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(01-23-2023 12:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  The top 20. 20 schools have all the AP titles except 2 (Pitt 76, BYU 84) going back 55 years to 1968 (and all from 1961-1967 as well). I've posted this data before, but I've updated with TCU's 2nd place finish which puts them in rather elite company, but they still don't rate top 20.

All of these schools but Oregon and Washington have AP titles. Washington has a coaches title.
All of these schools have at least 5 top 5 finishes. Nobody else has more than 3 and only TCU, Pitt and Arizona St. have 3.
All of these schools have at least 2 top 3 finishes. All but Tennessee have at least 3. Outside the group only TCU has 3 (all in the last dozen years) and only Pitt has 2.

I see a recurring theme here. Perhaps room should be made for Pitt and TCU, eh?
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-23-2023 07:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:16 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  You need brand identity and cohesion. If you get too large you lose it..

The SEC isn't going to need any more football heavyweights in redundant footprints in a decade. The SEC will be perfectly fine targeting UVA and North Carolina to sell basketball Subscriptions for SEC+ at that point.

The SEC has a definite need of a second Florida school, for no other reason than this is an issue for schools in the conference frustrated because they don't have games in Florida.

My suggestion to your observation is that the SEC take North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State, and Kansas. That's 3 new states, 3 of the 4 winningest hoops programs of all time when added to Kentucky, and an extra 4 games a year with which to schedule Florida trips for members.

Let them eat cake JR, those complainers can just go play in Texas.
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-24-2023 08:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 12:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  The top 20. 20 schools have all the AP titles except 2 (Pitt 76, BYU 84) going back 55 years to 1968 (and all from 1961-1967 as well). I've posted this data before, but I've updated with TCU's 2nd place finish which puts them in rather elite company, but they still don't rate top 20.

All of these schools but Oregon and Washington have AP titles. Washington has a coaches title.
All of these schools have at least 5 top 5 finishes. Nobody else has more than 3 and only TCU, Pitt and Arizona St. have 3.
All of these schools have at least 2 top 3 finishes. All but Tennessee have at least 3. Outside the group only TCU has 3 (all in the last dozen years) and only Pitt has 2.

I see a recurring theme here. Perhaps room should be made for Pitt and TCU, eh?

In 1960, Minnesota was a power, but they faded after the Vikings arrived. Pitt's glory days were 75-83. Being ranked the last two years increased the number of years they have been ranked since 1983 to 6 and they haven't made the top 10 since 1982.

And neither TCU or Pitt have gotten to the 5 top 5 finishes that the other 20 schools have. Remains to be seen if TCU can continue or if they only have a dozen or so glory years like Pitt did.
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-24-2023 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:16 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  You need brand identity and cohesion. If you get too large you lose it..

The SEC isn't going to need any more football heavyweights in redundant footprints in a decade. The SEC will be perfectly fine targeting UVA and North Carolina to sell basketball Subscriptions for SEC+ at that point.

The SEC has a definite need of a second Florida school, for no other reason than this is an issue for schools in the conference frustrated because they don't have games in Florida.

My suggestion to your observation is that the SEC take North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State, and Kansas. That's 3 new states, 3 of the 4 winningest hoops programs of all time when added to Kentucky, and an extra 4 games a year with which to schedule Florida trips for members.

Let them eat cake JR, those complainers can just go play in Texas.

I think you know how I feel X. I would add South Florida and build their brand. Networks don't think that way. But USF compliments UF very well and Tampa/St. Pete is a trip SEC fans would make. But alas, right now they don't have the product or the ratings, though with SEC revenue they could get there quickly.
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-24-2023 02:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 08:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 12:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  The top 20. 20 schools have all the AP titles except 2 (Pitt 76, BYU 84) going back 55 years to 1968 (and all from 1961-1967 as well). I've posted this data before, but I've updated with TCU's 2nd place finish which puts them in rather elite company, but they still don't rate top 20.

All of these schools but Oregon and Washington have AP titles. Washington has a coaches title.
All of these schools have at least 5 top 5 finishes. Nobody else has more than 3 and only TCU, Pitt and Arizona St. have 3.
All of these schools have at least 2 top 3 finishes. All but Tennessee have at least 3. Outside the group only TCU has 3 (all in the last dozen years) and only Pitt has 2.

I see a recurring theme here. Perhaps room should be made for Pitt and TCU, eh?

In 1960, Minnesota was a power, but they faded after the Vikings arrived. Pitt's glory days were 75-83. Being ranked the last two years increased the number of years they have been ranked since 1983 to 6 and they haven't made the top 10 since 1982.

And neither TCU or Pitt have gotten to the 5 top 5 finishes that the other 20 schools have. Remains to be seen if TCU can continue or if they only have a dozen or so glory years like Pitt did.

Even Duke was a football power. During Wallace Wade's first coaching stint in Durham, in the 11 years between 1931 and the 1941 season Duke went 85-19-3 and played in two Rose Bowl Games.
His 1941 squad was undefeated and UN-SCORED UPON until the loss to Oregon State in the 1942 Rose Bowl, which was played in Durham instead of Pasadena because of Pearl Harbor.
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-24-2023 02:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:16 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  You need brand identity and cohesion. If you get too large you lose it..

The SEC isn't going to need any more football heavyweights in redundant footprints in a decade. The SEC will be perfectly fine targeting UVA and North Carolina to sell basketball Subscriptions for SEC+ at that point.

