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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
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(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

Got to admire the brattish ACC snobbery that comes through there. It does liven the board a bit though... haha.

But yeah, Rutgers has paid for itself to address the earlier point. Certainly, their BBall brand has given the B1G network a boost more recently and if they can sustain that success, it may be enough. Football is a bonus at this point.

But the whole idea of a new generation of fans growing up USCLA B1G football is garbage. There has to be a new generation of fans first. With universities being ever more expensive and alumni that just don't prioritize being ardent fans of their alma mater (a lot of these alums end up living in major pro sports metroplex areas), you have to wonder where the legion of new fans will come from.
I'm confused, how has Rutgers "paid for itself?" The football program is garbage and the basketball has been OK in recent years but no better than what some mid-majors typically do.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 09:43 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  
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(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

Got to admire the brattish ACC snobbery that comes through there. It does liven the board a bit though... haha.

But yeah, Rutgers has paid for itself to address the earlier point. Certainly, their BBall brand has given the B1G network a boost more recently and if they can sustain that success, it may be enough. Football is a bonus at this point.

But the whole idea of a new generation of fans growing up USCLA B1G football is garbage. There has to be a new generation of fans first. With universities being ever more expensive and alumni that just don't prioritize being ardent fans of their alma mater (a lot of these alums end up living in major pro sports metroplex areas), you have to wonder where the legion of new fans will come from.
I'm confused, how has Rutgers "paid for itself?" The football program is garbage and the basketball has been OK in recent years but no better than what some mid-majors typically do.

It's ironic to see an SMU fan calling a B1G program "garbage". I don't care at all for Rutgers, if anything I know a lot more about SMU, but the B1G has been coming up Aces with every move they've made for 100 years. I'm not going to argue with anything they do. Perhaps Rutgers will start to be more competitive now that they're all bought in and are on par in Revenues with their the rest of the Conference.

As for how Rutgers has paid for themselves, the B1G has 75m reasons to be happy with all of their recent expansion schools. Take out Rutgers, MD, PSU, Nebraska and USCLA and you still have a good Conference, but not a rival to the SEC.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 10:02 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:43 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:31 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

Got to admire the brattish ACC snobbery that comes through there. It does liven the board a bit though... haha.

But yeah, Rutgers has paid for itself to address the earlier point. Certainly, their BBall brand has given the B1G network a boost more recently and if they can sustain that success, it may be enough. Football is a bonus at this point.

But the whole idea of a new generation of fans growing up USCLA B1G football is garbage. There has to be a new generation of fans first. With universities being ever more expensive and alumni that just don't prioritize being ardent fans of their alma mater (a lot of these alums end up living in major pro sports metroplex areas), you have to wonder where the legion of new fans will come from.
I'm confused, how has Rutgers "paid for itself?" The football program is garbage and the basketball has been OK in recent years but no better than what some mid-majors typically do.

It's ironic to see an SMU fan calling a B1G program "garbage". I don't care at all for Rutgers, if anything I know a lot more about SMU, but the B1G has been coming up Aces with every move they've made for 100 years. I'm not going to argue with anything they do. Perhaps Rutgers will start to be more competitive now that they're all bought in and are on par in Revenues with their the rest of the Conference.

As for how Rutgers has paid for themselves, the B1G has 75m reasons to be happy with all of their recent expansion schools. Take out Rutgers, MD, PSU, Nebraska and USCLA and you still have a good Conference, but not a rival to the SEC.
Rutgers has been awful in football in the Big Ten since an 8-5 season in their inaugural season 9 years ago.

They're kind of like of A&M in that they had a warm (not hot) start in their new conference and then quickly reverted back to being historically mediocre. But they don't have a bunch of sexually frustrated male students pretending to be in the army, so they have that going for them.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
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(01-21-2023 11:35 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Agree on all of this. USC and UCLA will be fine in the Big Ten. As fans, we'll get use to it. I recall well when the SEC added South Carolina and Arkansas. As a Vanderbilt fan, I was a bit concerned at first. But I was proved wrong over time. Those two schools have been fine members of the league.

Similarly, Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten has made sense over time.

Change is inevitable. Embrace it.

In time, we'll likely come to see how the USC and UCLA additions have worked fine for the Big Ten and for those two schools.

