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Ideal FCS realignment
What would an ideal realigned FCS look like?
01-21-2023 11:32 AM
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
Define "ideal". Geography, school culture, football competition, basketball competition, public vs private, etc, etc.
Very different answers depending how you rank those things.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
mine would be to have a few d2 schools jump up lol
01-22-2023 12:08 AM
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-21-2023 10:55 PM)clunk Wrote:  Define "ideal". Geography, school culture, football competition, basketball competition, public vs private, etc, etc.
Very different answers depending how you rank those things.

I'm looking at it through a geography point of view, although I'm in favor of preserving traditional rivalries, as well as keeping the status quo of which FCS conference is the strongest.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-21-2023 10:55 PM)clunk Wrote:  Define "ideal". Geography, school culture, football competition, basketball competition, public vs private, etc, etc.
Very different answers depending how you rank those things.


For example, I'm from Tennessee and I would like to see all the state FCS teams in a conference together, although I'm ok with Tennessee State going to the SWAC to be with the other southern HBCU schools.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-22-2023 06:03 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 10:55 PM)clunk Wrote:  Define "ideal". Geography, school culture, football competition, basketball competition, public vs private, etc, etc.
Very different answers depending how you rank those things.


For example, I'm from Tennessee and I would like to see all the state FCS teams in a conference together, although I'm ok with Tennessee State going to the SWAC to be with the other southern HBCU schools.

I’d like it if all of D1 became one and conferences more regional. Would get to go to more away games.

But that ain’t happening because of greedy tv networks and snobby higher research institutions. Which, the latter is ironic, in that, most of these higher research institutions (think AAU), are against fossil fuel use, yet, for example, Cal would probably rather die than be in a conference with Fresno State…which would reduce overall travel for all sports. Thus reduce carbon footprint. Etc. Etc. But nooooooo! We (Cal types) don’t want to be in a conference of an institution that’s mainly about teachers and nurses and agriculture and business degrees!
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
To start bring all the HBCU’s together under one umbrella conference

Split into three divisions:
Atlantic: Del State, Hampton, Howard, Morgan, Norfolk, NC AT, NC Central
Southwest: Bama AM, Bama State, B-C, Fla AM, Miss Valley, SC State, Tenn State
Southeast: Alcorn, Pine Bluff, Grambling, Jackson St, PVAMU, Southern, Texas Sthn

Three champs plus best other play in semi and winners play in Celebration Bowl.

Next assume ASUN-WAC stay at FCS and join them with Big Sky, CAA & MVFL

upper tier playoff

After Hampton & NC AT are gone we have:
CAA 13 Big Sky 12 MVFL 12 ASUN_WAC 10 (with UTRGV)

Move Campbell or Elon to ASUN-WAC or both and switch EKU to CAA, you could also juggle others like Utah Tech/SUU and NAU/UNC but not essential.

Finally add SEMO to ASUN-WAC and you get 4 conferences of 12 teams

Champions get 1st Round bye, next 8 seeded for 12 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Then for lower tier play off:

NEC (8), OVC (8) (minus TSU & SEMO), Patriot (7), SoCon (9), Southland (8)
Move VMI to Patriot for 5 conferences of 8 plus Pioneer (11)

5 champions get 1st Round bye, Pioneer champion plus next 5 seeded for 11 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Ivy stays outside post season
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-23-2023 07:43 AM)Blue76 Wrote:  To start bring all the HBCU’s together under one umbrella conference

Split into three divisions:
Atlantic: Del State, Hampton, Howard, Morgan, Norfolk, NC AT, NC Central
Southwest: Bama AM, Bama AM, B-C, Fla AM, Miss Valley, SC State, Tenn State
Southeast: Alcorn, Pine Bluff, Grambling, Jackson St, PVAMU, Southern, Texas Sthn

Three champs plus best other play in semi and winners play in Celebration Bowl.

Next assume ASUN-WAC stay at FCS and join them with Big Sky, CAA & MVFL

upper tier playoff

After Hampton & NC AT are gone we have:
CAA 13 Big Sky 12 MVFL 12 ASUN_WAC 10 (with UTRGV)

Move Campbell or Elon to ASUN-WAC or both and switch EKU to CAA, you could also juggle others like Utah Tech/SUU and NAU/UNC but not essential.

Finally add SEMO to ASUN-WAC and you get 4 conferences of 12 teams

Champions get 1st Round bye, next 8 seeded for 12 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Then for lower tier play off:

NEC (8), OVC (8) (minus TSU & SEMO), Patriot (7), SoCon (9), Southland (8)
Move VMI to Patriot for 5 conferences of 8 plus Pioneer (11)

5 champions get 1st Round bye, Pioneer champion plus next 5 seeded for 11 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Ivy stays outside post season

You have Alabama A&M twice. There's Alabama A&M and Alabama State. Here's an idea: With three HBCU conferences, why not have the three conference champions and the three conference runner ups play each other in a small playoff format with two teams getting the first round bye? The two winners still play in the celebration bowl in Atlanta.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
Here's my ideal FCS conference. It's a slightly resurrected version of the old OVC, consisting of only Kentucky and Tennessee schools.

