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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
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(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.
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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
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(01-15-2023 06:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On one hand I want to see one of the 4 from Kennedy, McCadden, Franklin, or JLawson to step up and fill his shoes.

I like Franklin and McCadden. I am not a big fan of Kennedy. Lawson is our best 3 point shooter and we are desperate for someone who can make 3s, but he hasnt necessarily made 3s when they were crucial (he has, but not consistently) and his defense is not good...

but, at the same time, 59 pts from Temple is one of our lowest opponents score this season.

That's because they shot 4-29 (13.8%) from three and 17-58 (29.3%) from the field in spite of open looks. If they had any shooters, it would have been lights out. Did you watch the game?

As the announcer said, both teams played poorly enough to lose.

Temple shot so poorly that they wouldn't have broken 50 if they hadn't totally dominated rebounding.

Second chance points
Temple 19
Tigers 4

How long has it been since an opponent shot under 30% and had 17 turnovers, yet we still needed a last second shot to win?

That's one way to look at it.

Another is...How long has it been since we've been 4-23 in 3-shooting and out-rebounded by 17 on the road, yet still won the game?
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(01-16-2023 12:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  That's one way to look at it.

Another is...How long has it been since we've been 4-23 in 3-shooting and out-rebounded by 17 on the road, yet still won the game?

Without a doubt we had Lady Luck with Davis on that last shot, but it was a thing of beauty and I'll take it.
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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
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(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.

Given the right horses, Penny's system will work. This year was tough because we lost key players, and the looming IARP challenges most certainly hurt recruiting. No one can reasonably assert this team is as talented as prior years, and I believe Penny knew this would be the case, hence the heavy reliance on seniors from the portal. I expect this to iron itself out next season with the class he's assembling.
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(01-16-2023 11:42 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  
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(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

I'm hoping so. We have to have someone we can count on. Right now this is the toughest situation I remember us having as far as 2's and 3's. This team would have been entirely different if Q came back. Ughhh. Is what it is though

If any of Nolley, LQ or Tyler came back, they would have had so many wide open shots, it would have been crazy. LQ and Tyler handle the ball well enough to play the 2. Our opponents run at least 2 players at Davis when he has the ball knowing that they probably aren't going to get punished when he dishes off to another player. They wouldn't have that luxury with LQ and Tyler. Our offense would be night and day.

On a side note, you don't live or die with one shot, but Franklin had a very wide open 3 that would have actually given us the lead in the second overtime...and he missed it badly. Players generally have bad three point shooting percentages because some of their shots are contested. So if a player shoots 36%, he is probably shooting 48% when it is uncontested and 24% when it is contested. Our players are missing the wide open ones, it's very discouraging.

Having said that, there is nothing to suggest that Franklin or Kennedy will ever be good from outside. They are typically around 30%. The only hope that they would improve would be from not being the focal point, and being more selective. So far that obviously hasn't happened. McCadden is another story. He has proven that he can shoot around 35% over the course of the season.

Ideally, all three would play the 3 IF we had a very good 2 guard.

Good points I agree. Also, could you imagine if we had KD last year? It would have been the best starting 5 in college basketball, or at least top 2 or 3.

KD last year or Duren this year and both are Final Four teams. Very frustrating. Does anyone ever actually realize that the Wiseman thing went on for over 3 years??? Name another program that has gone through bull**** anywhere close to this.

Wiseman
Over 3 years after being cleared twice, and the final verdict is that the NCAA would have given us a tournament ban of at least one year, before the IARP decided that we didn't deserve anything close to that. We should have had him for the entire season.

Williams
The NCAA never actually made a decision on him. Instead of making him eligible immediately, we had to wait until everyone got a waiver

Franklin & Young
Wait until the last possible minute with Franklin and nothing on Young.

The NCAA ******* us with Wiseman is the reason why we didn't make the (cancelled) tournament in 2020, and why we have had roster imbalance right now. The NCAA ******* us with Williams is the reason why we didn't make the tournament in 2021.

More than 3 years for Wiseman. Now the NCAA has ZERO power, they can go **** themselves.
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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
(01-16-2023 12:24 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
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(01-16-2023 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
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(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.

Given the right horses, Penny's system will work. This year was tough because we lost key players, and the looming IARP challenges most certainly hurt recruiting. No one can reasonably assert this team is as talented as prior years, and I believe Penny knew this would be the case, hence the heavy reliance on seniors from the portal. I expect this to iron itself out next season with the class he's assembling.