One of my best friends is a Maryland fan, good luck telling him it makes sense. I think people don't realize how much UMd fans hate Duke and miss that rivalry. Fans don't get that game (nor UVa) anymore and they don't get the Big Ten media money.

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If only it were possible to schedule a hated rival OOC every year. Oh, wait, UF-FSU, USC-Clemson, UGA-GT...it IS possible! Cool!

We weren't there with Texas, but in another 5-10 years we would have started playing them annually I suspect. Our hate for LSU and bama is strong, but the hatred for Texas runs deep.

I get you’re trying to be contrarian and that’s cute and all. That’s sort of been your MO towards me since you joined. But those games meant a lot to the ACC standings and the ACC tournament. AFAIK, that can’t be scheduled OOC. Unless you in your almighty wisdom know better?

I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

You didn't mention the ACC standings in your earlier post, and I doubt that Duke had much of a negative impact on anybody's standing in the ACC (football). I know that I sure miss playing some of our old SWC and big 12 "rivals" for the easy W.

So what exactly were you disagreeing with? It seems to me you simplified and reduced the importance of what I said, which is a true gripe amongst many Maryland fans, not just my close friend. You shrugged it off as if there aren't complex inner workings behind the scenes and schools will just schedule one another like nothing happened.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 09:43 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:31 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

Got to admire the brattish ACC snobbery that comes through there. It does liven the board a bit though... haha.

But yeah, Rutgers has paid for itself to address the earlier point. Certainly, their BBall brand has given the B1G network a boost more recently and if they can sustain that success, it may be enough. Football is a bonus at this point.

But the whole idea of a new generation of fans growing up USCLA B1G football is garbage. There has to be a new generation of fans first. With universities being ever more expensive and alumni that just don't prioritize being ardent fans of their alma mater (a lot of these alums end up living in major pro sports metroplex areas), you have to wonder where the legion of new fans will come from.
I'm confused, how has Rutgers "paid for itself?" The football program is garbage and the basketball has been OK in recent years but no better than what some mid-majors typically do.

Got the BTN on basic cable in NYC area. Got the Big 10 exposure in NYC and excuses to connect with wealthy alumni in NYC area and decision makers on research dollars. I don't think they regret Rutgers at all. Plus, for most schools, they are an extra win towards bowl eligibility!

There are good reasons Rutgers has been on the Big 10 short list since the 90s, when their football program was even worse, losing regularly to Temple who got kicked out of the Big East.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
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(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

Got to admire the brattish ACC snobbery that comes through there. It does liven the board a bit though... haha.

But yeah, Rutgers has paid for itself to address the earlier point. Certainly, their BBall brand has given the B1G network a boost more recently and if they can sustain that success, it may be enough. Football is a bonus at this point.

But the whole idea of a new generation of fans growing up USCLA B1G football is garbage. There has to be a new generation of fans first. With universities being ever more expensive and alumni that just don't prioritize being ardent fans of their alma mater (a lot of these alums end up living in major pro sports metroplex areas), you have to wonder where the legion of new fans will come from.

You might be confused. You must not understand actual snobbery because there is a severe lack of Big Ten fans here. Talk about being snobs without actually doing anything notable in 20+ years, or forever in the case of some schools. Ohio State being the exception, of course.
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(01-21-2023 09:08 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  How many more people does it take to handle an extra 50-75 or so trips per year across all sports? Maybe give the current Logistics honcho an extra student intern, possibly even a paid position. So, at worst, 1 more person and $60k more per year. The potential extra cost on the logistical side is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of all those extra trips.

I am obviously not privy to answer anything on these matters, but I also won't oversimplify things down to some algorithm or event planner position that will figure it all out. But just some hypotheticals...

Are there added security challenges for female sports? If co-ed travel is involved or long two night trips in shady places like Indy, that's problematic for them California Dreamin' female athletes.

What is the actual policy for the existing road trips that take place currently in the PAC or other conferences? Are the athletes locked down in a hotel aside from bus trips to and from the airport? Do they attend virtual classes Friday morning? How is it currently done for USCLA hitting up the Washington schools? What's the complete itinerary? Because now we're going to be doing that 3-4 times a semester for most team sports and that adds risk.