For football, you have:

Austin Peay
Chattanooga
Eastern Kentucky
East Tennessee State
Morehead State
Murray State
Tennessee Tech
Tennessee Martin

For non-football, you have

Austin Peay
Bellarmine
Belmont
Chattanooga
Eastern Kentucky
East Tennessee State
Lipscomb
Morehead State
Murray State
Northern Kentucky
Tennessee Tech
Tennessee Martin

After much convincing, Morehead State decides to sponsor scholarship football, while Tennessee State moves to the SWAC.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-23-2023 08:03 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 07:43 AM)Blue76 Wrote:  To start bring all the HBCU’s together under one umbrella conference

Split into three divisions:
Atlantic: Del State, Hampton, Howard, Morgan, Norfolk, NC AT, NC Central
Southwest: Bama AM, Bama AM, B-C, Fla AM, Miss Valley, SC State, Tenn State
Southeast: Alcorn, Pine Bluff, Grambling, Jackson St, PVAMU, Southern, Texas Sthn

Three champs plus best other play in semi and winners play in Celebration Bowl.

Next assume ASUN-WAC stay at FCS and join them with Big Sky, CAA & MVFL

upper tier playoff

After Hampton & NC AT are gone we have:
CAA 13 Big Sky 12 MVFL 12 ASUN_WAC 10 (with UTRGV)

Move Campbell or Elon to ASUN-WAC or both and switch EKU to CAA, you could also juggle others like Utah Tech/SUU and NAU/UNC but not essential.

Finally add SEMO to ASUN-WAC and you get 4 conferences of 12 teams

Champions get 1st Round bye, next 8 seeded for 12 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Then for lower tier play off:

NEC (8), OVC (8) (minus TSU & SEMO), Patriot (7), SoCon (9), Southland (8)
Move VMI to Patriot for 5 conferences of 8 plus Pioneer (11)

5 champions get 1st Round bye, Pioneer champion plus next 5 seeded for 11 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Ivy stays outside post season

You have Alabama A&M twice. There's Alabama A&M and Alabama State. Here's an idea: With three HBCU conferences, why not have the three conference champions and the three conference runner ups play each other in a small playoff format with two teams getting the first round bye? The two winners still play in the celebration bowl in Atlanta.

Oops I’ll change that
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
Charleston
UNCW
UNCG
Davidson
W&M
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
George Washington
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
Step 1: Everyone below P5 is now FCS.

Step 2, realign regionally.
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(01-23-2023 11:50 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  Step 1: Everyone below P5 is now FCS.

And like thirteen hundred fewer kids get a scholarship to college.

But nobody's feelings get hurt by being forced to watch two college football programs play who aren't competing for the national title.

Seems like a fair trade.
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(01-23-2023 11:50 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  Step 1: Everyone below P5 is now FCS.

Step 2, realign regionally.

Let the Pioneer go D3. Move Holy Cross to the CAA so the Patriot can also go D3. Top teams from the AAC, MWC and SBC move into P5 leagues, based on money, attendance, success, over the last 5 years, the rest move into FCS.
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(01-23-2023 12:05 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 11:50 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  Step 1: Everyone below P5 is now FCS.

And like thirteen hundred fewer kids get a scholarship to college.

But nobody's feelings get hurt by being forced to watch two college football programs play who aren't competing for the national title.

Seems like a fair trade.

Bump up P5 scholarship allowance to 90, allow FCS to have 70 those left out can play D2.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-23-2023 07:43 AM)Blue76 Wrote:  To start bring all the HBCU’s together under one umbrella conference

Split into three divisions:
Atlantic: Del State, Hampton, Howard, Morgan, Norfolk, NC AT, NC Central
Southwest: Bama AM, Bama State, B-C, Fla AM, Miss Valley, SC State, Tenn State
Southeast: Alcorn, Pine Bluff, Grambling, Jackson St, PVAMU, Southern, Texas Sthn

Three champs plus best other play in semi and winners play in Celebration Bowl.

Next assume ASUN-WAC stay at FCS and join them with Big Sky, CAA & MVFL

upper tier playoff

After Hampton & NC AT are gone we have:
CAA 13 Big Sky 12 MVFL 12 ASUN_WAC 10 (with UTRGV)

Move Campbell or Elon to ASUN-WAC or both and switch EKU to CAA, you could also juggle others like Utah Tech/SUU and NAU/UNC but not essential.

Finally add SEMO to ASUN-WAC and you get 4 conferences of 12 teams

Champions get 1st Round bye, next 8 seeded for 12 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Then for lower tier play off:

NEC (8), OVC (8) (minus TSU & SEMO), Patriot (7), SoCon (9), Southland (8)
Move VMI to Patriot for 5 conferences of 8 plus Pioneer (11)

5 champions get 1st Round bye, Pioneer champion plus next 5 seeded for 11 team playoff (or a simple 16/24 team playoff)

Ivy stays outside post season

ASUN/WAC is a bottom feeder league. Southland is a stronger league, even with the moves you mention.
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(01-23-2023 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Charleston
UNCW
UNCG
Davidson
W&M
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
George Washington

Would be a great midmajor hoops league, but not all these schools play football. Don't see GMU or VCU joining FCS, they are all in on bball. Their hope would be Big East someday.

Y'all looking to start a team? Should be able to join CAA for that.
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(01-23-2023 04:06 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Charleston
UNCW
UNCG
Davidson
W&M
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
George Washington

Would be a great midmajor hoops league, but not all these schools play football. Don't see GMU or VCU joining FCS, they are all in on bball. Their hope would be Big East someday.

Y'all looking to start a team? Should be able to join CAA for that.

My ideal realignment using only FCS or non football teams
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
(01-23-2023 04:06 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(01-23-2023 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Charleston
UNCW
UNCG
Davidson
W&M
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
George Washington

Would be a great midmajor hoops league, but not all these schools play football. Don't see GMU or VCU joining FCS, they are all in on bball. Their hope would be Big East someday.

Y'all looking to start a team? Should be able to join CAA for that.

Richmond and William and Mary would stay in the CAA for football while Davidson stays in the Pioneer League for football.
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RE: Ideal FCS realignment
Let schools decide what works for them...
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