(01-21-2023 03:40 PM)wmmii Wrote:  Sit right behind Dane and his half hearted attempt to call a time out just now which resulted in a TO and dunk was pathetic


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Let me expand upon this comment since many of you watch this on FloSports. I have sat behind the bench for over 30 years and watch both the coach plus game so see what many miss.

This event occurred at 4:31 to 4:22 left in the second half. To provide the setting, we were down 67-66 at 5:31 followed by a Nelson turnover at 5:17 and their layup at 5:01. Then we miss a layup at 4:43 and give up a fastbreak unguarded layup at 4:32 to go down 71-66.

Dane at 4:31 signaled the referee for a Timeout as the referee ran past but it was not seen and Dane let it slide to have Nelson drive to the bench area across halfcourt before calling it (in other words Nelson would not normally drive into a potential double team at that spot). Nelson got double teamed and Dane made no attempt to call the Timeout with the result being another Nelson turnover at 4:22 which created their TV highlight dunk at 4:18. Dane then call his Timeout. Look at Dane's expression at 4:25 on the sideline knowing this.

Dane may have not gotten the referee to grant the timeout around 4:28 when the double team started but his helpless reaction to the situation he created at 4:25 was pathetic.

Not to blow-up the narrative here but here are the gates from yesterday’s CAA games. At least we won there.

NC A&T @ W&M. 2,892
Del @ Drexel. 2,407
UNCW @ SB. 2,030
Towson @ Elon. 1,672
CoC at NU. 1,437
Ham @ Mon. 1,433

I don't consider a loss to A&T to be tragic. Don't forget, they beat Hofstra. They aren't consistently good, but when they play well they can stay with anyone. They do have a consistently good defense which keeps things close.

Since all boats rise with the tide, I hope everyone is realizing that A&T was a really good addition to the conference.

(01-21-2023 11:37 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 07:52 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Today was one more nail in the coffin for Dane. Terrible loss at home to one of the CAA scrubs. Maybe if we lose out from here Mann will be shamed into doing what needs to be done, unless we want to waste another year spinning our wheels with this clueless staff.

The possible reality of losing out sadly crosses my mind after today. Looks like I may chose to skip the CAA tournament this year and break my streak of attending over 40 consecutive years in person (minus Covid year).

This team has talent but Dane and his staff seem unable to effectively coach them to consistently be successful.

You will go. You will be afraid not to. I speak from experience.

(01-22-2023 11:36 AM)82hawk Wrote:  I don't consider a loss to A&T to be tragic. Don't forget, they beat Hofstra. They aren't consistently good, but when they play well they can stay with anyone. They do have a consistently good defense which keeps things close.

Since all boats rise with the tide, I hope everyone is realizing that A&T was a really good addition to the conference.

Disagree, Hofstra is their only win against a CAA member who was not in the dead heat for last place last year. The CAA becoming the new big south is not helping us as a league at all in bball. Our northern adds aren't helping either. The only team doing anything for our conference is CofC, let's hope they lose in the final so we get two bids.

That said, watching Marcus Watson was a ton of fun, seems like a nightmare to coach...going for the dunk of the year in a tie game, hilarious. Part of our comeback was that he got benched for that, but then it became the Kam Woods show.

(01-22-2023 01:02 PM)W+M4TW Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 11:36 AM)82hawk Wrote:  I don't consider a loss to A&T to be tragic. Don't forget, they beat Hofstra. They aren't consistently good, but when they play well they can stay with anyone. They do have a consistently good defense which keeps things close.

Since all boats rise with the tide, I hope everyone is realizing that A&T was a really good addition to the conference.

Disagree, Hofstra is their only win against a CAA member who was not in the dead heat for last place last year. The CAA becoming the new big south is not helping us as a league at all in bball. Our northern adds aren't helping either. The only team doing anything for our conference is CofC, let's hope they lose in the final so we get two bids.

That said, watching Marcus Watson was a ton of fun, seems like a nightmare to coach...going for the dunk of the year in a tie game, hilarious. Part of our comeback was that he got benched for that, but then it became the Kam Woods show.