But I don't have all those details. If you are going to keep men's and women's travel separate and adhere to a strict, low key, professional, almost droid-like disposition, where the kids are going in to play a ball game, grabbing a laptop in between to catch up on classwork, making it back to the hotel for a sound night of sleep, only to do it again the next morning, good luck to that. For me, that's asking too much for 19-21 year olds, the vast majority of whom aren't capitalizing on massive NIL money.
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(01-21-2023 04:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  You claim they would give up home field advantage and byes. Well, the Pac has only made the top 4 twice. And never USC. So that comment wasn't based on reality.
Lots of schools are "back." Only time tells. But USC didn't win the Pac this year and didn't win their bowl.

Going to the Big 10 is probably a big help to their recruiting being in premier TV slots and in a conference that isn't an afterthought. So their chances of being "back" are better in the Big 10. It will probably be a plus for both USC and UCLA competitively in football. It also gives them something else to differentiate themselves from the other western schools.

That is the big unanswered question right now. Did the move to the Big Ten result in a recruiting advantage for USC and UCLA? To this point, not much has changed. USC and Oregon are on fire, as usual. The Pac-12 has six schools in the 247sports overall top 30 football recruiting rankings (USC, Oregon, Colorado, UCLA, Utah, Washington). The Pac-12 has not been affected and USC and UCLA are both doing well. UCLA did land the No. 1 ranked recruit in Michigan and picked up a couple of transfers from the MAC. But other than that, nothing much has changed.
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(01-21-2023 10:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  
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(01-21-2023 11:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  One of my best friends is a Maryland fan, good luck telling him it makes sense. I think people don't realize how much UMd fans hate Duke and miss that rivalry. Fans don't get that game (nor UVa) anymore and they don't get the Big Ten media money.

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If only it were possible to schedule a hated rival OOC every year. Oh, wait, UF-FSU, USC-Clemson, UGA-GT...it IS possible! Cool!

We weren't there with Texas, but in another 5-10 years we would have started playing them annually I suspect. Our hate for LSU and bama is strong, but the hatred for Texas runs deep.

I get you’re trying to be contrarian and that’s cute and all. That’s sort of been your MO towards me since you joined. But those games meant a lot to the ACC standings and the ACC tournament. AFAIK, that can’t be scheduled OOC. Unless you in your almighty wisdom know better?

I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

You didn't mention the ACC standings in your earlier post, and I doubt that Duke had much of a negative impact on anybody's standing in the ACC (football). I know that I sure miss playing some of our old SWC and big 12 "rivals" for the easy W.

So what exactly were you disagreeing with? It seems to me you simplified and reduced the importance of what I said, which is a true gripe amongst many Maryland fans, not just my close friend. You shrugged it off as if there aren't complex inner workings behind the scenes and schools will just schedule one another like nothing happened.

Re: ACC tournament games, Maryland school officials are probably gambling that Duke will join the B1G in the future. And, that could happen. But then again, it might not. The main reason that Maryland made that decision is because Maryland was hurting badly financially. No big alumni chose to try to bail out the Terps, so Maryland decided to go with the bird in the hand (B1G membership) vs the bird(s) in the bush (anything else).
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-21-2023 03:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 01:33 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  People who make this argument act like USCLA never subjected their student athletes to travel. Big time college athletes in any sport travel a LOT. If you're on a coast then you'll travel more, that's just how it goes. And when you're in the bottom left corner of the country, you're going to travel the most, even if you decide to stay in the Pac. So, it wasn't a decision of "never leave LA vs insane travel 24/7/365", but more like "800 miles average flight per conference game vs 1500 miles average flight per conference game".

UCLA in basketball this year played at Maryland on Dec 14, then they played Kentucky at MSG on Dec 17. You don't think they'll be able to economize basketball travel like that once they join the B1G? It will end up being 4-5 big trips per year, vs the 2-3 big trips per year they've been taking to the PNW every year in the Pac.

All they did was add 90 minutes to 4 or 5 flights per year for their football and basketball teams. Is it a struggle? Yes. Is it that much greater of a struggle than their current travel? No, it's a small increase that helps to ensure that they can continue to fund women's beach volleyball, women's soccer, lacrosse, etc etc, whatever sports they want, while also helping them to remain nationally relevant in basketball and football.

There are certainly things you can do to ease the logistics. Is women's volleyball traveling with the men's BBall team? If it's co-ed that may lead to off field issues. But let's talk about the traveling issues for every sport, not just men's BBall... what is the B1G playing fall/winter/spring where you can overlap or combine the travel for the LA schools.

