I say no one in this 15 team conference passes the smell test as an at large team.
What say you?

Yes.

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(01-21-2023 04:25 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  Yes.

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I agree. I think the Loyola add was a gigantic disaster. They may be the worst team in all of D-1.

I just noted the Dayton game in the laughable scores thread. Dayton was lurking in the NET mid-60's. I don't think the loss will see them tumble off a ledge, but 0-5 in Q1/2 games and two losses in the Q3/4 range is nothing to reward.

VCU? Maybe? 3-3 Q1/2 is...meh. That turd against Jacksonville, though.

SLU...the Providence win helps, but the Memphis one isn't as great. 2-4 Q1/2...bleh.

(01-21-2023 04:36 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I just noted the Dayton game in the laughable scores thread. Dayton was lurking in the NET mid-60's. I don't think the loss will see them tumble off a ledge, but 0-5 in Q1/2 games and two losses in the Q3/4 range is nothing to reward.

VCU? Maybe? 3-3 Q1/2 is...meh. That turd against Jacksonville, though.

SLU...the Providence win helps, but the Memphis one isn't as great. 2-4 Q1/2...bleh.

There’s a bit of a stench coming off that Dayton loss today for sure.

It's been trending this way for the last couple of years. Another multi-bid conference shifts to only 1 perennially.

(01-21-2023 04:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 04:25 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  Yes.

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I agree. I think the Loyola add was a gigantic disaster. They may be the worst team in all of D-1.

They're bad but they still notched a double digit win against the 1st place ACC team so no, not even close.

Probably. And the tell tale is GW is winning conference games.

(01-21-2023 04:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I agree. I think the Loyola add was a gigantic disaster. They may be the worst team in all of D-1.

Here are how many teams are worse than them:

NET: 92
RPI: 83
Kevin Pauga: 120
ESPN Strength of Record: 109
ESPN Basketball Power Index: 127
Ken Pomeroy: 126
Sagarin overall: 154
Sagarin predictor: 156
Seven Overtimes: 101

VCU has a 12 seed from ESPN, but they are 78th in the NET.

There was a thread a few weeks ago telling us how good Duquesne and Fordham were though.

(01-25-2023 03:55 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  There was a thread a few weeks ago telling us how good Duquesne and Fordham were though.

Was there? Or were you taking people saying "they're finally doing what they need to do" as "they're tournament teams!" instead of "they're beating the horrible teams they've scheduled instead of losing to them" there?

They did what they needed to OOC, in a normal year we would have teams like Dayton, VCU, and/or SLU perform at least decent in OOC. That would mean that combined with the not terrible performance from the standard conference bottom feeders that there wouldn't be many opportunities for bad losses in conference.

Instead we had those two (and to a lesser extent UMass) perform well in OOC and everyone else blow it. That means, while there are fewer opportunities for bad losses, there are no opportunities for good wins.


One bid conference, unless the apocalypse happens.

It seems a lot of traditionally good basketball conferences are under performing.

They are trending to be a one bid conference going fwd. That's a lot of teams for one bid. A-10 would have to drop off the list of majors that could break away from NCAA.

The A10 has lost a lot of their old "Power" programs over the years...

It's not what it once was.

Based on their historical performance the A10 is still one of five non-power conferences with a legitimate claim to be classified as "mid-major" along with the AAC, MWC, WCC and MVC. But the gap between those five and the 6 power conferences is growing, and with only a few quality programs left as potential P6 targets they could all become one bid leagues in the near future with NIL and relaxed transfer rules. If that happens I wouldn't be shocked if the NCAAT were to do away with play-in games instead of expanding the field.

(01-29-2023 07:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  Based on their historical performance the A10 is still one of five non-power conferences with a legitimate claim to be classified as "mid-major" along with the AAC, MWC, WCC and MVC. But the gap between those five and the 6 power conferences is growing, and with only a few quality programs left as potential P6 targets they could all become one bid leagues in the near future with NIL and relaxed transfer rules.

From my records, over the last 9 tournaments, there have been 12 multi-bid conferences. The P6 get the majority and then there's the other 6 (AAC, A-10, MWC, WCC, MVC, OVC). OVC only had a multi-bid once and there best schools have left the conference. MVC has now turned into a one bid in 4 of last 5. So there's a chance we'll be down to 6+3 if A-10 goes away too.

Fun trivia, name the only four P6 teams to not make NCAA Tournament since 2013?

(01-29-2023 08:04 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Fun trivia, name the only four P6 teams to not make NCAA Tournament since 2013?

I'll play: DePaul, Boston College, Georgia, and Mississippi State.

(01-29-2023 08:23 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:04 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Fun trivia, name the only four P6 teams to not make NCAA Tournament since 2013?

I'll play: DePaul, Boston College, Georgia, and Mississippi State.

I was thinking DePaul, Boston College, Georgia, and Washington State.

(01-29-2023 08:24 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:23 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 08:04 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Fun trivia, name the only four P6 teams to not make NCAA Tournament since 2013?

I'll play: DePaul, Boston College, Georgia, and Mississippi State.

I was thinking DePaul, Boston College, Georgia, and Washington State.

Georgia is the only one that is wrong. Can't figure out #4.