(02-20-2023 10:48 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:29 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:18 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:09 AM)TTT Wrote:  Here's my question. After the PAC 12 takes SMU...what does the AAC do? They've tried getting Army but to no avail. Do they try again? Do they take someon from the SBC? If so, who? CUSA? If so, who? Do they try to get UConn back, possibly as a FB only member?

Army might actually budge this go round. They have been playing better as of late and probably see their ceiling as higher than the Armed Forces Bowl.

If they don't then the AAC tries again to poach from the MWC (and likely fails again).

Once that flops they target one of Georgia State, Texas State, or ODU. Don't know that any of those 3 jump for a partial share in a conference that smells an awful lot like C-USA. Maybe Texas State to be close to the other Texas G5's.

If that falls through then the "market" programs left are Buffalo, MTSU, FIU, and UMass. Each have warts. I actually think that UMass is the dark horse in that race. Adds a sizeable new market to the conference, doesn't makes any waves in the media deals of already signed conferences like the SBC, C-USA, or MAC.

With Umass are you talking football only? Would they put their basketball in AAC?

I think UMass would move all sports. The travel would be worse, but basketball wouldn't be any worse off than in the A-10 from a competitive standpoint.

I can see UMASS and Buffalo to the AAC.

(02-20-2023 10:37 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:09 AM)TTT Wrote:  Here's my question. After the PAC 12 takes SMU...what does the AAC do? They've tried getting Army but to no avail. Do they try again? Do they take someon from the SBC? If so, who? CUSA? If so, who? Do they try to get UConn back, possibly as a FB only member?

Does leaving the Sunbelt for the AAC make financial sense at the moment?

Not being funny I seriously don't know the numbers.

For not Texas State? probably not. You get a little more in media money that is almost entirely going to be eaten up in extra travel costs over all sports. You may sell a few more basketball tickets while Memphis is around, but otherwise, anybody in the AAC doing anything for any SBC program (not Texas State). Not to mention AAC apparently has a condition to grow a budget to some amount ($40MM?) Ga State is already 80% subsidized at $30MM. Do they want to be 95% subsidized?

Georgia State has institutional fit (big city urban university with focus on research) but the athletics isn't in a position to move at all. And potentially, the leadership could just value the SBC membership over what the AAC currently brings.

Texas State could have real tangible benefits from playing UTSA/Rice/UNT every year in every sport. They would be the one i'd be most concerned with leaving.

TXST would have trouble growing the budget as well. Most of ours is also subsidized. And paying the SBC exit fee (whatever it is) wouldn't be seen as ideal.

I think only CUSA teams would move right now. The rest know more change is coming so no point in moving now. Imagine TXST moving to AAC to be with Texas teams and then the the MWC or someone comes in and takes UNT, Rice, and UTSA. TXST is back to where they started in a worse conference. TXST might be on an island but they are in a very secure conference. No need to quickly join a conference where everyone is praying to leave ASAP.

(02-20-2023 12:53 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST would have trouble growing the budget as well. Most of ours is also subsidized. And paying the SBC exit fee (whatever it is) wouldn't be seen as ideal.

I think only CUSA teams would move right now. The rest know more change is coming so no point in moving now. Imagine TXST moving to AAC to be with Texas teams and then the the MWC or someone comes in and takes UNT, Rice, and UTSA. TXST is back to where they started in a worse conference. TXST might be on an island but they are in a very secure conference. No need to quickly join a conference where everyone is praying to leave ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better, all the CUSA teams that made promises of increasing their budgets and making investments were lying. So if you want in you just have to say you'll do those things.

(02-20-2023 01:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 12:53 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST would have trouble growing the budget as well. Most of ours is also subsidized. And paying the SBC exit fee (whatever it is) wouldn't be seen as ideal.

