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What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.

Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-20-2023 10:09 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.

Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?

They already fly to Boulder or Seattle. Football is not an issue. Most sports are not an issue because they basically just compete at a conference meet. The only sports that will be an issue are baseball/softball, basketball/women's basketball, soccer/women's soccer and women's volleyball. Baseball, softball and soccer are basically weekend sports, so like football, it won't be impacted much.

Looking at this year's volleyball schedule, only 25 of the 140 conference games were NOT on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I imagine they will schedule the LA schools to play on the weekend except when playing each other.

So I think men's and women's basketball are the only sports where travel will be an issue for the athletes.
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It'll be like having a team in Hawai'i or Puerto Rico. I suppose if they have a change of heart, they'll come crawling back to the Pac.
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It isn't going to not work out.
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(01-20-2023 10:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 10:09 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.

Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?

They already fly to Boulder or Seattle. Football is not an issue. Most sports are not an issue because they basically just compete at a conference meet. The only sports that will be an issue are baseball/softball, basketball/women's basketball, soccer/women's soccer and women's volleyball. Baseball, softball and soccer are basically weekend sports, so like football, it won't be impacted much.

Looking at this year's volleyball schedule, only 25 of the 140 conference games were NOT on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I imagine they will schedule the LA schools to play on the weekend except when playing each other.

So I think men's and women's basketball are the only sports where travel will be an issue for the athletes.
LOL no one cares about non-revenue sports in terms of whether they can compete. They’re meaningless in this discussion, albeit expensive.

UCLA football will not be competitive.
UCLA basketball (a marquee blue blood) will be significantly hindered by nine (9) road trips 2+ time zones away

USC football will have 4+ away games 2+ time zones away each year. This will, in my opinion, materially affect their ability to access the CFP and earn a bye
No one cares about USC basketball but it will have the same issues as stated above for UCLA
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You guys are way off base, USCLA will both be competitive in football and basketball from day 1. They would have finished 1-2 in the B1G west this year.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 12:04 AM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 10:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 10:09 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.

Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?

They already fly to Boulder or Seattle. Football is not an issue. Most sports are not an issue because they basically just compete at a conference meet. The only sports that will be an issue are baseball/softball, basketball/women's basketball, soccer/women's soccer and women's volleyball. Baseball, softball and soccer are basically weekend sports, so like football, it won't be impacted much.

Looking at this year's volleyball schedule, only 25 of the 140 conference games were NOT on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I imagine they will schedule the LA schools to play on the weekend except when playing each other.

So I think men's and women's basketball are the only sports where travel will be an issue for the athletes.
LOL no one cares about non-revenue sports in terms of whether they can compete. They’re meaningless in this discussion, albeit expensive.

UCLA football will not be competitive.
UCLA basketball (a marquee blue blood) will be significantly hindered by nine (9) road trips 2+ time zones away

USC football will have 4+ away games 2+ time zones away each year. This will, in my opinion, materially affect their ability to access the CFP and earn a bye
No one cares about USC basketball but it will have the same issues as stated above for UCLA

Basketball won't have 9 road trips. They'll have like 4 2 game swings where they play @ one team on Wednesday or Thursday, and then @ another team on Saturday or Sunday. Sort of similar to what they do now playing at Washington on Thursday and at Washington State on Saturday for example. They'll have like 1 single trip, which they would likely do in December during OOC timeframe.
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Considering TV dictating things, I doubt they have the road trip setup.
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(01-21-2023 01:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Considering TV dictating things, I doubt they have the road trip setup.

Why would TV have a problem with it at all?

I'd expect the same thing for teams traveling to USC/UCLA- where they would play both of them in the same week.
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(01-20-2023 10:09 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.
Stop!!!! Think about what type of institution USC is and what type of students go there. It's not your ordinary John Does like you & me. You are talking about doctors, lawyers, and people of that ilk. They can afford Champaign, Piscataway, State College, etc.
UCLA would be hit far worse than USC in this regard, IMO. But, keep in mind, the majority of revenue doesn't really come from attendance anymore. It comes from the media!!
Quote:Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

True, but, why isn't this happening in Asia?? China specifically. Why aren't the Asians going insane over climate change?? Yes, European trends are important to the US, but so are Asian trends. If you don't think we're not keeping an eye on Asia, you're sadly mistaken.
The real threat to really worry about, IMO, is StuxNet. Google StuxNet & Nitro Zeus sometime. Now that is some pretty scary stuff!!! And yes, Asia is very familiar with StuxNet!!!

