(01-29-2023 02:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 04:23 AM)Buckeye22 Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 08:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe San Diego St’s numbers work out in such a way that they pull their weight financially, but is there a #12 that will as well?

I don’t think SMU, UNLV, or Fresno St do.

Maybe they get a little wild and offer San Diego St a slot and then Hawaii as a fb only. This would lessen the dilutive effect and fb only Hawaii is a lot easier to cut loose, plus it means Hawaii and 8 of the 11 others get to play in week 0.

Gonzaga all sports with Hawaii FB sounds like a decent idea honestly.

To be honest, that is a pairing I have been intrigued by. However, Gonzaga hasn't been all that dominant in league play this season and the questions of Gonzaga after Few leaves should not be discounted.

Gonzaga lost 1 game by 1 point to a quality team, that's not that unusual for them. They'll be closer to a 5 seed than a 1 seed this year, but, historically, that's not that unusual for them. They've been at the absolute peak for the past 4 years and have a bunch of former players from those teams playing professionally now, even for Few it's hard to stay there without rebuilding a little bit.

While it's true that Few will retire at some point, the very fact that Gonzaga has given him the resources to stay and continue to thrive should give any potential new Conference confidence that they'll continue to be relevant long after he leaves.

They have some very close scores this year, teams they normally trounce.

I have read via Bob Thompson that Washington and Washington St. would block the addition of Gonzaga to the PAC.

(01-29-2023 12:32 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 10:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe it's because I'm not on the west coast, but I do not get the appeal of SDST for the nPAC. I mean sure, if the nPAC loses yet more schools, such that it literally needs warm bodies to technically remain an NCAA football conference, then sure, SDST would be at or near the top of the list.

But sans that kind of pure desperation mode? I don't see the appeal. San Diego State has never done anything in that "market".

This, despite having no NFL competition the last five years. And, they opened a brand-new stadium this past season, did well at home, going 5-2, and yet despite some predictions that every game would be sold out, averaged just 22,000 actual fans in the stands in the 33,000 seat stadium. There is nothing about any of this that IMO says "P5".

When people talk about my USF's lousy attendance, some say things like "well USF has to compete with the NFL Bucs", and "well, USF needs their own stadium" as major barriers to expanding our fan base and attendance.

SDST has actually had both of those alleged major barriers removed - the NFL is gone and they have their own stadium. And yet ...

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...it%20go%3F

They sold 83% of the seats for the season. Unfortunately, they had a very down season and were terrible offensive for the first few games. OB play was atrocious. Finally found a QB and offense got better. Have made some big coaching changes this offseason on offense.

They are also looking at their ticket prices. New stadium, growing pains are expected.

San Diego, like the rest of California, is a place where you have to win to put butts in the seats. SDSU routinely sells out their 12,214 seat arena for MBB and the Padres were 5th in attendance last year (3rd the year before). UCLA's BB attendance is about half of SDSU's despite their history.

Aztecs wide receivers coach Hunkie Cooper dismissed
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...-dismissed

Aztecs name former QB Ryan Lindley offensive coordinator as Jeff Horton retires
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...brady-hoke

Aztecs hiring two former UNLV assistants to fill vacant coaching roles
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...nsive-line

Longtime Pac-12 assistant Ron Gould expected to join Aztecs as running backs coach
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...resa-gould

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

(01-29-2023 07:06 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 02:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 04:23 AM)Buckeye22 Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 08:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe San Diego St’s numbers work out in such a way that they pull their weight financially, but is there a #12 that will as well?

I don’t think SMU, UNLV, or Fresno St do.

Maybe they get a little wild and offer San Diego St a slot and then Hawaii as a fb only. This would lessen the dilutive effect and fb only Hawaii is a lot easier to cut loose, plus it means Hawaii and 8 of the 11 others get to play in week 0.

Gonzaga all sports with Hawaii FB sounds like a decent idea honestly.

