(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

The offense looked incredible yesterday, it ran awesome without him. Even the announcers were constantly commenting about how fantastic we looked. Great ball movement, uncontested shots, we shot great, we don't need him.

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

Context... He was not saying Alo should only be playing 6-8 minutes if healthy but stating to get him back from just 6-8 minutes while healing would be a big help...

Unfortunately, with groin and hamstring type injuries you are basically limited to nothing while you wait for it to heal. They are incredibly easy to aggravate and create a major setback.

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

(01-15-2023 06:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On one hand I want to see one of the 4 from Kennedy, McCadden, Franklin, or JLawson to step up and fill his shoes.

I like Franklin and McCadden. I am not a big fan of Kennedy. Lawson is our best 3 point shooter and we are desperate for someone who can make 3s, but he hasnt necessarily made 3s when they were crucial (he has, but not consistently) and his defense is not good...

but, at the same time, 59 pts from Temple is one of our lowest opponents score this season.

It wasn't because of our stellar defense...

(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

(01-16-2023 09:46 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

Context... He was not saying Alo should only be playing 6-8 minutes if healthy but stating to get him back from just 6-8 minutes while healing would be a big help...

Unfortunately, with groin and hamstring type injuries you are basically limited to nothing while you wait for it to heal. They are incredibly easy to aggravate and create a major setback.

Unless it's a very minor strain I wouldn't expect to see him back for at least another month. And even then he's subject to re-injuring it if he tries to play at full speed.

(01-16-2023 09:47 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

I agree but I don't think it's a matter of getting better rather than performing better, like he is capable of doing. Like I said earlier I don't think he's quite found his groove yet. Once he does I think he'll be a major contributor. Let's just hope he does in fact find it soon. I honestly think he's of a similar caliber to KD even though his performances to date don't show it.

(01-16-2023 09:47 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

I'm hoping so. We have to have someone we can count on. Right now this is the toughest situation I remember us having as far as 2's and 3's. This team would have been entirely different if Q came back. Ughhh. Is what it is though

(01-16-2023 09:46 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:21 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Need him back

Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

Context... He was not saying Alo should only be playing 6-8 minutes if healthy but stating to get him back from just 6-8 minutes while healing would be a big help...

Unfortunately, with groin and hamstring type injuries you are basically limited to nothing while you wait for it to heal. They are incredibly easy to aggravate and create a major setback.

We certainly need more than 6-8 minutes from him, that's for sure.

(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Exactly. Harris is great in context. Unfortunately, he would be a liability on this Tigers team, and he absolutely wouldn't be as effective on defense as Lomax.

(01-16-2023 10:20 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:47 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:38 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand. Absolutely, we need him back in the worst way. Hopefully he recovers soon.

If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

I'm hoping so. We have to have someone we can count on. Right now this is the toughest situation I remember us having as far as 2's and 3's. This team would have been entirely different if Q came back. Ughhh. Is what it is though

If any of Nolley, LQ or Tyler came back, they would have had so many wide open shots, it would have been crazy. LQ and Tyler handle the ball well enough to play the 2. Our opponents run at least 2 players at Davis when he has the ball knowing that they probably aren't going to get punished when he dishes off to another player. They wouldn't have that luxury with LQ and Tyler. Our offense would be night and day.

On a side note, you don't live or die with one shot, but Franklin had a very wide open 3 that would have actually given us the lead in the second overtime...and he missed it badly. Players generally have bad three point shooting percentages because some of their shots are contested. So if a player shoots 36%, he is probably shooting 48% when it is uncontested and 24% when it is contested. Our players are missing the wide open ones, it's very discouraging.

Having said that, there is nothing to suggest that Franklin or Kennedy will ever be good from outside. They are typically around 30%. The only hope that they would improve would be from not being the focal point, and being more selective. So far that obviously hasn't happened. McCadden is another story. He has proven that he can shoot around 35% over the course of the season.

Ideally, all three would play the 3 IF we had a very good 2 guard.

(01-15-2023 06:33 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On one hand I want to see one of the 4 from Kennedy, McCadden, Franklin, or JLawson to step up and fill his shoes.

I like Franklin and McCadden. I am not a big fan of Kennedy. Lawson is our best 3 point shooter and we are desperate for someone who can make 3s, but he hasnt necessarily made 3s when they were crucial (he has, but not consistently) and his defense is not good...

but, at the same time, 59 pts from Temple is one of our lowest opponents score this season.

That's because they shot 4-29 (13.8%) from three and 17-58 (29.3%) from the field in spite of open looks. If they had any shooters, it would have been lights out. Did you watch the game?

Trolling trolling trolling...keep it up troller.

