangerous neighborhood in Chicago and Los Angeles.

Memphis does have high crime, but it's highly isolated. The average person sees very little of it, and it skews the numbers. The metro area itself is very segregated and the experience isn't the same for all segments of the population. Unfortunate, but true. Still, it will be a non-factor if a conference is considering Memphis. Other factors will be far more important.
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I started a thread before we were not #2 on everybody's list only behind Cincinnati, titled "The reputation of a city"-----a couple days later Calkins wrote an similar article

Take a look at both
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(02-07-2023 10:49 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I started a thread before we were not #2 on everybody's list only behind Cincinnati, titled "The reputation of a city"-----a couple days later Calkins wrote an similar article

Take a look at both

You'll have to excuse me if I opt out of giving Calkins any of my time.
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(02-07-2023 04:29 PM)micman Wrote:  What are they going to do to FedEx Forum? the details have been very vague.

They're going to add more seating towards the lower level. I was inside the Forum the other day and I was trying to figure out how they're going to do it. The Grizzlies lease expires in 2029, so the city of Memphis has a feeling this will keep them in Memphis beyond 2029. Somehow, the FedEx Forum doesn't meet today's NBA standards. That, and lack of hotel rooms in downtown Memphis are the two majority reasons why Memphis cannot host the NBA All-Star game.
I've been inside several NBA/NHL arenas and they do have more "lower bowl" seating, where the FedEx Forum has more upper bowl seating. I can understand why they believe there is a reason renovate the arena. I just don't know how.
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(02-07-2023 11:17 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 04:29 PM)micman Wrote:  What are they going to do to FedEx Forum? the details have been very vague.

They're going to add more seating towards the lower level. I was inside the Forum the other day and I was trying to figure out how they're going to do it. The Grizzlies lease expires in 2029, so the city of Memphis has a feeling this will keep them in Memphis beyond 2029. Somehow, the FedEx Forum doesn't meet today's NBA standards. That, and lack of hotel rooms in downtown Memphis are the two majority reasons why Memphis cannot host the NBA All-Star game.
I've been inside several NBA/NHL arenas and they do have more "lower bowl" seating, where the FedEx Forum has more upper bowl seating. I can understand why they believe there is a reason renovate the arena. I just don't know how.

Does the city have a commitment from the Grizzlies beyond '29 based upon making these improvements?
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(02-07-2023 11:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 11:17 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 04:29 PM)micman Wrote:  What are they going to do to FedEx Forum? the details have been very vague.

They're going to add more seating towards the lower level. I was inside the Forum the other day and I was trying to figure out how they're going to do it. The Grizzlies lease expires in 2029, so the city of Memphis has a feeling this will keep them in Memphis beyond 2029. Somehow, the FedEx Forum doesn't meet today's NBA standards. That, and lack of hotel rooms in downtown Memphis are the two majority reasons why Memphis cannot host the NBA All-Star game.
I've been inside several NBA/NHL arenas and they do have more "lower bowl" seating, where the FedEx Forum has more upper bowl seating. I can understand why they believe there is a reason renovate the arena. I just don't know how.

Does the city have a commitment from the Grizzlies beyond '29 based upon making these improvements?

To my knowledge, No. I don't think the Grizzlies have said anything regarding to a commitment beyond '29 just yet.
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(02-07-2023 10:44 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
(02-07-2023 10:21 PM)Crazier Wrote:  They base crime on population percentage now. For example Memphis had 302 homicides in 2022 and Houston had 433 homicides in 2022. Measure crime based on population percentage and it makes smaller cities seem more dangerous and bigger cities more safe. Guarantee Chicago and Los Angeles beat us in homicides per year. Got to keep the tourism money flowing. I'd take a scroll in the most dangerous neighborhood in Memphis before I would walk in a medium dangerous neighborhood in Chicago and Los Angeles.

Memphis does have high crime, but it's highly isolated. The average person sees very little of it, and it skews the numbers. The metro area itself is very segregated and the experience isn't the same for all segments of the population. Unfortunate, but true. Still, it will be a non-factor if a conference is considering Memphis. Other factors will be far more important.

Unreal that the tristaters will never understand this.

The two distinct parts of the city where the vast majority of violent crime happens are two places where you do not have to be or even travel through if you do not want to.
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money must be coming

it brought herenton out of retirement
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(02-08-2023 09:03 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  money must be coming

it brought herenton out of retirement

Maybe it was a factor, maybe it wasn't. Do I think Strickland had a much better chance than Herenton to get money from the state? Absolutely. Do I think they wouldn't have given any money to Herenton? I don't believe it 100%, but I wouldn't doubt it.

NOT because Strickland is white and Herenton is black. Because Herenton is a POS, and because Herenton wouldn't have been able to, nor would have have cared about putting together a plan for this.

But mostly because he is a POS.
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I don’t have anywhere near enough information to know if this will help with conference realignment, but it certainly cannot hurt. And having a leader in Nashville state that he’s invested in helping us get into a new conference is certainly a hopeful sign.

Because without a doubt, the absolute only thing that matters going forward for Tiger athletics is getting on the righ side of alignment. Otherwise we will die on the vine.
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(02-08-2023 11:34 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  I don’t have anywhere near enough information to know if this will help with conference realignment, but it certainly cannot hurt. And having a leader in Nashville state that he’s invested in helping us get into a new conference is certainly a hopeful sign.

Because without a doubt, the absolute only thing that matters going forward for Tiger athletics is getting on the righ side of alignment. Otherwise we will die on the vine.

Not sure we'll die on the vine, but it'll certainly help the budget to get into a P5.
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