To be honest, that is a pairing I have been intrigued by. However, Gonzaga hasn't been all that dominant in league play this season and the questions of Gonzaga after Few leaves should not be discounted.

Gonzaga lost 1 game by 1 point to a quality team, that's not that unusual for them. They'll be closer to a 5 seed than a 1 seed this year, but, historically, that's not that unusual for them. They've been at the absolute peak for the past 4 years and have a bunch of former players from those teams playing professionally now, even for Few it's hard to stay there without rebuilding a little bit.

While it's true that Few will retire at some point, the very fact that Gonzaga has given him the resources to stay and continue to thrive should give any potential new Conference confidence that they'll continue to be relevant long after he leaves.

They have some very close scores this year, teams they normally trounce.

I have read via Bob Thompson that Washington and Washington St. would block the addition of Gonzaga to the PAC.

If both of the in-state schools don't want them then they're not joining the Pac. Of course, that could just be misdirection to cool the big 12's interest in them. And it would also be typical Pac behavior, why add a school that can help your bottom line when you can instead push for Fresno or UNLV, or nobody at all. All is well in Pac-land, someone a few minutes ago told me in another thread that their deal is going to better than the big 12's and they don't need to add any schools. Yep. All good. Future is bright. Etc.

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

Oh man, if that's true then Poster is going to lose his mind. He has been trashing Dan Patrick for months for his "SDSU could be announced in the Pac as soon as next week"...I think he said that back in October in fact.

(01-29-2023 07:06 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 02:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 04:23 AM)Buckeye22 Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 08:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe San Diego St’s numbers work out in such a way that they pull their weight financially, but is there a #12 that will as well?

I don’t think SMU, UNLV, or Fresno St do.

Maybe they get a little wild and offer San Diego St a slot and then Hawaii as a fb only. This would lessen the dilutive effect and fb only Hawaii is a lot easier to cut loose, plus it means Hawaii and 8 of the 11 others get to play in week 0.

Gonzaga all sports with Hawaii FB sounds like a decent idea honestly.

To be honest, that is a pairing I have been intrigued by. However, Gonzaga hasn't been all that dominant in league play this season and the questions of Gonzaga after Few leaves should not be discounted.

Gonzaga lost 1 game by 1 point to a quality team, that's not that unusual for them. They'll be closer to a 5 seed than a 1 seed this year, but, historically, that's not that unusual for them. They've been at the absolute peak for the past 4 years and have a bunch of former players from those teams playing professionally now, even for Few it's hard to stay there without rebuilding a little bit.

While it's true that Few will retire at some point, the very fact that Gonzaga has given him the resources to stay and continue to thrive should give any potential new Conference confidence that they'll continue to be relevant long after he leaves.

They have some very close scores this year, teams they normally trounce.

I have read via Bob Thompson that Washington and Washington St. would block the addition of Gonzaga to the PAC.

Gonzaga has wins over Alabama, Xavier, Michigan State and Kentucky. They still have a very good team. The only thing that really matters for a team like Gonzaga is the NCAA Tournament. Besides, a couple losses can be good for a team, and every team in college basketball is going through that experience this season.

Bob Thompson may be right. I can't imagine that either school is thrilled to have them in the conference. On the other hand, the Pac-12 is losing a great Olympic sports school in UCLA and Gonzaga would help. They have a top 25 men's and women's basketball program, and their men's baseball team was ranked in the top 25 last season. They bring a needed men's soccer team to the conference. They also bring a men's rowing team to the Pac-12 team, for whatever that is worth.

(01-29-2023 08:12 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

If it’s just San Diego St, I’d like the MWC to go all-in with AAC West schools by adding Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and UTSA to get to 16.

If it’s San Diego St and SMU, for example, the the same set up above but substitute North Texas.

If Tulane refuses to jump West, then I’d like Navy as #16.

