UCF and Memphis - last 4 in

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/...redictions

IMO, we have to win one against Houston to be in the tourney.

I think this team drops 1 or 2 more games on the road in addition to losing @ Houston.

I think we can beat Houston at home.

This team has given me zero faith that we can make it through @Temple, @Cincinnati, @USF, @ Tulsa, and @SMU unscathed. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Temple and Cincinnati are favorites at their place.

I see this team with 8 losses going into the conference tournament.

(01-13-2023 01:19 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I think this team drops 1 or 2 more games on the road in addition to losing @ Houston.

I think we can beat Houston at home.

This team has given me zero faith that we can make it through @Temple, @Cincinnati, @USF, @ Tulsa, and @SMU unscathed. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Temple and Cincinnati are favorites at their place.

Cincinnati, perhaps, but Temple, I doubt it.

Beating Houston this year without guys like Duren inside and Lester, Tyler and Landers that shot so well when we beat them will be damn near impossible

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  Beating Houston this year without guys like Duren inside and Lester, Tyler and Landers that shot so well when we beat them will be damn near impossible

I have almost complete faith in this team at home (even against Houston). I think we would've beaten Alabama (again) at home.
We'll beat UCF and Tulane like a drum at home. I'm sure we would've similarly handled SLU and Seton Hall in the Forum.

On the road, I have no confidence in this team. Like last year, I bet this team is 15-20 points different on the road vs. at home.

It's crazy the point differentials in comparing home and away matchups last year
UCF +38 points at home
ECU +18 points at home
Tulane +12 points at home

(01-13-2023 11:34 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  UCF and Memphis - last 4 in

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/...redictions

IMO, we have to win one against Houston to be in the tourney.

Disagree. I think we can lose both games to Houston plus an away game to a respectable opponent and still get in. Just look at San Fran's resume from last year. Ours would be miles better than that.

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  Beating Houston this year without guys like Duren inside and Lester, Tyler and Landers that shot so well when we beat them will be damn near impossible

I have almost complete faith in this team at home (even against Houston). I think we would've beaten Alabama (again) at home.
We'll beat UCF and Tulane like a drum at home. I'm sure we would've similarly handled SLU and Seton Hall in the Forum.

On the road, I have no confidence in this team. Like last year, I bet this team is 15-20 points different on the road vs. at home.

It's crazy the point differentials in comparing home and away matchups last year
UCF +38 points at home
ECU +18 points at home
Tulane +12 points at home

Penny’s teams seem to struggle on the road for sure.

(01-13-2023 01:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  Beating Houston this year without guys like Duren inside and Lester, Tyler and Landers that shot so well when we beat them will be damn near impossible

I have almost complete faith in this team at home (even against Houston). I think we would've beaten Alabama (again) at home.
We'll beat UCF and Tulane like a drum at home. I'm sure we would've similarly handled SLU and Seton Hall in the Forum.

On the road, I have no confidence in this team. Like last year, I bet this team is 15-20 points different on the road vs. at home.

It's crazy the point differentials in comparing home and away matchups last year
UCF +38 points at home
ECU +18 points at home
Tulane +12 points at home

Penny’s teams seem to struggle on the road for sure.

Most teams find it more difficult on the road.

Guess I can stop watching the games. Season's over.

(01-13-2023 02:00 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  Beating Houston this year without guys like Duren inside and Lester, Tyler and Landers that shot so well when we beat them will be damn near impossible

I have almost complete faith in this team at home (even against Houston). I think we would've beaten Alabama (again) at home.
We'll beat UCF and Tulane like a drum at home. I'm sure we would've similarly handled SLU and Seton Hall in the Forum.

On the road, I have no confidence in this team. Like last year, I bet this team is 15-20 points different on the road vs. at home.

It's crazy the point differentials in comparing home and away matchups last year
UCF +38 points at home
ECU +18 points at home
Tulane +12 points at home

Penny’s teams seem to struggle on the road for sure.

Most teams find it more difficult on the road.

True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

(01-13-2023 02:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

Add Seton Hall to your "decent" list, and Tulane is moving up at 4-1 in the conference and 11-5 overall. The UGA loss last year wasn't great, but the team shifted gears and finished out the season strong. I suspect we'll beat ECU on the road this year.

To reiterate, you want to know a trend? It's tougher for all teams to win on the road, that's why road losses don't hurt a team in analytics like a home loss. Something to consider.

(01-13-2023 01:44 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:34 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  UCF and Memphis - last 4 in

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/...redictions

IMO, we have to win one against Houston to be in the tourney.

Disagree. I think we can lose both games to Houston plus an away game to a respectable opponent and still get in. Just look at San Fran's resume from last year. Ours would be miles better than that.

I hope that doesn’t happen. If we lose both to Houston and another game, we are firmly on the bubble, probably on the outside looking in

Posters complain about Lunardi and everyone else, and then in the next sentence, talk in absolutes about having to do this or that to get in, or saying we are out unless we win the conference tournament. Ridiculous.

That’s the point of a message board. It’s all speculation and fun to talk about. Some folks take it way too seriously

(01-13-2023 02:34 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

Add Seton Hall to your "decent" list, and Tulane is moving up at 4-1 in the conference and 11-5 overall. The UGA loss last year wasn't great, but the team shifted gears and finished out the season strong. I suspect we'll beat ECU on the road this year.