I'm beginning to think Larry Brown had something to do with the change in recruiting strategy last year. He was here, we went after vets. Penny returns to after high profile HSers, Brown is BOH.
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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
(01-16-2023 12:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(01-15-2023 09:36 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny blew it pushing Tyler Harris out.. Damaria Franklin was overrated as f*ck..

I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.

But what good is it to take 3/4 of the season to consistently gel only to find ourselves fighting into the tournament for an 8 or 9 seed.

It should not take 3/4 of a season to gel every year. Perhaps the system is too complicated or the system is not right for the personnel it is being applied to.

In the past season it sounds like defense was the only focus in practice at the expense of offense. This season it seems like he tried to balance out the focus in early season practices and that appears to be to the detriment of our defense now. 5 years in, at some point you have to be willing to adjust a little because the pattern right now is not working.
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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
(01-16-2023 12:24 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 12:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.

Given the right horses, Penny's system will work. This year was tough because we lost key players, and the looming IARP challenges most certainly hurt recruiting. No one can reasonably assert this team is as talented as prior years, and I believe Penny knew this would be the case, hence the heavy reliance on seniors from the portal. I expect this to iron itself out next season with the class he's assembling.

That is exactly my point. Getting the "horses" necessary at the college level to run the system is not afforded to many college rosters...
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(01-16-2023 12:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  That is exactly my point. Getting the "horses" necessary at the college level to run the system is not afforded to many college rosters...

That's a fair point, but I have a question. Has Penny shown that without external factors impacting our program (e.g. the NCAA), that he is among the best recruiters currently in college basketball?
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(01-16-2023 12:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I'm beginning to think Larry Brown had something to do with the change in recruiting strategy last year. He was here, we went after vets. Penny returns to after high profile HSers, Brown is BOH.

That could be one explanation, but there was significant noise last year that coaches were scaring away high value recruits by playing up impending NCAA action against the school.
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(01-16-2023 12:52 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 12:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.

But what good is it to take 3/4 of the season to consistently gel only to find ourselves fighting into the tournament for an 8 or 9 seed.

It should not take 3/4 of a season to gel every year. Perhaps the system is too complicated or the system is not right for the personnel it is being applied to.

In the past season it sounds like defense was the only focus in practice at the expense of offense. This season it seems like he tried to balance out the focus in early season practices and that appears to be to the detriment of our defense now. 5 years in, at some point you have to be willing to adjust a little because the pattern right now is not working.

I don't know how much better this group can get. I think Penny is getting close to the max with them, with the exception of Franklin. They do seem to be improving gradually, even if some of the games are rough.
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(01-16-2023 12:52 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 12:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 09:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I don't think he was necessarily over-rated. I think he just hasn't found his groove yet.

Hell, you could say the same about KD, he's missed a LOT of shots lately even with his high scoring numbers. Many of those come late in the game off of free throws. No one is shooting over Franklin with ease, something our opponents took advantage of when Harris was here. You aren't going to win the big ones with two sub 6 ft guards unless one of them is a clone of KD, Harris aint that guy.

Obviously, it's the NBA and obviously they are two great players, but the Raptors won an NBA title with Lowry and VanVleet, who are tiny by NBA standards, and VanVleet didn't have great stats.

I think you can absolutely win with two very small guards, but not in a system where you are switching everything on defense.

Ding ding ding... This is one of those odd Penny stubbornness ideals. Switching can be done and managed at the NBA but there are very very very few college teams that have a roster that allow them to switch everything like we try to do. Our guards get pinned in the post, our bigs end up on an island on defense and we have no clue how to rotate when switching.

I mean, we've been switching since Penny's been here. He's always had top 30-ish D's with two top 5 D's.

This group just hasn't figured it out yet. Elijah, Damari, KK are so interchangeable and can guard so many positions. I think it will happen by tourney time.

But what good is it to take 3/4 of the season to consistently gel only to find ourselves fighting into the tournament for an 8 or 9 seed.

It should not take 3/4 of a season to gel every year. Perhaps the system is too complicated or the system is not right for the personnel it is being applied to.

In the past season it sounds like defense was the only focus in practice at the expense of offense. This season it seems like he tried to balance out the focus in early season practices and that appears to be to the detriment of our defense now. 5 years in, at some point you have to be willing to adjust a little because the pattern right now is not working.

But the past has obviously been early season offensive woes. The D has been very effective for most of the prior year's full schedule.

And since we rolled thru the OOC schedule pretty well, I wouldn't say that is a fair comparison this year.