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
West: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Rice, SMU(1), Tulane(2), Tulsa, UTSA
(1) or North Texas
(2) or Navy*
* Football-Only

(01-29-2023 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 04:32 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 10:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 08:52 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 05:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  I really can’t imagine PAC expansion not being dilutive, but whatever.


The 11 team conference is an especially odd idea. You have to give one team a bye every week, you can’t have nine conference games and you can’t go back to divisions. (Which the PAC has gotten rid of anyway.) The whole reason why the Big 10 went to 11 was because the 11th team was Penn State, and they hoped the 12th team would be Notre Dame. The current realignment chaos began at least in part because 11 was such an odd number for the Big Ten, and they had come to realize Notre Dame wasn’t joining.

You seem to be skipping over the fact that at the time that the Big Ten expanded to 12, 12 was required to have a CCG.

If prospective media partner say what they will give a PAC-10+1 playing eight conference games is more than 11/12th of what they will give a PAC-10+2 playing nine conference games, then that'd work fine. If the PAC-10+1 gets less than 11/12th of what the PAC-10+2 gets, than add two.

That part isn't really rocket science.

Thing is, the PAC-10 with a full round robin is 45 conference games. A PAC-10+1 stepping down to eight conference games is 44 conference games. A PAC-10+2 at 9 conference games each is 54 conference games. The OOC game values are too uncertain to carry much weight on the contract (which is why the Alliance concept was probably a value-add for 2 out of 3 potential partners), so it seems likely it's between the PAC-10 and the PAC-10+2, depending on whether the inventory is needed to satisfy to media partners with the prospective value of their picks.

The bolded part is the reason an 11 team PAC is problematic. You can't have 11 schools play 9 conference games each, because you can't have 1/2 of a conference game.

A possible solution to that problem, if you don't really want to add a 12th team but you do want to add SDSU to have a southern California presence, is to have one PAC team schedule a game at Hawaii each year on a rotating basis which is designated as a conference game so you have 50 conference games a year.

The team that plays at Hawaii gets a 13th game, and the Hawaii game doesn't have to be in Week 0. That week could be used as a true conference game in a week where the league gets maximum exposure because of little competition. If the other PAC schools don't want to be part of a rotation, then just make SDSU playing that 50th conference game at Hawaii every year as a condition of getting promoted to the P5.

As for the stadium size in Hawaii, it really doesn't matter to the PAC because very few fans of visiting teams are going to travel there anyway.

Another solution is to have one team play a 10th game. Before the season starts pull a game from a hat, and stick it in an envelope inside a locked safe. Pull it out at the end of the season a remove that game from the record for purposes of determining the CCG teams. The game could still be used for tie-breaking.

Or simply have one team play a 10th game and use percentage to determine CCG teams. If Colorado is 2-8 or WSU 5-5 it doesn't matter. The PAC-12 had a three-way tie for second this season. If Utah, Washington, or Oregon were 8-2 instead of 7-2 they get the CCG.

This won’t happen. It’s total message board land thinking that schools and conferences would be cool with having one school play a different number of conference games than everyone else (whether more or less). That’s not a viable solution.

If the Pac-12 goes to 11 schools, then they’ll have 8 conference games (which is what Kliavkoff has wanted in the first place).

Kliavkoff wanted 8 games so they could have more games with the "Alliance". Do you think the B1G is going to drop back to eight games?

OOC for the Pac-12 is basically one game against Big Sky (FCS), one game against Mountain West, and one game against P5 (4 BXII, 3 SEC, 3 B1G, and 2 ND)

They can have 44 PAC 12 games, and maybe 11 more OOC home games - against G5, or 5 OOC home games against maybe P5 teams - who are going to want H-and-H.

Or you can have 50 PAC 12 games, and the same inventory of OOC games.

The PAC is selling content. PAC-12 conference games are worth more than what you can replace it with because the PAC-12 is relatively isolated (that is why their FCS games are almost all Big Sky, and their G5 games are against the Mountain West.