Quote:The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?
I don't think it's because they're dilutive to the revenue pie, but rather , the states of Oregon & Washington are not known as recruiting hotbed like California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio are. Those schools in recruiting hotbed want to keep the best recruits to themselves and not let a potential rival, who has few recruits in their own state, access. The B1G teams are also concerned about dilutive recruiting as opposed to dilutive revenue, IMO. You would be surprised to know how important recruiting is, IMHO.
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(01-21-2023 01:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 01:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Considering TV dictating things, I doubt they have the road trip setup.

Why would TV have a problem with it at all?

I'd expect the same thing for teams traveling to USC/UCLA- where they would play both of them in the same week.

Because TV picks games at random, multiple days out of week. They're not going to make it easier for their travels.
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(01-21-2023 03:09 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 10:09 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.
Stop!!!! Think about what type of institution USC is and what type of students go there. It's not your ordinary John Does like you & me. You are talking about doctors, lawyers, and people of that ilk. They can afford Champaign, Piscataway, State College, etc.
UCLA would be hit far worse than USC in this regard, IMO. But, keep in mind, the majority of revenue doesn't really come from attendance anymore. It comes from the media!!
Quote:Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

True, but, why isn't this happening in Asia?? China specifically. Why aren't the Asians going insane over climate change?? Yes, European trends are important to the US, but so are Asian trends. If you don't think we're not keeping an eye on Asia, you're sadly mistaken.
The real threat to really worry about, IMO, is StuxNet. Google StuxNet & Nitro Zeus sometime. Now that is some pretty scary stuff!!! And yes, Asia is very familiar with StuxNet!!!

Quote:The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?
I don't think it's because they're dilutive to the revenue pie, but rather , the states of Oregon & Washington are not known as recruiting hotbed like California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio are. Those schools in recruiting hotbed want to keep the best recruits to themselves and not let a potential rival, who has few recruits in their own state, access. The B1G teams are also concerned about dilutive recruiting as opposed to dilutive revenue, IMO. You would be surprised to know how important recruiting is, IMHO.

I can think of at least one reason as to why people in China aren’t rising up and protesting climate change
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(01-20-2023 11:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It isn't going to not work out.

The B1G was greedy. They should have taken Kansas and Colorado instead.
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(01-21-2023 12:04 AM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 10:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 10:09 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  The logistical challenges are pretty obvious. Bob Huggins and WVU complained for years about the travel issues in the Big 12, and I think their farthest road trip is about equal to what USC and UCLA’s closest road trip will be outside of each other. This will create a massive competitive disadvantage, not to mention an enormous burden on student athletes that I think will hurt recruiting.

Football will be the easiest sport for the travel issues, and it will still be a bear. UCLA will not be competitive. USC will be, but four trips a year to Big Ten country (plus perhaps ND depending on how the schedule rotation shakes out) is going to be really tough on a team. And if they slip up and lose games they should win and it costs them a CFP spot or a bye in the playoff, the fans obviously won’t be thrilled. Speaking of fans, relatively easy road trips to Phoenix, Salt Lake City and the Bay Area have been replaced with Champaign, Piscataway, State College and East Lansing.

Yes, the money will be better, but UCLA will have to pay their toll to Cal and who knows where these media rights valuations go in the next cycle as more people cut the cord and non-sports fans no longer subsidize ESPN’s insane carriage rates. Lastly, if you haven’t been paying attention to Europe, they’re going insane over climate change…gluing themselves to airport runways and literally restricting citizens’ movement. That will soon come to America and California will be an early adopter, which will lead a lot of people to ask why all of an LA university’s sports teams are being flown to New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc for games.

The easy solution is add Oregon and Washington to alleviate the travel burden, but they’re likely dilutive to the revenue pie and thus apparently nonstarters for the current Big Ten membership. So what if it doesn’t work out?

They already fly to Boulder or Seattle. Football is not an issue. Most sports are not an issue because they basically just compete at a conference meet. The only sports that will be an issue are baseball/softball, basketball/women's basketball, soccer/women's soccer and women's volleyball. Baseball, softball and soccer are basically weekend sports, so like football, it won't be impacted much.

Looking at this year's volleyball schedule, only 25 of the 140 conference games were NOT on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I imagine they will schedule the LA schools to play on the weekend except when playing each other.

So I think men's and women's basketball are the only sports where travel will be an issue for the athletes.
LOL no one cares about non-revenue sports in terms of whether they can compete. They’re meaningless in this discussion, albeit expensive.