BBall and Volleyball overlap.
Soccer (co-ed travel or may partially overlap with BBall but not sure)
Hockey probably not relevant for LA schools
Gymnastics and individual sports? Again, all the schedules have to align with the sporting events in terms of time of year played plus the scheduling for the respective schools involved.

So we need to know what sports are being cut as a result of this move (or added) and who is playing what and where. While it's not an impossible problem, it's a logistical nightmare that will require A LOT more personnel and overhead. We'll see just how profitable the move becomes in the years ahead.


Personally, I'd love to see the BIG require all member schools have teams in all conference sponsored sports. If travel is going to be a problem for some of the non-revenue teams, they could follow the BE model. The BE used to allow some sports to basically play independent schedules and only require that they travel to the conference tournaments.
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When the UCLA move was presented to the UC Board of Regents, they calculated the additional cost of travel, taking in to account the differences in scheduling for each sport.

They also made estimates of cost for additional nutritional, academic, and mental health support.

In the final agreement, the $$$ amounts of added nutritional, academic, and mental health were included. The additional travel costs were not presented as a $$$ amount, but rather a qualitative commitment to not miss any more class time than they are currently missing.
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(01-21-2023 06:11 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  
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(01-21-2023 11:35 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Agree on all of this. USC and UCLA will be fine in the Big Ten. As fans, we'll get use to it. I recall well when the SEC added South Carolina and Arkansas. As a Vanderbilt fan, I was a bit concerned at first. But I was proved wrong over time. Those two schools have been fine members of the league.

Similarly, Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten has made sense over time.

Change is inevitable. Embrace it.

In time, we'll likely come to see how the USC and UCLA additions have worked fine for the Big Ten and for those two schools.

One of my best friends is a Maryland fan, good luck telling him it makes sense. I think people don't realize how much UMd fans hate Duke and miss that rivalry. Fans don't get that game (nor UVa) anymore and they don't get the Big Ten media money.

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Nobody liked the BIG expansion with PSU when it happened, not BIG fans and not PSU fans. Yet it has worked out well. The same was true with the Nebraska expansion and the RU UMd expansions. I'd say the one exception was RU fans were ecstatic to be rescued from the AAC. It was like being on a sinking fishing vessel, being picked up by the Queen Mary 2 and allowed to stay for the rest of the trip. USCLA will have the same growing pains in the BIG. Twenty years from now, when a whole generation of fans know nothing but all these schools being in the BIG, with whoever else it takes, it will feel as normal as Dallas in the NFC East.

I could make a strong case that joining the B1G was a bad move for PSU over the past 30 years. Call it bad luck or whatever. If I was a Nittany Lion, I'd darn well wonder if things would have turned out better if they'd remained Indy, joined the ACC, etc...then been ready to jump to the B1G or SEC right about now if needed. They were sitting pretty in the late 80's/early 90's.
I also wonder if the Big Ten wouldn't like to rescind that Rutgers invite back in retrospect.

The Purdue and Indiana basketball teams sure wish we were never added. What kind of value has SMU brought to the AAC media rights deals?
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(01-21-2023 11:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That is the big unanswered question right now. Did the move to the Big Ten result in a recruiting advantage for USC and UCLA? To this point, not much has changed. USC and Oregon are on fire, as usual. The Pac-12 has six schools in the 247sports overall top 30 football recruiting rankings (USC, Oregon, Colorado, UCLA, Utah, Washington). The Pac-12 has not been affected and USC and UCLA are both doing well. UCLA did land the No. 1 ranked recruit in Michigan and picked up a couple of transfers from the MAC. But other than that, nothing much has changed.

Probably a lag effect there. We'll see.
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(01-21-2023 11:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 04:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  You claim they would give up home field advantage and byes. Well, the Pac has only made the top 4 twice. And never USC. So that comment wasn't based on reality.
Lots of schools are "back." Only time tells. But USC didn't win the Pac this year and didn't win their bowl.

Going to the Big 10 is probably a big help to their recruiting being in premier TV slots and in a conference that isn't an afterthought. So their chances of being "back" are better in the Big 10. It will probably be a plus for both USC and UCLA competitively in football. It also gives them something else to differentiate themselves from the other western schools.