So let's work out a schedule. Northwest Pod (4 schools), Southwest Pod (4 schools), and California (3 schools). Play everyone in your pod. Northwest Pod needs 24 more games, Southwest Pod needs 24 more games, California Pod needs 21 more games. Add a game for SDSU. California Pod needs 22 more games.

California splits its 22 games, 11 against the Northwest and 11 against the Southwest.

Northwest v Southwest 13 games.

3 teams play 3 teams in the opposite Pod (skip one and rotate over 4 years). The other two teams play all four schools in the opposite POD.

3 teams in NW Pod need 3 games against California Pod (all three schools)
3 teams in SW Pod need 3 games against California Pod (all three schools)

1 team in NW Pod needs 2 games against California Pod (skip either Cal or Stanford)
1 team in SW Pod needs 2 games against California Pod (skip either Stanford or Cal).

Example: schools skip one opponent each season:

Washington-Colorado
WSU-Utah
Oregon-Arizona
OSU-Cal
Arizona State-Stanford

(01-30-2023 02:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:12 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

If it’s just San Diego St, I’d like the MWC to go all-in with AAC West schools by adding Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and UTSA to get to 16.

If it’s San Diego St and SMU, for example, the the same set up above but substitute North Texas.

If Tulane refuses to jump West, then I’d like Navy as #16.

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
West: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Rice, SMU(1), Tulane(2), Tulsa, UTSA
(1) or North Texas
(2) or Navy*
* Football-Only

lol… no one is leaving the AAC to the MWC. Thanks for the Monday morning laugh.

(01-30-2023 03:33 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  ... Kliavkoff wanted 8 games so they could have more games with the "Alliance". Do you think the B1G is going to drop back to eight games? ...

Yes, the "Alliance" could well have got media consultants basically telling them it was boosting the value of two of the conferences and watering down the value of the other one, which would have been when the Big Ten said "OK, well, we gave it a serious look like you asked us to, but we're out."

(01-30-2023 07:51 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 02:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:12 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

If it’s just San Diego St, I’d like the MWC to go all-in with AAC West schools by adding Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and UTSA to get to 16.

If it’s San Diego St and SMU, for example, the the same set up above but substitute North Texas.

If Tulane refuses to jump West, then I’d like Navy as #16.

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
West: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Rice, SMU(1), Tulane(2), Tulsa, UTSA
(1) or North Texas
(2) or Navy*
* Football-Only

lol… no one is leaving the AAC to the MWC. Thanks for the Monday morning laugh.

I dunno. never say never.

If those schools moving resulted in a better media deal for the MWC, it could be possible.

Southern Methodist to the Pac 12 seems like a reach to me. SMU would be a distant island, and for what? SMU isn't the first or second or third or fourth strongest athletic department in Texas. Plus, it's a private school, and while it may be a very good private school, it isn't Stanford.

It seems to me Nevada-Las Vegas, Boise State, or Hawaii would be more logical plays. Las Vegas has a lot of market potential, Boise State has some great football tradition, and trips to Hawaii would thrill Pac 12 student athletes.

(01-30-2023 08:34 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 07:51 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 02:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:12 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

If it’s just San Diego St, I’d like the MWC to go all-in with AAC West schools by adding Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and UTSA to get to 16.

If it’s San Diego St and SMU, for example, the the same set up above but substitute North Texas.

If Tulane refuses to jump West, then I’d like Navy as #16.

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
West: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Rice, SMU(1), Tulane(2), Tulsa, UTSA
(1) or North Texas
(2) or Navy*
* Football-Only

lol… no one is leaving the AAC to the MWC. Thanks for the Monday morning laugh.

I dunno. never say never.

If those schools moving resulted in a better media deal for the MWC, it could be possible.

Especially if it resulted in a better deal for the MWC than the AAC's deal. But that's no sure thing. However, keep in mind that the AAC would be down to 9 members and might not command the kind of deal they currently have.