UCLA football will not be competitive.
UCLA basketball (a marquee blue blood) will be significantly hindered by nine (9) road trips 2+ time zones away

USC football will have 4+ away games 2+ time zones away each year. This will, in my opinion, materially affect their ability to access the CFP and earn a bye
No one cares about USC basketball but it will have the same issues as stated above for UCLA

Basketball won't have 9 road trips. They'll have like 4 2 game swings where they play @ one team on Wednesday or Thursday, and then @ another team on Saturday or Sunday. Sort of similar to what they do now playing at Washington on Thursday and at Washington State on Saturday for example. They'll have like 1 single trip, which they would likely do in December during OOC timeframe.
So they’ll make four roundtrips 2-3 time zones away? Any way you slice it, it’s tough. WVU in the Big 12 has consistently bitched about how awful the travel burden was; as stated above, their farthest roadtrip in the current Big 12 configuration is about the same distance as USC/UCLA’s closest trip outside of each other in the Big Ten. USC and UCLA will be at a considerable competitive disadvantage.
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It's going to work. This is the BIG getting into bed with two of the single biggest brand names in college sports and pushing its footprint into the second largest city and most populus state. This isn't like the B12 having multiple schools stranded on multiple islands - Hello UCF, WVU, BYU. Now to the OP question. I'm sure that if for some reason it does not work out, the BIG will allow USCLA to buy themselves out.
I do think that eventually the BIG will bring in four more PAC schools and form a six team PAC Division in a twenty-four school conference.
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(01-21-2023 09:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-20-2023 11:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It isn't going to not work out.

The B1G was greedy. They should have taken Kansas and Colorado instead.

They took the $$ schools. Kansas and Colorado won't sniff a Big invite in the next 10 years, and probably never.
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(01-21-2023 09:38 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  It's going to work. This is the BIG getting into bed with two of the single biggest brand names in college sports and pushing its footprint into the second largest city and most populus state. This isn't like the B12 having multiple schools stranded on multiple islands - Hello UCF, WVU, BYU. Now to the OP question. I'm sure that if for some reason it does not work out, the BIG will allow USCLA to buy themselves out.
I do think that eventually the BIG will bring in four more PAC schools and form a six team PAC Division in a twenty-four school conference.

I agree. I know the traditional fans want/wish/hope for this not to work… but it’s going to work insanely well. The Big Ten just added a critical massive market that’s the entertainment capital of the world (and actually has a real history of caring about college sports, unlike the NYC market), a recruiting hotbed for all sports, a major center for Big Ten alums, and ultimately, USC and UCLA playing the other big brands in the Big Ten in football and basketball (along with excellence in all sports across the board). LA is a market whose economy is literally fueled by TV production and the Big Ten just created a national college football TV product. It’s the single most valuable move the Big Ten could have possibly made outside of adding Notre Dame. I don’t know why it’s OK for the SEC to go after UT and OU while the Big Ten is supposed to be OK with thinking smaller with schools like Kansas and Colorado. The SEC may still have the on-field football advantage, but the Big Ten now has a lock on the media and cultural power centers of the US. The latter is why the Big Ten keeps over-performing in its media deals compared to the SEC and the USC/UCLA expansion is really the capstone on that point.
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(01-21-2023 09:20 AM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  So they’ll make four roundtrips 2-3 time zones away? Any way you slice it, it’s tough. WVU in the Big 12 has consistently bitched about how awful the travel burden was; as stated above, their farthest roadtrip in the current Big 12 configuration is about the same distance as USC/UCLA’s closest trip outside of each other in the Big Ten. USC and UCLA will be at a considerable competitive disadvantage.

Morgantown to Fort Worth is only 100 more miles than LA to Seattle.

So maybe the real takeaway here is that we shouldn't be taking West Virginia's complaining too seriously?
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
It depends on your definition of "work". Will USC & UCLA win as much - not a chance. Even the NFL groups teams into geographically logical divisions to minimize travel to improve the product. Since UCLA & USC are 2 of the richest schools in the world, they should not be subjecting their athletes & fans to brutal travel. West Virginia took on bad travel to survive in the P5. UCLA & USC will always be in the P5. The schools will always have a home. Stupid decision by greedy admins that aren't impacted by the travel. All this move does is give paper pushers raises & the ability to hire more administrators so here we are.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 10:12 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:20 AM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  So they’ll make four roundtrips 2-3 time zones away? Any way you slice it, it’s tough. WVU in the Big 12 has consistently bitched about how awful the travel burden was; as stated above, their farthest roadtrip in the current Big 12 configuration is about the same distance as USC/UCLA’s closest trip outside of each other in the Big Ten. USC and UCLA will be at a considerable competitive disadvantage.

Morgantown to Fort Worth is only 100 more miles than LA to Seattle.

So maybe the real takeaway here is that we shouldn't be taking West Virginia's complaining too seriously?

So you want to blame the victim? 9pm East time game tip in Ft Worth, get on plane at 1am East time, land at 4am - seems great for WVU. You want that when you had 7pm game time tip in NYC, get on plane at 11pm, land at midnight?? Significant difference to your quality of life
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