That is the big unanswered question right now. Did the move to the Big Ten result in a recruiting advantage for USC and UCLA? To this point, not much has changed. USC and Oregon are on fire, as usual. The Pac-12 has six schools in the 247sports overall top 30 football recruiting rankings (USC, Oregon, Colorado, UCLA, Utah, Washington). The Pac-12 has not been affected and USC and UCLA are both doing well. UCLA did land the No. 1 ranked recruit in Michigan and picked up a couple of transfers from the MAC. But other than that, nothing much has changed.

FWIW, I have felt that the B1G move would have little effect on USC/UCLA recruiting, and IMO it is as likely that it would hurt as help. If I'm a west coast kid who wants to "stay home", I'd maybe rather stay home at a school that is going to play a lot of other west coast teams, not be flying off to B1G territory.

But overall, I just don't think it matters. We'll see.
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(01-21-2023 10:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  
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(01-21-2023 11:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  One of my best friends is a Maryland fan, good luck telling him it makes sense. I think people don't realize how much UMd fans hate Duke and miss that rivalry. Fans don't get that game (nor UVa) anymore and they don't get the Big Ten media money.

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If only it were possible to schedule a hated rival OOC every year. Oh, wait, UF-FSU, USC-Clemson, UGA-GT...it IS possible! Cool!

We weren't there with Texas, but in another 5-10 years we would have started playing them annually I suspect. Our hate for LSU and bama is strong, but the hatred for Texas runs deep.

I get you’re trying to be contrarian and that’s cute and all. That’s sort of been your MO towards me since you joined. But those games meant a lot to the ACC standings and the ACC tournament. AFAIK, that can’t be scheduled OOC. Unless you in your almighty wisdom know better?

I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

You didn't mention the ACC standings in your earlier post, and I doubt that Duke had much of a negative impact on anybody's standing in the ACC (football). I know that I sure miss playing some of our old SWC and big 12 "rivals" for the easy W.

So what exactly were you disagreeing with? It seems to me you simplified and reduced the importance of what I said, which is a true gripe amongst many Maryland fans, not just my close friend. You shrugged it off as if there aren't complex inner workings behind the scenes and schools will just schedule one another like nothing happened.

I think many Maryland fans like being in the B1G, in the sense of collecting more money and not being under what they perceived to be a Carolina-dominated ACC administrative structure.

But hoops-wise they'd rather be playing two games vs Duke, UNC, NC State, and Virginia each year than playing anyone in the B1G. Wake Forest too. Georgia Tech probably too.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-22-2023 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 10:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 02:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 02:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  If only it were possible to schedule a hated rival OOC every year. Oh, wait, UF-FSU, USC-Clemson, UGA-GT...it IS possible! Cool!

We weren't there with Texas, but in another 5-10 years we would have started playing them annually I suspect. Our hate for LSU and bama is strong, but the hatred for Texas runs deep.

I get you’re trying to be contrarian and that’s cute and all. That’s sort of been your MO towards me since you joined. But those games meant a lot to the ACC standings and the ACC tournament. AFAIK, that can’t be scheduled OOC. Unless you in your almighty wisdom know better?

I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

You didn't mention the ACC standings in your earlier post, and I doubt that Duke had much of a negative impact on anybody's standing in the ACC (football). I know that I sure miss playing some of our old SWC and big 12 "rivals" for the easy W.

So what exactly were you disagreeing with? It seems to me you simplified and reduced the importance of what I said, which is a true gripe amongst many Maryland fans, not just my close friend. You shrugged it off as if there aren't complex inner workings behind the scenes and schools will just schedule one another like nothing happened.

I think many Maryland fans like being in the B1G, in the sense of collecting more money and not being under what they perceived to be a Carolina-dominated ACC administrative structure.

But hoops-wise they'd rather be playing two games vs Duke, UNC, NC State, and Virginia each year than playing anyone in the B1G. Wake Forest too. Georgia Tech probably too.

Well, Wake Forest would seem to have little chance of a B10 or SEC invite, but those other 5, could very well, once the GoR situation is addressed...
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
I know I don't speak for all Big Ten fans, but I would have preferred the conference would have grabbed Missouri instead of Rutgers in 2012-2014, mainly as a bridge to help eventually grab Oklahoma and Texas in 2024.
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(01-22-2023 08:59 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(01-22-2023 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 10:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 02:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  I get you’re trying to be contrarian and that’s cute and all. That’s sort of been your MO towards me since you joined. But those games meant a lot to the ACC standings and the ACC tournament. AFAIK, that can’t be scheduled OOC. Unless you in your almighty wisdom know better?