This is what I would see as the MWC East division (listed in order of their 5 year average Sagarin rating):

Air Force, Navy, SMU, Tulane, Colorado State, UTSA, New Mexico and Rice.

I believe that would be acceptable to both service academies: it keeps AFA's nearest rivals in CSU and New Mexico, and ensures that Navy plays in Texas every year. It also gives both AFA and Navy an additional OOC game every year.

The MWC West division would then be:

Boise St, Fresno St, Utah St, Wyoming, Nevada, Hawaii, UNLV and San Jose St.

What it wouldn't do is kill the AAC (or SBC) as legitimate contenders for a CFP autobid. And that's not a bad thing, IMO.

(01-30-2023 09:16 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 08:34 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 07:51 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 02:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:12 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

If it’s just San Diego St, I’d like the MWC to go all-in with AAC West schools by adding Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and UTSA to get to 16.

If it’s San Diego St and SMU, for example, the the same set up above but substitute North Texas.

If Tulane refuses to jump West, then I’d like Navy as #16.

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
West: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Rice, SMU(1), Tulane(2), Tulsa, UTSA
(1) or North Texas
(2) or Navy*
* Football-Only

lol… no one is leaving the AAC to the MWC. Thanks for the Monday morning laugh.

I dunno. never say never.

If those schools moving resulted in a better media deal for the MWC, it could be possible.

Especially if it resulted in a better deal for the MWC than the AAC's deal. But that's no sure thing. However, keep in mind that the AAC would be down to 9 members and might not command the kind of deal they currently have.

This is what I would see as the MWC East division (listed in order of their 5 year average Sagarin rating):

Air Force, Navy, SMU, Tulane, Colorado State, UTSA, New Mexico and Rice.

I believe that would be acceptable to both service academies: it keeps AFA's nearest rivals in CSU and New Mexico, and ensures that Navy plays in Texas every year. It also gives both AFA and Navy an additional OOC game every year.

The MWC West division would then be:

Boise St, Fresno St, Utah St, Wyoming, Nevada, Hawaii, UNLV and San Jose St.

What it wouldn't do is kill the AAC (or SBC) as legitimate contenders for a CFP autobid. And that's not a bad thing, IMO.

Intriguing.

At first glance, I was thinking that adding Navy was a bit far away from its home, but being football-only, that's probably less of an issue for them.

They could do this, even if SDSU doesn't leave. With 2 football-only schools, there's room for 2 more schools. Tulsa or North Texas, or whomever, for the other one.

I wonder if Gonzaga - if they don't get a PAC or B12 invite - would join this conference. Same question with Wichita state...

(01-29-2023 08:12 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

These sources have any indication if that invite was a sole invite OR if a 12th team was extended an invite as well?

Edit: was supposed to say Or if a 12th team would be invited

No, just that the Aztecs have an invitation. One of the sources, who worked in the SDSU administration office, says SDSU has been contacted by the B12 as well. One poster on here with some other connections says that SMU would be the 12th school which makes sense since the WA schools don't want Gonzaga.

(01-29-2023 10:47 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 07:06 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 02:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 04:23 AM)Buckeye22 Wrote:  Gonzaga all sports with Hawaii FB sounds like a decent idea honestly.

To be honest, that is a pairing I have been intrigued by. However, Gonzaga hasn't been all that dominant in league play this season and the questions of Gonzaga after Few leaves should not be discounted.

Gonzaga lost 1 game by 1 point to a quality team, that's not that unusual for them. They'll be closer to a 5 seed than a 1 seed this year, but, historically, that's not that unusual for them. They've been at the absolute peak for the past 4 years and have a bunch of former players from those teams playing professionally now, even for Few it's hard to stay there without rebuilding a little bit.

While it's true that Few will retire at some point, the very fact that Gonzaga has given him the resources to stay and continue to thrive should give any potential new Conference confidence that they'll continue to be relevant long after he leaves.

They have some very close scores this year, teams they normally trounce.