I think it's way too early to make that declaration. Unless we pull from a better conference, it's going to take some time for the new schools to catch up to the rest of the CAA. I like the makeup of the schools, their location and their potential. Towson was an absolute dud when they came on board and stayed that way for awhile. CofC was 6-10 in the CAA their first year, 3-15 their second year and 8-10 their third year.Hofstra was 5-13 their first year in the CAA and 6-12 their second year.

(01-22-2023 10:13 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 03:40 PM)wmmii Wrote:  Sit right behind Dane and his half hearted attempt to call a time out just now which resulted in a TO and dunk was pathetic


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Let me expand upon this comment since many of you watch this on FloSports. I have sat behind the bench for over 30 years and watch both the coach plus game so see what many miss.

This event occurred at 4:31 to 4:22 left in the second half. To provide the setting, we were down 67-66 at 5:31 followed by a Nelson turnover at 5:17 and their layup at 5:01. Then we miss a layup at 4:43 and give up a fastbreak unguarded layup at 4:32 to go down 71-66.

Dane at 4:31 signaled the referee for a Timeout as the referee ran past but it was not seen and Dane let it slide to have Nelson drive to the bench area across halfcourt before calling it (in other words Nelson would not normally drive into a potential double team at that spot). Nelson got double teamed and Dane made no attempt to call the Timeout with the result being another Nelson turnover at 4:22 which created their TV highlight dunk at 4:18. Dane then call his Timeout. Look at Dane's expression at 4:25 on the sideline knowing this.

Dane may have not gotten the referee to grant the timeout around 4:28 when the double team started but his helpless reaction to the situation he created at 4:25 was pathetic.

I sit right behind the Clock operator and score keeper. I was surprised we didn't call a timeout then also. To me, an experienced 5-year point guard would have taken it upon himself to call that time out. I was sure yelling for it !

(01-22-2023 10:13 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 03:40 PM)wmmii Wrote:  Sit right behind Dane and his half hearted attempt to call a time out just now which resulted in a TO and dunk was pathetic


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Let me expand upon this comment since many of you watch this on FloSports. I have sat behind the bench for over 30 years and watch both the coach plus game so see what many miss.

This event occurred at 4:31 to 4:22 left in the second half. To provide the setting, we were down 67-66 at 5:31 followed by a Nelson turnover at 5:17 and their layup at 5:01. Then we miss a layup at 4:43 and give up a fastbreak unguarded layup at 4:32 to go down 71-66.

Dane at 4:31 signaled the referee for a Timeout as the referee ran past but it was not seen and Dane let it slide to have Nelson drive to the bench area across halfcourt before calling it (in other words Nelson would not normally drive into a potential double team at that spot). Nelson got double teamed and Dane made no attempt to call the Timeout with the result being another Nelson turnover at 4:22 which created their TV highlight dunk at 4:18. Dane then call his Timeout. Look at Dane's expression at 4:25 on the sideline knowing this.

Dane may have not gotten the referee to grant the timeout around 4:28 when the double team started but his helpless reaction to the situation he created at 4:25 was pathetic.

I don't believe coaches are allowed to call timeouts during live action anymore until the last minute or so of the game. Maybe only in dead ball scenarios, but I could be wrong.

(01-22-2023 11:22 PM)bailey472 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 10:13 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 03:40 PM)wmmii Wrote:  Sit right behind Dane and his half hearted attempt to call a time out just now which resulted in a TO and dunk was pathetic


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Let me expand upon this comment since many of you watch this on FloSports. I have sat behind the bench for over 30 years and watch both the coach plus game so see what many miss.

This event occurred at 4:31 to 4:22 left in the second half. To provide the setting, we were down 67-66 at 5:31 followed by a Nelson turnover at 5:17 and their layup at 5:01. Then we miss a layup at 4:43 and give up a fastbreak unguarded layup at 4:32 to go down 71-66.

Dane at 4:31 signaled the referee for a Timeout as the referee ran past but it was not seen and Dane let it slide to have Nelson drive to the bench area across halfcourt before calling it (in other words Nelson would not normally drive into a potential double team at that spot). Nelson got double teamed and Dane made no attempt to call the Timeout with the result being another Nelson turnover at 4:22 which created their TV highlight dunk at 4:18. Dane then call his Timeout. Look at Dane's expression at 4:25 on the sideline knowing this.

Dane may have not gotten the referee to grant the timeout around 4:28 when the double team started but his helpless reaction to the situation he created at 4:25 was pathetic.