I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

You didn't mention the ACC standings in your earlier post, and I doubt that Duke had much of a negative impact on anybody's standing in the ACC (football). I know that I sure miss playing some of our old SWC and big 12 "rivals" for the easy W.

So what exactly were you disagreeing with? It seems to me you simplified and reduced the importance of what I said, which is a true gripe amongst many Maryland fans, not just my close friend. You shrugged it off as if there aren't complex inner workings behind the scenes and schools will just schedule one another like nothing happened.

I think many Maryland fans like being in the B1G, in the sense of collecting more money and not being under what they perceived to be a Carolina-dominated ACC administrative structure.

But hoops-wise they'd rather be playing two games vs Duke, UNC, NC State, and Virginia each year than playing anyone in the B1G. Wake Forest too. Georgia Tech probably too.

Well, Wake Forest would seem to have little chance of a B10 or SEC invite, but those other 5, could very well, once the GoR situation is addressed...

Addressed in what way? As in expire in 13 years? They all signed it.

You actually think adding five schools to the Big Ten is going to increase the media payout for every current school? That would mean every individual school is worth more than USC or UCLA.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-22-2023 09:07 AM)goofus Wrote:  I know I don't speak for all Big Ten fans, but I would have preferred the conference would have grabbed Missouri instead of Rutgers in 2012-2014, mainly as a bridge to help eventually grab Oklahoma and Texas in 2024.

Much as I would think it would be cool to get to Chicago and then take the sleeper train to St. Louis and rent a car to see the Buckeyes play hoops at Mizzou, then go back and catch the next day's train to Austin, to see them play a couple of days later, ...

... I think it's been enough decades where trips of that length are done by air that a land bridge for trips above easy driving distance is not really a thing.

The big advantage of UC for WVU in the Big12 is not that they get you closer to the core Big12 footprint, but more simply that they are a lot closer to Morgantown. Unless two schools are close enough for a bus leg in a three cornered travel partner trip, it's more important that the two schools have relatively easy access via a short direct air connection.
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RE: What If the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten doesn’t work out?
(01-22-2023 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-22-2023 08:59 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(01-22-2023 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 10:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2023 09:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I just call it like I see it, and I often find myself disagreeing with things you post. Rather than be rude and abrasive, I think that humor with a bit of sarcasm is more called for on this board.

You didn't mention the ACC standings in your earlier post, and I doubt that Duke had much of a negative impact on anybody's standing in the ACC (football). I know that I sure miss playing some of our old SWC and big 12 "rivals" for the easy W.

So what exactly were you disagreeing with? It seems to me you simplified and reduced the importance of what I said, which is a true gripe amongst many Maryland fans, not just my close friend. You shrugged it off as if there aren't complex inner workings behind the scenes and schools will just schedule one another like nothing happened.

I think many Maryland fans like being in the B1G, in the sense of collecting more money and not being under what they perceived to be a Carolina-dominated ACC administrative structure.

But hoops-wise they'd rather be playing two games vs Duke, UNC, NC State, and Virginia each year than playing anyone in the B1G. Wake Forest too. Georgia Tech probably too.

Well, Wake Forest would seem to have little chance of a B10 or SEC invite, but those other 5, could very well, once the GoR situation is addressed...

Addressed in what way? As in expire in 13 years? They all signed it.

You actually think adding five schools to the Big Ten is going to increase the media payout for every current school? That would mean every individual school is worth more than USC or UCLA.

As I think I mentioned to someone else on this board. That's not how it works.

media dollars have very little to do with an individual school's seeming "value".

it's about eyeballs. and do certain matchups bring eyeballs.

So it's accumulative.

more schools, equals more matchups, equals more eyeballs, equals more ad dollars.

Now there can be an issue of questioning how many schools in a conference is too many due to being unwieldy for the bureaucracy to handle. And conference members may question whether having more members reduces the value of their in-conference vote, or could negatively impact their ability to recruit, or whatever.

And for perception reasons, P5 conferences seem to tend to prefer to add schools at the top half of fbs.

But for media deals? In general, the more the merrier.

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