(01-25-2023 04:03 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU has neither a divinity school, a religion degree, nor a theology department. I guess that is not surprising for a church with lay clergy that instead mandates religious coursework for all students.

At the top of the BYU hierarchy are LDS 'apostles,' described in university materials as 'ordained leaders... chosen through inspiration' who 'hold the keys to the priesthood' that have 'come down from heaven.' They view themselves as successors to the original twelve apostles.

https://rsc.byu.edu/latter-day-saint-essentials/apostle

(01-25-2023 04:32 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 04:05 PM)inutech Wrote:  ....
"Demon servants" takes you down a whole new path doesn't it?

The descriptor at Wake Forest ('demon Deacons') has from the beginning employed Merriam-Webster's definition 4.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demon

An enthusiastic servant would be one worth having.

By that definition, you'd hope that most of your Baptist deacons in churches are "demon" deacons (and I've known some that are).

(01-25-2023 01:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  My late Uncle was a Methodist Priest, and he taught at West Virginia Wesleyen and one of the schools in Georgia.

David, Methodists don't have priests. They have ministers.

This thread is moving.

Baptists have ministers. Deacons are laity who assume a responsibility in assisting the congregation (each usually has a list of families to visit and speak with) and they make decisions on a variety of things ranging from local church polity to maintenance. And Green Bison deacons may be ushers, but not all ushers are deacons.

In the Methodist church the terms Deacon and Elder are distinctions in the progression of ordination with the latter having full rights to administer sacraments alone. It really operates more like tenure. There are Diaconal ministers as well and they assume roles of service.

Bill Dazzle, Vanderbilt began as a Methodist Seminary and became non-denominational. Ditto for Duke and essentially Emory. Emory trains pastors for the United Church of Christ, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, and for the Presbyterian Church of the United States, in addition to the United Methodist Church (which shall remain the liberal wing after their current split is completed). The rest are all churches which already split over the issue of sexuality and those are the liberal portions of the split.

You won't find Missouri Synod Lutherans, Presbyterian Church of America, Church of Christ students at that school, though if they wished they may enroll, but the seminary education at Emory would not be recognized by their denominations as those are the conservative portion of those splits.

Baylor and Brigham Young are the schools with seminaries which follow the polity of their denominations for main campus policy. Baylor is Southern Baptist and BYU is of course the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (Mormon).

To Gitanole, Princeton also has a seminary.

Most private universities founded in the 1800's by religious denominations are secular now. If they have seminaries the seminaries are separate in governance from the main campus allowing the scientific method to prevail for undergraduate and graduate studies outside of the seminary.

The ignorance on this board of all of these matters is staggering.

I do not see the PAC 12 accepting Baylor or Brigham Young on the basis of academic freedom. Southern California was established by the Methodist Church, but is secular. T.C.U. was established by the Christian Church but maintains its seminary independent of the main campus. The only thing which would keep TCU out of the PAC 12 would be academic standing.

IMO, this thread could have served a solid purpose for the main board, but then the ignorance of the topic took over so it is in a subforum of the Spin Room. But one in which more serious discussion is expected.

Religious discussions are strictly forbidden on the CS/CR forum. FYI

The Sicatoka and JohninTX Kudos on accurate information.

(01-25-2023 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Baylor is Southern Baptist

Baylor is associated with the state convention (err, one of them - the BGCT), not the SBC.

Its seminary was founded very much as an alternative to the SBC seminaries (including the one right up the road from TCU).

(01-25-2023 06:40 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Baylor is Southern Baptist

Baylor is associated with the state convention (err, one of them - the BGCT, not the SBC).

Its seminary was founded very much as an alternative to the SBC seminaries (including the one right up the road from TCU).

Thank you for that correction. What does the GC stand for? General Convention? Baptists see themselves as independent and most churches determine their own polity. It's actually very Baptist of Baylor not to affiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention as that organization does issue some guidelines which would be considered an impingement on the right of each local church to decide polity.

(01-25-2023 07:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 06:40 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Baylor is Southern Baptist

Baylor is associated with the state convention (err, one of them - the BGCT, not the SBC).

Its seminary was founded very much as an alternative to the SBC seminaries (including the one right up the road from TCU).

Thank you for that correction. What does the GC stand for? General Convention? Baptists see themselves as independent and most churches determine their own polity. It's actually very Baptist of Baylor not to affiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention as that organization does issue some guidelines which would be considered an impingement on the right of each local church to decide polity.

Yes, Baptist General Convention of Texas.

But Baylor was always tied to the state convention (like most Baptist schools). The SBC has six seminaries and a partner one in Canada but even the Baptist schools that are still Baptist (as opposed to your University of Chicagos and Wake Forests and Browns) were mostly created by the state conventions. Higher ed (other than the seminaries) isn't a role for the whole convention.

Truett (the seminary at Baylor) was founded in the early 90s during a period of turmoil in the SBC seminaries. Meant to be an alternative.

SBC itself doesn't really issue edicts. It's opt in for the most part. Most people sitting in the pews barely know much about the various resolutions that come from the (literal) annual convention.

(01-25-2023 11:56 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 07:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 06:40 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Baylor is Southern Baptist

Baylor is associated with the state convention (err, one of them - the BGCT, not the SBC).

Its seminary was founded very much as an alternative to the SBC seminaries (including the one right up the road from TCU).

Thank you for that correction. What does the GC stand for? General Convention? Baptists see themselves as independent and most churches determine their own polity. It's actually very Baptist of Baylor not to affiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention as that organization does issue some guidelines which would be considered an impingement on the right of each local church to decide polity.

Yes, Baptist General Convention of Texas.

But Baylor was always tied to the state convention (like most Baptist schools). The SBC has six seminaries and a partner one in Canada but even the Baptist schools that are still Baptist (as opposed to your University of Chicagos and Wake Forests and Browns) were mostly created by the state conventions. Higher ed (other than the seminaries) isn't a role for the whole convention.

Truett (the seminary at Baylor) was founded in the early 90s during a period of turmoil in the SBC seminaries. Meant to be an alternative.

SBC itself doesn't really issue edicts. It's opt in for the most part. Most people sitting in the pews barely know much about the various resolutions that come from the (literal) annual convention.

First Baptist in Auburn opted out of the SBC because of their requirement over some declarations of their stances on certain issues. It seemed to them to be more of a creed which is anathema to most Baptists. 30 years ago no such issues had arisen at the local church level though they were beginning to be topics in seminaries.