To reiterate, you want to know a trend? It's tougher for all teams to win on the road, that's why road losses don't hurt a team in analytics like a home loss. Something to consider.

All I’m saying is, I get where the other poster is coming from. We really have no clue who we might lose to on the road. Regardless of how hard it is to play on the road, if you lose to enough bad teams, you’re gonna find yourself on the outside looking in. Anyways, I hope we can flip a switch and go on a run.

FWIW I doubt the committee looks at our conference and thinks anyone is really that great outside of Houston. We would be next on the list, but the 2nd best team has to prove it.

(01-13-2023 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:34 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

Add Seton Hall to your "decent" list, and Tulane is moving up at 4-1 in the conference and 11-5 overall. The UGA loss last year wasn't great, but the team shifted gears and finished out the season strong. I suspect we'll beat ECU on the road this year.

To reiterate, you want to know a trend? It's tougher for all teams to win on the road, that's why road losses don't hurt a team in analytics like a home loss. Something to consider.

All I’m saying is, I get where the other poster is coming from. We really have no clue who we might lose to on the road. Regardless of how hard it is to play on the road, if you lose to enough bad teams, you’re gonna find yourself on the outside looking in. Anyways, I hope we can flip a switch and go on a run.

FWIW I doubt the committee looks at our conference and thinks anyone is really that great outside of Houston. We would be next on the list, but the 2nd best team has to prove it.

Who knows what arcane formulas and black magic voodoo go into the selection committee's decision making? Ultimately, we still have a chance and the season isn't over. Common sense dictates that if we lose more, especially to poor competition, it will hurt us. Then again, there is still opportunity and we're not out yet. Not even close.

The doom and gloom is silly. Let the season play out. Why be so negative and pessimistic? I find being a glass half-full person to be more fun, but I suppose it's not for everyone.

(01-13-2023 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:34 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

Add Seton Hall to your "decent" list, and Tulane is moving up at 4-1 in the conference and 11-5 overall. The UGA loss last year wasn't great, but the team shifted gears and finished out the season strong. I suspect we'll beat ECU on the road this year.

To reiterate, you want to know a trend? It's tougher for all teams to win on the road, that's why road losses don't hurt a team in analytics like a home loss. Something to consider.

All I’m saying is, I get where the other poster is coming from. We really have no clue who we might lose to on the road. Regardless of how hard it is to play on the road, if you lose to enough bad teams, you’re gonna find yourself on the outside looking in. Anyways, I hope we can flip a switch and go on a run.

FWIW I doubt the committee looks at our conference and thinks anyone is really that great outside of Houston. We would be next on the list, but the 2nd best team has to prove it.

Based on what? What is the criteria?

(01-13-2023 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:34 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

Add Seton Hall to your "decent" list, and Tulane is moving up at 4-1 in the conference and 11-5 overall. The UGA loss last year wasn't great, but the team shifted gears and finished out the season strong. I suspect we'll beat ECU on the road this year.

To reiterate, you want to know a trend? It's tougher for all teams to win on the road, that's why road losses don't hurt a team in analytics like a home loss. Something to consider.

All I’m saying is, I get where the other poster is coming from. We really have no clue who we might lose to on the road. Regardless of how hard it is to play on the road, if you lose to enough bad teams, you’re gonna find yourself on the outside looking in. Anyways, I hope we can flip a switch and go on a run.

FWIW I doubt the committee looks at our conference and thinks anyone is really that great outside of Houston. We would be next on the list, but the 2nd best team has to prove it.

We lost to UCF because of coaching...11 points up with 5 minutes to go.

Hopefully we win those games in the future

(01-13-2023 03:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  We lost to UCF because of coaching...11 points up with 5 minutes to go.

Hopefully we win those games in the future

Right, the pivotal no call for Davis had nothing to do with it? What about the absolutely horrible shooting from the team at the end when it really mattered? I'm not saying that all of Penny's coaching decisions are perfect, but your take isn't the big picture and surely not the primary factor in losing the game.

(01-13-2023 03:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:34 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  True, but I still don’t think we should lose to the likes of UGA, ECU, Tulane and Seton Hall. SLU and UCF are decent. I’m sure I could go back further than last season to find more rat teams we’ve lost to on the road. It’s definitely a trend.

Add Seton Hall to your "decent" list, and Tulane is moving up at 4-1 in the conference and 11-5 overall. The UGA loss last year wasn't great, but the team shifted gears and finished out the season strong. I suspect we'll beat ECU on the road this year.

To reiterate, you want to know a trend? It's tougher for all teams to win on the road, that's why road losses don't hurt a team in analytics like a home loss. Something to consider.

All I’m saying is, I get where the other poster is coming from. We really have no clue who we might lose to on the road. Regardless of how hard it is to play on the road, if you lose to enough bad teams, you’re gonna find yourself on the outside looking in. Anyways, I hope we can flip a switch and go on a run.

FWIW I doubt the committee looks at our conference and thinks anyone is really that great outside of Houston. We would be next on the list, but the 2nd best team has to prove it.

Based on what? What is the criteria?

Expectations? Program prestige? Wanting the 2nd team to be someone other than a team like UCF that no one cares about?