(01-12-2023 12:14 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:45 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 06:40 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 06:10 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 04:27 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  ....
It just means more...

Saying this about football at a university is not the compliment some people think it is, but OK.

On the flip side if a school cites academics during athletic competition, it just means they are losing.

It means the school consoles its own in times of disappointment by remembering what matters most.

Knowledge. It just means more.

I mean we're not on a "College Academics Realignment" board. Remember those famous words from an SEC star:

We Ain't Come to Play School...

Oh wait, that was a player for an AAU B1G school that said that.

Well until college sports go full semi-pro and disaffiliate from universities, anyone discussing the merits of their school’s or conference‘s academics or research will have a point. *shrug*

(01-12-2023 11:51 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 09:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  AP Titles

All my homies use UPI instead of AP.

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i actually used to like it better (as do UW and GT fans), but lately coaches aren't even sending in their own ballots. At some point, consistency of number of teams ranked or ease of finding data, I started keeping track only of the AP rankings.

(01-10-2023 04:27 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  No this isn't another thread to pile on TCU (there's three or four quo threads up already for that). I'm a Bama grad/season ticket holder who was perfectly fine that TCU earned their spot regardless of last night's outcome.

No this one is to pile on the Big Ten. For all the money, big time media contracts, etc. when it comes down to it, the on-field results aren't there.

There have now been 25 seasons since the BCS and then CFP brought all conferences under the same umbrella for bowl purposes. There have been 26 champions (including the USC AP split in 2003). The SEC has won 15 of those championships. The Big Ten... two. SIX different SEC teams have won those titles, four of whom won multiple titles in that span. Both Big Ten titles were from the same program. LSU won titles with THREE different head coaches during that time.

If someone thinks 25 is a convenient cut off because Michigan won a share of the last pre-BCS title, fine. That's three titles out of 28 champions in a 26 year span. But prior to that, you have to go back to 1968 to get a Big Ten wire service championship.

As far as results, the Big Ten's best non-conference win this year was Ohio St beating a Notre Dame team that lost four games, including to Marshall. It's second best result was Penn St beating a 5-7 Auburn team with a dead man walking for a coach.

Big Ten teams beating other Big Ten teams to build records is meaningless, and hopefully at some point that's reflected in the polls. Ohio held up beating Penn St as their biggest win; all Penn St did was not lose to the dregs of the conference. Good for them but in reality that matters as much to a national ranking as being 10-2 in the MAC.

It just means more...

It's not close to accurate to say that the Big Ten's second best win was Penn State over Auburn. Or that Penn State only beat Big Ten teams.

Better wins than Auburn:

Penn State beat #8 Utah in the bowl game
Iowa beat 7-5 Kentucky 21-0
Maryland beat #23 NC State (in a bowl game that was effectively a home game for NC State)
Wisconsin beat 7-5 Oklahoma State

The SEC had a great year, with 3 of the top 6 teams!

But let's not pretend that #10 in the SEC should be ranked top-15 in the country... I mean, as long as we're picking-and-choosing metrics, I'd point out that the champion of the SEC West lost a home game to a team that was 5-3 in ACC conference play.

(01-12-2023 03:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 04:27 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  No this isn't another thread to pile on TCU (there's three or four quo threads up already for that). I'm a Bama grad/season ticket holder who was perfectly fine that TCU earned their spot regardless of last night's outcome.

No this one is to pile on the Big Ten. For all the money, big time media contracts, etc. when it comes down to it, the on-field results aren't there.

There have now been 25 seasons since the BCS and then CFP brought all conferences under the same umbrella for bowl purposes. There have been 26 champions (including the USC AP split in 2003). The SEC has won 15 of those championships. The Big Ten... two. SIX different SEC teams have won those titles, four of whom won multiple titles in that span. Both Big Ten titles were from the same program. LSU won titles with THREE different head coaches during that time.

If someone thinks 25 is a convenient cut off because Michigan won a share of the last pre-BCS title, fine. That's three titles out of 28 champions in a 26 year span. But prior to that, you have to go back to 1968 to get a Big Ten wire service championship.

As far as results, the Big Ten's best non-conference win this year was Ohio St beating a Notre Dame team that lost four games, including to Marshall. It's second best result was Penn St beating a 5-7 Auburn team with a dead man walking for a coach.

Big Ten teams beating other Big Ten teams to build records is meaningless, and hopefully at some point that's reflected in the polls. Ohio held up beating Penn St as their biggest win; all Penn St did was not lose to the dregs of the conference. Good for them but in reality that matters as much to a national ranking as being 10-2 in the MAC.

It just means more...

It's not close to accurate to say that the Big Ten's second best win was Penn State over Auburn. Or that Penn State only beat Big Ten teams.

Better wins than Auburn:

Penn State beat #8 Utah in the bowl game
Iowa beat 7-5 Kentucky 21-0
Maryland beat #23 NC State (in a bowl game that was effectively a home game for NC State)
Wisconsin beat 7-5 Oklahoma State

The SEC had a great year, with 3 of the top 6 teams!