The D has definitely not been up to Penny's standards. I don't know what the reason is, but I just don't think it's philosophy.
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(01-16-2023 02:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  But the past has obviously been early season offensive woes. The D has been very effective for most of the prior year's full schedule.

And since we rolled thru the OOC schedule pretty well, I wouldn't say that is a fair comparison this year.

The D has definitely not been up to Penny's standards. I don't know what the reason is, but I just don't think it's philosophy.

Physical attributes and talent. We just don't have the same roster.
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(01-16-2023 12:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  That is exactly my point. Getting the "horses" necessary at the college level to run the system is not afforded to many college rosters...

That's a fair point, but I have a question. Has Penny shown that without external factors impacting our program (e.g. the NCAA), that he is among the best recruiters currently in college basketball?

Yes, he is an elite recruiter. But this is not just recruiting a bunch of top 15 kids. Emoni, could not play in this defensive scheme and he a top level recruit. You have to have 5 guys on the court that can guard practically all 5 positions or have an elite rim protector. This roster has neither of those components much less both.

My assumption is that McCadden and KK where supposed to be elite level defensive players that could guard multiple positions but they completely lost on the switching defense and alternatively are very limited offensively.
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(01-16-2023 02:09 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 02:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  But the past has obviously been early season offensive woes. The D has been very effective for most of the prior year's full schedule.

And since we rolled thru the OOC schedule pretty well, I wouldn't say that is a fair comparison this year.

The D has definitely not been up to Penny's standards. I don't know what the reason is, but I just don't think it's philosophy.

Physical attributes and talent. We just don't have the same roster.

Exactly. We do not have the roster this year to run his system... But Penny is stubborn to a fault at times. This is one of those times. We are trying to run a system that he does not have the athletes to run. That is one of the struggles of coaching. The philosophy that worked with last year's roster may not work with this year's roster and you have to be willing to make those significant and minor adjustments to aide your roster.
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(01-16-2023 11:42 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  
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(01-16-2023 10:20 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 09:47 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 09:07 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  6 - 8 minutes? Alo is the best available player to put at the 2 we have. He should be getting the second most playing time amongst guards outside of KD. Have you not watched any of the games?

I will say this. I expect Franklin to take a big step up by the last 5-10 games of the season. He is going to continue to get better and better.

I'm hoping so. We have to have someone we can count on. Right now this is the toughest situation I remember us having as far as 2's and 3's. This team would have been entirely different if Q came back. Ughhh. Is what it is though

If any of Nolley, LQ or Tyler came back, they would have had so many wide open shots, it would have been crazy. LQ and Tyler handle the ball well enough to play the 2. Our opponents run at least 2 players at Davis when he has the ball knowing that they probably aren't going to get punished when he dishes off to another player. They wouldn't have that luxury with LQ and Tyler. Our offense would be night and day.

On a side note, you don't live or die with one shot, but Franklin had a very wide open 3 that would have actually given us the lead in the second overtime...and he missed it badly. Players generally have bad three point shooting percentages because some of their shots are contested. So if a player shoots 36%, he is probably shooting 48% when it is uncontested and 24% when it is contested. Our players are missing the wide open ones, it's very discouraging.

Having said that, there is nothing to suggest that Franklin or Kennedy will ever be good from outside. They are typically around 30%. The only hope that they would improve would be from not being the focal point, and being more selective. So far that obviously hasn't happened. McCadden is another story. He has proven that he can shoot around 35% over the course of the season.

Ideally, all three would play the 3 IF we had a very good 2 guard.

Good points I agree. Also, could you imagine if we had KD last year? It would have been the best starting 5 in college basketball, or at least top 2 or 3.

....or even Timme---but we didn't
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RE: When is Lomax projected to come back?
(01-16-2023 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Exactly. We do not have the roster this year to run his system... But Penny is stubborn to a fault at times. This is one of those times. We are trying to run a system that he does not have the athletes to run. That is one of the struggles of coaching. The philosophy that worked with last year's roster may not work with this year's roster and you have to be willing to make those significant and minor adjustments to aide your roster.

I believe that part of this is due to his sales pitch. The premise being that you need to come to Memphis where you can play NBA style ball, preparing you for a career beyond college hoops. There's no doubt in my mind that the team and staff are watching the game films, and none of us are there in practice to see what they're doing. Perhaps he's experimented with changes, and it made matter worse. Who knows?