I have read via Bob Thompson that Washington and Washington St. would block the addition of Gonzaga to the PAC.

If both of the in-state schools don't want them then they're not joining the Pac. Of course, that could just be misdirection to cool the big 12's interest in them. And it would also be typical Pac behavior, why add a school that can help your bottom line when you can instead push for Fresno or UNLV, or nobody at all. All is well in Pac-land, someone a few minutes ago told me in another thread that their deal is going to better than the big 12's and they don't need to add any schools. Yep. All good. Future is bright. Etc.

BB doesn't drive the bus, however. Gonzaga doesn't have much leverage. They also may be using this time to get even a sweeter deal from their conference. They used the MWC invitation the last time.

(01-29-2023 10:49 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:22 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 06:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So how come the P12 hasn't added them yet? They should sit still at ten to help the individual schools' paychecks...

I have three sources, all with good inside information, that the invite from the PAC was made back in October. It will not be announced, however, until after the media deal is finalized.

Oh man, if that's true then Poster is going to lose his mind. He has been trashing Dan Patrick for months for his "SDSU could be announced in the Pac as soon as next week"...I think he said that back in October in fact.

SDSU's AD is JD Wicker, an alumni of Mississippi St. When the AD job at MSt came up he was contacted but declined to interview. He must know something or really, really likes the weather in San Diego.

I have been told that the announcement would have been in November, but then the UCBOR intervened which delayed everything into the New Year. Not sure if the UCLA to Cal "subsidy" payment has created more issues that need to be resolved.

(01-30-2023 12:26 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 07:06 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 02:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 12:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 04:23 AM)Buckeye22 Wrote:  Gonzaga all sports with Hawaii FB sounds like a decent idea honestly.

To be honest, that is a pairing I have been intrigued by. However, Gonzaga hasn't been all that dominant in league play this season and the questions of Gonzaga after Few leaves should not be discounted.

Gonzaga lost 1 game by 1 point to a quality team, that's not that unusual for them. They'll be closer to a 5 seed than a 1 seed this year, but, historically, that's not that unusual for them. They've been at the absolute peak for the past 4 years and have a bunch of former players from those teams playing professionally now, even for Few it's hard to stay there without rebuilding a little bit.

While it's true that Few will retire at some point, the very fact that Gonzaga has given him the resources to stay and continue to thrive should give any potential new Conference confidence that they'll continue to be relevant long after he leaves.

They have some very close scores this year, teams they normally trounce.

I have read via Bob Thompson that Washington and Washington St. would block the addition of Gonzaga to the PAC.

Gonzaga has wins over Alabama, Xavier, Michigan State and Kentucky. They still have a very good team. The only thing that really matters for a team like Gonzaga is the NCAA Tournament. Besides, a couple losses can be good for a team, and every team in college basketball is going through that experience this season.

Bob Thompson may be right. I can't imagine that either school is thrilled to have them in the conference. On the other hand, the Pac-12 is losing a great Olympic sports school in UCLA and Gonzaga would help. They have a top 25 men's and women's basketball program, and their men's baseball team was ranked in the top 25 last season. They bring a needed men's soccer team to the conference. They also bring a men's rowing team to the Pac-12 team, for whatever that is worth.

They are still a good team, just pointing out they have had a number of close games in conference.

UNLV?

(01-30-2023 12:07 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  UNLV?

I’m beyond skeptical of UNLV. They are one of the historically worst teams in FBS, and even their basketball glory days are long gone. They last made the NCAA tournament in 2013, and last made the Round of 32 in 2008.

I never saw anybody suggest UNLV (except for possibly DavidSt) until their AD announced some hope of moving to the PAC last week. I think that was just a stupid, pipe dream statement from their AD.


To top it all off, I think the only reason why the Runnin Rebels might be able to get past the California woke mob is because a lot of people don’t realize that actually is a reference to the Confederacy since they’re located in Nevada.