The SEC has a definite need of a second Florida school, for no other reason than this is an issue for schools in the conference frustrated because they don't have games in Florida.

My suggestion to your observation is that the SEC take North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State, and Kansas. That's 3 new states, 3 of the 4 winningest hoops programs of all time when added to Kentucky, and an extra 4 games a year with which to schedule Florida trips for members.

Let them eat cake JR, those complainers can just go play in Texas.

I think you know how I feel X. I would add South Florida and build their brand. Networks don't think that way. But USF compliments UF very well and Tampa/St. Pete is a trip SEC fans would make. But alas, right now they don't have the product or the ratings, though with SEC revenue they could get there quickly.

Just send us Vanderbilt, JR.
We get a school that fits, in a new state. You get rid of your weakest link and you can add USF to have a second school in Florida.
Vanderbilt will be able to keep from spending all of the SEC media money on conference mandated upgrades and have their athletes compete against academic peers.
It's a win-win for everybody.
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-24-2023 02:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 02:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:16 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  You need brand identity and cohesion. If you get too large you lose it..

The SEC isn't going to need any more football heavyweights in redundant footprints in a decade. The SEC will be perfectly fine targeting UVA and North Carolina to sell basketball Subscriptions for SEC+ at that point.

The SEC has a definite need of a second Florida school, for no other reason than this is an issue for schools in the conference frustrated because they don't have games in Florida.

My suggestion to your observation is that the SEC take North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State, and Kansas. That's 3 new states, 3 of the 4 winningest hoops programs of all time when added to Kentucky, and an extra 4 games a year with which to schedule Florida trips for members.

Let them eat cake JR, those complainers can just go play in Texas.

I think you know how I feel X. I would add South Florida and build their brand. Networks don't think that way. But USF compliments UF very well and Tampa/St. Pete is a trip SEC fans would make. But alas, right now they don't have the product or the ratings, though with SEC revenue they could get there quickly.

Just send us Vanderbilt, JR.
We get a school that fits, in a new state. You get rid of your weakest link and you can add USF to have a second school in Florida.
Vanderbilt will be able to keep from spending all of the SEC media money on conference mandated upgrades and have their athletes compete against academic peers.
It's a win-win for everybody.

I'll take a merger with the ACC, and you can go root for your beloved Boilermakers, XLance!!!
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RE: Why the SEC and Big should take 4 each and stop
(01-24-2023 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 02:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 08:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 12:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  The top 20. 20 schools have all the AP titles except 2 (Pitt 76, BYU 84) going back 55 years to 1968 (and all from 1961-1967 as well). I've posted this data before, but I've updated with TCU's 2nd place finish which puts them in rather elite company, but they still don't rate top 20.

All of these schools but Oregon and Washington have AP titles. Washington has a coaches title.
All of these schools have at least 5 top 5 finishes. Nobody else has more than 3 and only TCU, Pitt and Arizona St. have 3.
All of these schools have at least 2 top 3 finishes. All but Tennessee have at least 3. Outside the group only TCU has 3 (all in the last dozen years) and only Pitt has 2.

I see a recurring theme here. Perhaps room should be made for Pitt and TCU, eh?

In 1960, Minnesota was a power, but they faded after the Vikings arrived. Pitt's glory days were 75-83. Being ranked the last two years increased the number of years they have been ranked since 1983 to 6 and they haven't made the top 10 since 1982.

And neither TCU or Pitt have gotten to the 5 top 5 finishes that the other 20 schools have. Remains to be seen if TCU can continue or if they only have a dozen or so glory years like Pitt did.

Even Duke was a football power. During Wallace Wade's first coaching stint in Durham, in the 11 years between 1931 and the 1941 season Duke went 85-19-3 and played in two Rose Bowl Games.
His 1941 squad was undefeated and UN-SCORED UPON until the loss to Oregon State in the 1942 Rose Bowl, which was played in Durham instead of Pasadena because of Pearl Harbor.

Which would have been played in Austin, but Texas refused to cancel its last game against Oregon who had almost defeated Oregon St (7-12). They were afraid Texas would lose. Texas won 71-7.
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(01-24-2023 04:58 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 02:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 02:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-24-2023 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The SEC has a definite need of a second Florida school, for no other reason than this is an issue for schools in the conference frustrated because they don't have games in Florida.

My suggestion to your observation is that the SEC take North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State, and Kansas. That's 3 new states, 3 of the 4 winningest hoops programs of all time when added to Kentucky, and an extra 4 games a year with which to schedule Florida trips for members.

Let them eat cake JR, those complainers can just go play in Texas.

I think you know how I feel X. I would add South Florida and build their brand. Networks don't think that way. But USF compliments UF very well and Tampa/St. Pete is a trip SEC fans would make. But alas, right now they don't have the product or the ratings, though with SEC revenue they could get there quickly.

Just send us Vanderbilt, JR.
We get a school that fits, in a new state. You get rid of your weakest link and you can add USF to have a second school in Florida.
Vanderbilt will be able to keep from spending all of the SEC media money on conference mandated upgrades and have their athletes compete against academic peers.
It's a win-win for everybody.

I'll take a merger with the ACC, and you can go root for your beloved Boilermakers, XLance!!!


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I'm not positive where your loyalties lie, but I am a proud graduate of the University of North Carolina.
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