One thing I do feel confident in is that Penny is a competitor and he wants to win games. I personally don't believe he would sabotage the success of the team and his personal reputation if the solution was such an easy fix. Many people seemed convinced that not starting Lomax was an easy solution, and we see how well that worked out yesterday. Ultimately, I'm optimistic that this season will prove to be a one-off where a number of factors converged, limiting the overall potential of the team.
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(01-16-2023 12:05 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:45 AM)msu35 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 11:42 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Good points I agree. Also, could you imagine if we had KD last year? It would have been the best starting 5 in college basketball, or at least top 2 or 3.

We would have been a Final Four team, minimum, if we had Davis last year.

Agree. Could you imagine trying to defend that team? This may sound sacrilegious, but to me that could be a better starting lie-up on paper than our 08' squad:

KD = DR (Although one could argue that KD in his 4th year is a better college player than a freshman Rose)
LN = AA (This one is tough. Nolley more of a scorer, AA a great glue guy)
LQ < CDR (What can you say? CDR was a player)
DW > RD (Williams is just better than Dozier)
Duren = JD (This is a take your pick imo)

As an overall team though I would take 08'. The Chemistry on that team was the best of any team I follow regardless of sport. But last year would have been damn good with KD

Davis=Rose 03-lmfao 01-wingedeagle-----Nolley=Anderson 03-lmfao -01-wingedeagle------JMO
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(01-16-2023 02:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Exactly. We do not have the roster this year to run his system... But Penny is stubborn to a fault at times. This is one of those times. We are trying to run a system that he does not have the athletes to run. That is one of the struggles of coaching. The philosophy that worked with last year's roster may not work with this year's roster and you have to be willing to make those significant and minor adjustments to aide your roster.

I believe that part of this is due to his sales pitch. The premise being that you need to come to Memphis where you can play NBA style ball, preparing you for a career beyond college hoops. There's no doubt in my mind that the team and staff are watching the game films, and none of us are there in practice to see what they're doing. Perhaps he's experimented with changes, and it made matter worse. Who knows?

One thing I do feel confident in is that Penny is a competitor and he wants to win games. I personally don't believe he would sabotage the success of the team and his personal reputation if the solution was such an easy fix. Many people seemed convinced that not starting Lomax was an easy solution, and we see how well that worked out yesterday. Ultimately, I'm optimistic that this season will prove to be a one-off where a number of factors converged, limiting the overall potential of the team.

Genuinely curious, not trolling, what would've changed yesterday had Lomax been on the court as a starter?

Would we have knocked down more 3's? Would our spacing on offense be better with him on the floor to allow us to have even more wide open looks than we already did and shoot better than 37%? Would we have given up less 2nd chance points (I could say this is a maybe)? Would Temple have shot less than 29% from the field? Would they have turned the ball over more than 17 times?
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(01-16-2023 03:16 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 02:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
(01-16-2023 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Exactly. We do not have the roster this year to run his system... But Penny is stubborn to a fault at times. This is one of those times. We are trying to run a system that he does not have the athletes to run. That is one of the struggles of coaching. The philosophy that worked with last year's roster may not work with this year's roster and you have to be willing to make those significant and minor adjustments to aide your roster.

I believe that part of this is due to his sales pitch. The premise being that you need to come to Memphis where you can play NBA style ball, preparing you for a career beyond college hoops. There's no doubt in my mind that the team and staff are watching the game films, and none of us are there in practice to see what they're doing. Perhaps he's experimented with changes, and it made matter worse. Who knows?

One thing I do feel confident in is that Penny is a competitor and he wants to win games. I personally don't believe he would sabotage the success of the team and his personal reputation if the solution was such an easy fix. Many people seemed convinced that not starting Lomax was an easy solution, and we see how well that worked out yesterday. Ultimately, I'm optimistic that this season will prove to be a one-off where a number of factors converged, limiting the overall potential of the team.

Genuinely curious, not trolling, what would've changed yesterday had Lomax been on the court as a starter?

Would we have knocked down more 3's? Would our spacing on offense be better with him on the floor to allow us to have even more wide open looks than we already did and shoot better than 37%? Would we have given up less 2nd chance points (I could say this is a maybe)? Would Temple have shot less than 29% from the field? Would they have turned the ball over more than 17 times?

3pt%---Davis .277------team avg.- .307-------ALO .318

37.9% FG% --team season avg. FG% with ALO .468

29.3% FG%--opponents season avg .387

17 turnovers---opponents season avg 16.5

ALO leading the entire team in defensive +/-PLUS/MINUS 5.2
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