I don't believe coaches are allowed to call timeouts during live action anymore until the last minute or so of the game. Maybe only in dead ball scenarios, but I could be wrong.

You are correct that the Coach can only call timeouts before the ball is inbounded. After that the Coach has to get a player to call it. He half heartedly tried to do it before the inbound but after that he needed to have it called by a player on the court.

Dane is in the habit of having the player dribbling across mid court and calling it in front of the bench. More than once it has almost created a turnover in the past.

While BigJohn may have howled for the timeout our head coach stood with his arm outstretched saying nothing.


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(01-22-2023 12:00 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 11:37 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 07:52 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Today was one more nail in the coffin for Dane. Terrible loss at home to one of the CAA scrubs. Maybe if we lose out from here Mann will be shamed into doing what needs to be done, unless we want to waste another year spinning our wheels with this clueless staff.

The possible reality of losing out sadly crosses my mind after today. Looks like I may chose to skip the CAA tournament this year and break my streak of attending over 40 consecutive years in person (minus Covid year).

This team has talent but Dane and his staff seem unable to effectively coach them to consistently be successful.

You will go. You will be afraid not to. I speak from experience.

Not entirely accurate. I have done both. I went to Baltimore and Charleston for the entire tourney, and I also skipped one Baltimore year, but then drove up to the game for the championship game. Perfectly easy to get a DC ticket for the later rounds if a shock is pulled. But, it won't be. The Tribe will have to win 4 days. Virtually no chance they make it past day 3 of the 5 day tourney. Most likely they lose on day 2(in the 5-12 games). You go because it is fun, a break from the winter, a chance to see people, and with hope. If you have a work conflict, or family responsibilities, or no hope, you don't. Monmouth and Elon won't have many fans there this year. Right now, I cannot even see any possibility of hope.

To have any realistic chance, you have to be a top 4 seed going into the tourney. No chance of that.

(01-23-2023 09:52 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:00 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 11:37 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 07:52 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Today was one more nail in the coffin for Dane. Terrible loss at home to one of the CAA scrubs. Maybe if we lose out from here Mann will be shamed into doing what needs to be done, unless we want to waste another year spinning our wheels with this clueless staff.

The possible reality of losing out sadly crosses my mind after today. Looks like I may chose to skip the CAA tournament this year and break my streak of attending over 40 consecutive years in person (minus Covid year).

This team has talent but Dane and his staff seem unable to effectively coach them to consistently be successful.

You will go. You will be afraid not to. I speak from experience.

Not entirely accurate. I have done both. I went to Baltimore and Charleston for the entire tourney, and I also skipped one Baltimore year, but then drove up to the game for the championship game. Perfectly easy to get a DC ticket for the later rounds if a shock is pulled. But, it won't be. The Tribe will have to win 4 days. Virtually no chance they make it past day 3 of the 5 day tourney. Most likely they lose on day 2(in the 5-12 games). You go because it is fun, a break from the winter, a chance to see people, and with hope. If you have a work conflict, or family responsibilities, or no hope, you don't. Monmouth and Elon won't have many fans there this year. Right now, I cannot even see any possibility of hope.

To have any realistic chance, you have to be a top 4 seed going into the tourney. No chance of that.

I see your point but I think that you missed the fact that I was speaking directly to wmmii in this particular case. Like him, it has been more than 3 decades since I have missed seeing the Tribe play in the tournament, with the obvious exception of the Covid year. Like him, I even bought 2 tournament books last year in DC when I knew in my heart that we would probably win the 8-9 game at most (we lost that game in OT). We won something like one tournament game in a 15 year span at one point and I saw everyone of the losses. My kidding with wmmii was that while he is considering not going this year, I do not think that he can go through with it. In some ways, it is like a disease.

As crazy as it makes me sound, I genuinely believe that we have the talent and depth to make a run in DC as long as we could avoid the 8-9 game on day 2 and the prize (Charleston) that the winner gets on day 3. I would much rather be a 10 seed than an 8 or 9 because we would still get an opponent on day 2 that we could beat and a day 3 opponent that was anybody but Charleston.

(01-23-2023 11:18 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 09:52 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:00 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 11:37 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 07:52 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Today was one more nail in the coffin for Dane. Terrible loss at home to one of the CAA scrubs. Maybe if we lose out from here Mann will be shamed into doing what needs to be done, unless we want to waste another year spinning our wheels with this clueless staff.