He never stops

(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

(01-16-2023 11:02 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:33 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On one hand I want to see one of the 4 from Kennedy, McCadden, Franklin, or JLawson to step up and fill his shoes.

I like Franklin and McCadden. I am not a big fan of Kennedy. Lawson is our best 3 point shooter and we are desperate for someone who can make 3s, but he hasnt necessarily made 3s when they were crucial (he has, but not consistently) and his defense is not good...

but, at the same time, 59 pts from Temple is one of our lowest opponents score this season.

That's because they shot 4-29 (13.8%) from three and 17-58 (29.3%) from the field in spite of open looks. If they had any shooters, it would have been lights out. Did you watch the game?

Trolling trolling trolling...keep it up troller.

He never stops

The only posters trolling in this thread would be you and memtigbb. Think about that. Stay triggered.

(01-16-2023 11:02 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:33 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On one hand I want to see one of the 4 from Kennedy, McCadden, Franklin, or JLawson to step up and fill his shoes.

I like Franklin and McCadden. I am not a big fan of Kennedy. Lawson is our best 3 point shooter and we are desperate for someone who can make 3s, but he hasnt necessarily made 3s when they were crucial (he has, but not consistently) and his defense is not good...

but, at the same time, 59 pts from Temple is one of our lowest opponents score this season.

That's because they shot 4-29 (13.8%) from three and 17-58 (29.3%) from the field in spite of open looks. If they had any shooters, it would have been lights out. Did you watch the game?

Trolling trolling trolling...keep it up troller.

He never stops

I don't always agree with him, but...

Hicks, Battle and Dunn had 333 attempts from outside and hit 118 of them, at a clip of 35.4%. Yesterday they went 4-21 from outside, with a lot of them on wide open attemps. We had some wide open ones, but a lot of ours were contested.

How is he trolling on this one?

(01-16-2023 11:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:20 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:47 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:23 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  If he can just come back for 6-8 minutes a game to spell KD, that would be a win ..

6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

I'm hoping so. We have to have someone we can count on. Right now this is the toughest situation I remember us having as far as 2's and 3's. This team would have been entirely different if Q came back. Ughhh. Is what it is though

If any of Nolley, LQ or Tyler came back, they would have had so many wide open shots, it would have been crazy. LQ and Tyler handle the ball well enough to play the 2. Our opponents run at least 2 players at Davis when he has the ball knowing that they probably aren't going to get punished when he dishes off to another player. They wouldn't have that luxury with LQ and Tyler. Our offense would be night and day.

On a side note, you don't live or die with one shot, but Franklin had a very wide open 3 that would have actually given us the lead in the second overtime...and he missed it badly. Players generally have bad three point shooting percentages because some of their shots are contested. So if a player shoots 36%, he is probably shooting 48% when it is uncontested and 24% when it is contested. Our players are missing the wide open ones, it's very discouraging.

Having said that, there is nothing to suggest that Franklin or Kennedy will ever be good from outside. They are typically around 30%. The only hope that they would improve would be from not being the focal point, and being more selective. So far that obviously hasn't happened. McCadden is another story. He has proven that he can shoot around 35% over the course of the season.

Ideally, all three would play the 3 IF we had a very good 2 guard.

Good points I agree. Also, could you imagine if we had KD last year? It would have been the best starting 5 in college basketball, or at least top 2 or 3.

(01-16-2023 11:42 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Good points I agree. Also, could you imagine if we had KD last year? It would have been the best starting 5 in college basketball, or at least top 2 or 3.

We would have been a Final Four team, minimum, if we had Davis last year.

(01-16-2023 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

(01-16-2023 11:45 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:42 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Good points I agree. Also, could you imagine if we had KD last year? It would have been the best starting 5 in college basketball, or at least top 2 or 3.

We would have been a Final Four team, minimum, if we had Davis last year.

Agree. Could you imagine trying to defend that team? This may sound sacrilegious, but to me that could be a better starting lie-up on paper than our 08' squad:

KD = DR (Although one could argue that KD in his 4th year is a better college player than a freshman Rose)
LN = AA (This one is tough. Nolley more of a scorer, AA a great glue guy)
LQ < CDR (What can you say? CDR was a player)
DW > RD (Williams is just better than Dozier)
Duren = JD (This is a take your pick imo)

As an overall team though I would take 08'. The Chemistry on that team was the best of any team I follow regardless of sport. But last year would have been damn good with KD

(01-16-2023 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

Yep, been saying since he got here, I do not like the 5 man switch at all. We don't need our guards under the basket and we dont need our bigs out on the perimeter. That and the slap ball defense is just trouble IMO.