I think only CUSA teams would move right now. The rest know more change is coming so no point in moving now. Imagine TXST moving to AAC to be with Texas teams and then the the MWC or someone comes in and takes UNT, Rice, and UTSA. TXST is back to where they started in a worse conference. TXST might be on an island but they are in a very secure conference. No need to quickly join a conference where everyone is praying to leave ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better, all the CUSA teams that made promises of increasing their budgets and making investments were lying. So if you want in you just have to say you'll do those things.

you said the quiet part out loud.

(02-20-2023 03:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 01:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 12:53 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST would have trouble growing the budget as well. Most of ours is also subsidized. And paying the SBC exit fee (whatever it is) wouldn't be seen as ideal.

I think only CUSA teams would move right now. The rest know more change is coming so no point in moving now. Imagine TXST moving to AAC to be with Texas teams and then the the MWC or someone comes in and takes UNT, Rice, and UTSA. TXST is back to where they started in a worse conference. TXST might be on an island but they are in a very secure conference. No need to quickly join a conference where everyone is praying to leave ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better, all the CUSA teams that made promises of increasing their budgets and making investments were lying. So if you want in you just have to say you'll do those things.

you said the quiet part out loud.

creative accounting is an art unto itself ...

(02-20-2023 04:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 03:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 01:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 12:53 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST would have trouble growing the budget as well. Most of ours is also subsidized. And paying the SBC exit fee (whatever it is) wouldn't be seen as ideal.

I think only CUSA teams would move right now. The rest know more change is coming so no point in moving now. Imagine TXST moving to AAC to be with Texas teams and then the the MWC or someone comes in and takes UNT, Rice, and UTSA. TXST is back to where they started in a worse conference. TXST might be on an island but they are in a very secure conference. No need to quickly join a conference where everyone is praying to leave ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better, all the CUSA teams that made promises of increasing their budgets and making investments were lying. So if you want in you just have to say you'll do those things.

you said the quiet part out loud.

creative accounting is an art unto itself ...

Charlotte promising to expand a mostly empty stadium is "chef's kiss"!

(02-20-2023 04:46 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 03:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 01:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 12:53 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST would have trouble growing the budget as well. Most of ours is also subsidized. And paying the SBC exit fee (whatever it is) wouldn't be seen as ideal.

I think only CUSA teams would move right now. The rest know more change is coming so no point in moving now. Imagine TXST moving to AAC to be with Texas teams and then the the MWC or someone comes in and takes UNT, Rice, and UTSA. TXST is back to where they started in a worse conference. TXST might be on an island but they are in a very secure conference. No need to quickly join a conference where everyone is praying to leave ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better, all the CUSA teams that made promises of increasing their budgets and making investments were lying. So if you want in you just have to say you'll do those things.

you said the quiet part out loud.

creative accounting is an art unto itself ...

Charlotte promising to expand a mostly empty stadium is "chef's kiss"!

I hope they clean up that damn creek.

(02-20-2023 04:53 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:46 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 03:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 01:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  If it makes you feel any better, all the CUSA teams that made promises of increasing their budgets and making investments were lying. So if you want in you just have to say you'll do those things.

you said the quiet part out loud.

creative accounting is an art unto itself ...

Charlotte promising to expand a mostly empty stadium is "chef's kiss"!

I hope they clean up that damn creek.

I wonder if they house the homeless in the CLT baggage area to gain higher viewrship ...

(02-20-2023 12:07 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:37 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:09 AM)TTT Wrote:  Here's my question. After the PAC 12 takes SMU...what does the AAC do? They've tried getting Army but to no avail. Do they try again? Do they take someon from the SBC? If so, who? CUSA? If so, who? Do they try to get UConn back, possibly as a FB only member?

Does leaving the Sunbelt for the AAC make financial sense at the moment?

Not being funny I seriously don't know the numbers.

For not Texas State? probably not. You get a little more in media money that is almost entirely going to be eaten up in extra travel costs over all sports. You may sell a few more basketball tickets while Memphis is around, but otherwise, anybody in the AAC doing anything for any SBC program (not Texas State). Not to mention AAC apparently has a condition to grow a budget to some amount ($40MM?) Ga State is already 80% subsidized at $30MM. Do they want to be 95% subsidized?