The possible reality of losing out sadly crosses my mind after today. Looks like I may chose to skip the CAA tournament this year and break my streak of attending over 40 consecutive years in person (minus Covid year).

This team has talent but Dane and his staff seem unable to effectively coach them to consistently be successful.

You will go. You will be afraid not to. I speak from experience.

Not entirely accurate. I have done both. I went to Baltimore and Charleston for the entire tourney, and I also skipped one Baltimore year, but then drove up to the game for the championship game. Perfectly easy to get a DC ticket for the later rounds if a shock is pulled. But, it won't be. The Tribe will have to win 4 days. Virtually no chance they make it past day 3 of the 5 day tourney. Most likely they lose on day 2(in the 5-12 games). You go because it is fun, a break from the winter, a chance to see people, and with hope. If you have a work conflict, or family responsibilities, or no hope, you don't. Monmouth and Elon won't have many fans there this year. Right now, I cannot even see any possibility of hope.

To have any realistic chance, you have to be a top 4 seed going into the tourney. No chance of that.

I see your point but I think that you missed the fact that I was speaking directly to wmmii in this particular case. Like him, it has been more than 3 decades since I have missed seeing the Tribe play in the tournament, with the obvious exception of the Covid year. Like him, I even bought 2 tournament books last year in DC when I knew in my heart that we would probably win the 8-9 game at most (we lost that game in OT). We won something like one tournament game in a 15 year span at one point and I saw everyone of the losses. My kidding with wmmii was that while he is considering not going this year, I do not think that he can go through with it. In some ways, it is like a disease.

As crazy as it makes me sound, I genuinely believe that we have the talent and depth to make a run in DC as long as we could avoid the 8-9 game on day 2 and the prize (Charleston) that the winner gets on day 3. I would much rather be a 10 seed than an 8 or 9 because we would still get an opponent on day 2 that we could beat and a day 3 opponent that was anybody but Charleston.

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I saw players who were engaged and trying hard that lacked good coaching.

Fair responses about the tournament. Unfortunately, we might be headed back to the lean years from 1987 thru 2004. But, I cannot criticize anyone for going given the friends you might see and the fact that it is a reasonably short trip.

But, it sure was more fun going from 2014 through 2018. As a fan who in 30+ years never bought the entire tournament ticket book, it was fun going to the window those 5 years to buy tickets for the next round(s). I recognize that in the smaller DC venue that might not be a viable option, but there were always seats available in Baltimore and Charleston.

Like NJAlum, I was angry in 2019 and still hoped that Dane would succeed. Even today, I am hopeful that he will. But, the results the last 3 years don't look promising. There hasn't been much that would make you think the team can win 2 games in a row against good competition, much less 4 in 4 days. But, there was no hope for nearly all of the 18 years from the time I came to W&M and still we usually went to Richmond for the tourney.

As for the overall conference, Charleston has an excellent chance to be the best CAA team record-wise ever. As for who will finish 2nd thru 4th and get the bye into the quarterfinals, it seems like Hofstra, Towson, UNCW, and Drexel will likely be vying for those slots. The 6th or 7th seed looks like the absolute best the Tribe can hope for, with 10th or worse still being in play. I'll admit it is hard to fully know since the schedule is unbalanced this year. In the ACC, Clemson is benefiting from a favorable unbalanced schedule this year with only 1 game against a lot of the other top record teams.

William & Mary does have the benefit for seeding purposes of having 6 of their last 10 games against bottom 35 teams nationally (Stony Brook x2, Hampton, Elon x2, Monmouth).

Winning those games will keep you above the bottom three. Northeastern has a hard schedule with trips to the top five and Delaware, and hosting Hofstra. In a six day span, they host Hofstra, go to UNCW, and go to Charleston.

(01-24-2023 01:03 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  Winning those games will keep you above the bottom three. Northeastern has a hard schedule with trips to the top five and Delaware, and hosting Hofstra. In a six day span, they host Hofstra, go to UNCW, and go to Charleston.

It's not realistic that we fall into the bottom three. But I'd far rather get the #10 and potentially play your boys in the second round than get the 8/9 and draw Charleston.