(02-23-2023 12:15 PM)Sleepy Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 11:07 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  

(02-22-2023 11:24 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(02-22-2023 08:54 PM)Sleepy Wrote:  Briggs: Toledo's former basketball nemesis offers horrifying blueprint on winning at any cost

"Judging by the allegations — and Oats’ own aloof comments — the powerhouse Crimson Tide are providing a truly win-at-any-cost map to the darkest, most cynical depths of big-time college sports."

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/20...0230221132

Surprise, surprise.... That's the Alabama/SEC way.

There's a bit of truth to it. Certainly, Oats has not handled the situation very well and having two guys on your team involved in a senseless murder says something. Although Miller's role seems accidental with the info released today. He was on his way to pick up a teammate who then asked him to grab his gun. Miller didn't have any specific indication it was going to be used to shoot someone and Alabama like most states now has made the carrying and transport of guns as easy and unregulated as possible. Perfectly normal in some places for 19 year olds to be sharing firearms like pizza. The New Mexico St/New Mexico shooting is just as bad and while that kid got kicked off the team he isn't going to jail. Putting yourself in a dangerous situation and shooting your way out of it is acceptable to a lot of Americans these days. Oats wants a national title and this might be his best shot. It's gonna take even more bodies for him to back off now.

Going for the 1990s - 2000s Miami Hurricanes approach...win at any cost.

Considering that there is a murder involved, at a minimum, Miller should be suspended pending an investigation.

Yes, Kent suspended several of their players for the biggest game of the year last season for that tasteless video that went viral. It's not like what those Kent players did caused harm and it certainly wasn't illegal. Kent suspended them because it gave their program a bad look and they wanted to show they don't condone that behavior.

I'm not saying Miller deserves to be suspended long-term, but there should definitely be some sort of disciplinary action for delivering someone a murder weapon. It brought unnecessary attention to the program and gives the school a bad look.

(02-23-2023 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  Alabama like most states now has made the carrying and transport of guns as easy and unregulated as possible. Perfectly normal in some places for 19 year olds to be sharing firearms like pizza.... Putting yourself in a dangerous situation and shooting your way out of it is acceptable to a lot of Americans these days.

To your point, the West Virginia legislature is about to allow concealed carry at West Virginia and Marshall over the objection of those universities' presidents.

This won't end well.

BTW, we have discussed this on the EMU board, as well. One point I made is that THREE Alabama players were involved/at the scene. One was the shooter. One conveyed the gun. And a third a teammate present, but apparently not involved in any known way.

Not good to have 3 scholarship athletes involved in such a tragic incident.

EDIT: three is the correct number but Miles did not pull the trigger. Miller conveyed the gun and one other player was present.

Milles is apparently in as much trouble as the shooter. I'll have to re-read the story.

(02-25-2023 12:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, we have discussed this on the EMU board, as well. One point I made is that THREE Alabama players were involved/at the scene. One was the shooter. One conveyed the gun. And a third a teammate present, but apparently not involved in any known way.

Not good to have 3 scholarship athletes involved in such a tragic incident.

The alleged shooter was NOT an Alabama basketball player, past or present. He apparently was a friend of Darius Miles, the Bama player-owner of the gun used in the murder that Miller conveyed to him in his car.

(02-25-2023 04:25 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(02-25-2023 12:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, we have discussed this on the EMU board, as well. One point I made is that THREE Alabama players were involved/at the scene. One was the shooter. One conveyed the gun. And a third a teammate present, but apparently not involved in any known way.

Not good to have 3 scholarship athletes involved in such a tragic incident.

The alleged shooter was NOT an Alabama basketball player, past or present. He apparently was a friend of Darius Miles, the Bama player-owner of the gun used in the murder that Miller conveyed to him in his car.

that's what the story is right now, although it's a bit of a he said he said situation as the Alabama player who owned the gun and requested it be brought to the scene was involved and was initially identified as the shooter but claims his friend was the one who pulled the trigger. 3 players involved, totally unnecessary death, they each deserve presumption of innocence, but clearly all were involved in turning a minor argument into a murder scene, although each player's specific role is TBD.

Interesting to contrast this w Bates at EMU who was charged and suspended for having his father's gun in his dad's car which he was driving and was not involved in any harm to anyone and did not use the gun in any way and told the cop who stopped him that it was in the vehicle. Bates was eventually cleared but it was a process.

Like another poster said this is not going to end well. I got no problem w using firearms for hunting or responsible people owning one for emergency situations. What's happening now is every other person who doesn't have the confidence to handle a conflict intelligently thinks they need gun in their belt or glove box. Add to that millions of guns in the hands of knuckleheads and irresponsible or violent people and we get what we got.

Again, there were only two Alabama basketball players involved in the incident, not three. The third person (alleged shooter) was not a player.

As Jay Bilas said, Miller was a witness, not a suspect. And he has rights too.

(02-25-2023 05:03 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Again, there were only two Alabama basketball players involved in the incident, not three. The third person (alleged shooter) was not a player.

As Jay Bilas said, Miller was a witness, not a suspect. And he has rights too.

Yes, he does have rights, and with those rights he is not in jail. Being on a college basketball team is not a right, it is a privilege.

(02-25-2023 05:03 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Again, there were only two Alabama basketball players involved in the incident, not three. The third person (alleged shooter) was not a player.

As Jay Bilas said, Miller was a witness, not a suspect. And he has rights too.

"only two"

(02-25-2023 09:32 PM)Sleepy Wrote:  

(02-25-2023 05:03 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Again, there were only two Alabama basketball players involved in the incident, not three. The third person (alleged shooter) was not a player.

As Jay Bilas said, Miller was a witness, not a suspect. And he has rights too.

"only two"

Two previous posters claimed there were three. Just trying to keep the facts - which are bad enough - straight.

(02-25-2023 07:02 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-25-2023 05:03 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Again, there were only two Alabama basketball players involved in the incident, not three. The third person (alleged shooter) was not a player.

As Jay Bilas said, Miller was a witness, not a suspect. And he has rights too.

Yes, he does have rights, and with those rights he is not in jail. Being on a college basketball team is not a right, it is a privilege.

Why should his privilege be taken away when he was determined to not be guilty of any wrong-doing in the investigation by local authorities?

In addition to being a top-notch CBB commentator, Jay Bilas is an attorney. I'll lean towards his perspective rather than message board posters climbing over themselves in a rush to judgment.

(02-26-2023 08:31 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(02-25-2023 09:32 PM)Sleepy Wrote:  

(02-25-2023 05:03 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Again, there were only two Alabama basketball players involved in the incident, not three. The third person (alleged shooter) was not a player.

As Jay Bilas said, Miller was a witness, not a suspect. And he has rights too.

"only two"

Two previous posters claimed there were three. Just trying to keep the facts - which are bad enough - straight.

There were three...

Quote:Police also said another Alabama player, guard Jaden Bradley, was at the scene.

https://apnews.com/article/nba-sports-ar...48375a152?

^ That is the first time I've seen or heard Bradley's name mentioned as ("allegedly") being at the scene of the shooting.

It's a shame we can't hold onto our good coaches. Where would we be if we could???

(02-26-2023 07:02 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  It's a shame we can't hold onto our good coaches. Where would we be if we could???

In much bigger cities at schools with much bigger budgets to pay them enough to stay.

(02-26-2023 07:02 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  It's a shame we can't hold onto our good coaches. Where would we be if we could???

Or you can be just awesome enough be top 10 in the nation in wins over the past 3 seasons, keep the status quo, but never achieve the main goal... cough cough Coach K. at UT.

But something feels different in the air these days. Some say chemicals... I say Rocket fuel.