Georgia State has institutional fit (big city urban university with focus on research) but the athletics isn't in a position to move at all. And potentially, the leadership could just value the SBC membership over what the AAC currently brings.

Texas State could have real tangible benefits from playing UTSA/Rice/UNT every year in every sport. They would be the one i'd be most concerned with leaving.

Ga state would find a way.

Luxury the rest of us can't afford is the ability to print money.

Kinda leads me to my next point. We have Atlanta on the schedule with their fair share of P5 noteworthy wins and recent MBB success. That's a lot of millions and recruits that enjoy getting recognized. A second noteworthy small town U as well in Georgia with a nice presence rounding out Ga with no real threat. Texas state and dominance in all sports with the exception of football outstanding facilities and long term potential. Louisiana Mississippi hard on the rise South Alabama in Mobile South and North Carolina and the Virginias on the schedule all with solid market brands and dominance among peers in their states. We're missing Birmingham maybe and Tampa or Orlando but that's it. Look around and see how easy it would be to enhance the Sun Belt position with the stroke of a pen. The point is stay out of the bottom if your not Texas state or Ga state or make your own list. Gotta keep spending money. Is it easier to move up or negotiate additions or additions by subtraction? Seriously doubt anybody leaves anytime soon. The real estate is to valuable for the health of our programs and the potential for long term success given the recent hypersonic rise.

(02-20-2023 05:50 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 12:07 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:37 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:09 AM)TTT Wrote:  Here's my question. After the PAC 12 takes SMU...what does the AAC do? They've tried getting Army but to no avail. Do they try again? Do they take someon from the SBC? If so, who? CUSA? If so, who? Do they try to get UConn back, possibly as a FB only member?

Does leaving the Sunbelt for the AAC make financial sense at the moment?

Not being funny I seriously don't know the numbers.

For not Texas State? probably not. You get a little more in media money that is almost entirely going to be eaten up in extra travel costs over all sports. You may sell a few more basketball tickets while Memphis is around, but otherwise, anybody in the AAC doing anything for any SBC program (not Texas State). Not to mention AAC apparently has a condition to grow a budget to some amount ($40MM?) Ga State is already 80% subsidized at $30MM. Do they want to be 95% subsidized?

Georgia State has institutional fit (big city urban university with focus on research) but the athletics isn't in a position to move at all. And potentially, the leadership could just value the SBC membership over what the AAC currently brings.

Texas State could have real tangible benefits from playing UTSA/Rice/UNT every year in every sport. They would be the one i'd be most concerned with leaving.

Ga state would find a way.

Luxury the rest of us can't afford is the ability to print money.

Kinda leads me to my next point. We have Atlanta on the schedule with their fair share of P5 noteworthy wins and recent MBB success. That's a lot of millions and recruits that enjoy getting recognized. A second noteworthy small town U as well in Georgia with a nice presence rounding out Ga with no real threat. Texas state and dominance in all sports with the exception of football outstanding facilities and long term potential. Louisiana Mississippi hard on the rise South Alabama in Mobile South and North Carolina and the Virginias on the schedule all with solid market brands and dominance among peers in their states. We're missing Birmingham maybe and Tampa or Orlando but that's it. Look around and see how easy it would be to enhance the Sun Belt position with the stroke of a pen. The point is stay out of the bottom if your not Texas state or Ga state or make your own list. Gotta keep spending money. Is it easier to move up or negotiate additions or additions by subtraction? Seriously doubt anybody leaves anytime soon. The real estate is to valuable for the health of our programs and the potential for long term success given the recent hypersonic rise.

it's taken awhile ... more are starting to understand the value of talent + footprint - academia hobgoblins = better for the whole ... football/hoops are lagging in any economic metric to achieve full potential ... it's coming, boys and Catmommies ...

honestly, it's going to be fun watching it evolve by 203x ('course, I may be worm fodder by then) ...