But let's not pretend that #10 in the SEC should be ranked top-15 in the country... I mean, as long as we're picking-and-choosing metrics, I'd point out that the champion of the SEC West lost a home game to a team that was 5-3 in ACC conference play.

About the bolded, fair enough - though LSU lost to FSU by the margin of a missed XP, and the game was in New Orleans, certainly LSU territory but not exactly the same as a game in Tiger Stadium - but that same champion of the SEC West also eradicated the champion of the B1G West by 56 points, a record-tying bowl game MOV, until Georgia broke it a few days later.

Also, since all of the better-than-Auburn wins you point out for the B1G happened in bowl games, I suspect the OP was talking about the regular season, though only he would know that for sure.

All season long, I found it striking how few major OOC pelts most of the P5 conferences had, except for the SEC. During the regular season, SEC teams beat the PAC champ and the ACC champ. To my knowledge, no other P5 conference had an OOC pelt anything like that, the only other one that did was a G5 conference, the AAC, as Tulane beat the Big 12 champ during the season.

(01-12-2023 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 04:27 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  No this isn't another thread to pile on TCU (there's three or four quo threads up already for that). I'm a Bama grad/season ticket holder who was perfectly fine that TCU earned their spot regardless of last night's outcome.

No this one is to pile on the Big Ten. For all the money, big time media contracts, etc. when it comes down to it, the on-field results aren't there.

There have now been 25 seasons since the BCS and then CFP brought all conferences under the same umbrella for bowl purposes. There have been 26 champions (including the USC AP split in 2003). The SEC has won 15 of those championships. The Big Ten... two. SIX different SEC teams have won those titles, four of whom won multiple titles in that span. Both Big Ten titles were from the same program. LSU won titles with THREE different head coaches during that time.

If someone thinks 25 is a convenient cut off because Michigan won a share of the last pre-BCS title, fine. That's three titles out of 28 champions in a 26 year span. But prior to that, you have to go back to 1968 to get a Big Ten wire service championship.

As far as results, the Big Ten's best non-conference win this year was Ohio St beating a Notre Dame team that lost four games, including to Marshall. It's second best result was Penn St beating a 5-7 Auburn team with a dead man walking for a coach.

Big Ten teams beating other Big Ten teams to build records is meaningless, and hopefully at some point that's reflected in the polls. Ohio held up beating Penn St as their biggest win; all Penn St did was not lose to the dregs of the conference. Good for them but in reality that matters as much to a national ranking as being 10-2 in the MAC.

It just means more...

It's not close to accurate to say that the Big Ten's second best win was Penn State over Auburn. Or that Penn State only beat Big Ten teams.

Better wins than Auburn:

Penn State beat #8 Utah in the bowl game
Iowa beat 7-5 Kentucky 21-0
Maryland beat #23 NC State (in a bowl game that was effectively a home game for NC State)
Wisconsin beat 7-5 Oklahoma State

The SEC had a great year, with 3 of the top 6 teams!

But let's not pretend that #10 in the SEC should be ranked top-15 in the country... I mean, as long as we're picking-and-choosing metrics, I'd point out that the champion of the SEC West lost a home game to a team that was 5-3 in ACC conference play.

About the bolded, fair enough - though LSU lost to FSU by the margin of a missed XP, and the game was in New Orleans, certainly LSU territory but not exactly the same as a game in Tiger Stadium - but that same champion of the SEC West also eradicated the champion of the B1G West by 56 points, a record-tying bowl game MOV, until Georgia broke it a few days later.

Also, since all of the better-than-Auburn wins you point out for the B1G happened in bowl games, I suspect the OP was talking about the regular season, though only he would know that for sure.

All season long, I found it striking how few major OOC pelts most of the P5 conferences had, except for the SEC. During the regular season, SEC teams beat the PAC champ and the ACC champ. To my knowledge, no other P5 conference had an OOC pelt anything like that, the only other one that did was a G5 conference, the AAC, as Tulane beat the Big 12 champ during the season.

Most P5 schools only schedule one ooc P5 school. So there aren't many opportunities, only 30-35 games. Its part of the reason it is so hard to compare teams.

(01-12-2023 05:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 04:27 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  No this isn't another thread to pile on TCU (there's three or four quo threads up already for that). I'm a Bama grad/season ticket holder who was perfectly fine that TCU earned their spot regardless of last night's outcome.

No this one is to pile on the Big Ten. For all the money, big time media contracts, etc. when it comes down to it, the on-field results aren't there.

There have now been 25 seasons since the BCS and then CFP brought all conferences under the same umbrella for bowl purposes. There have been 26 champions (including the USC AP split in 2003). The SEC has won 15 of those championships. The Big Ten... two. SIX different SEC teams have won those titles, four of whom won multiple titles in that span. Both Big Ten titles were from the same program. LSU won titles with THREE different head coaches during that time.

If someone thinks 25 is a convenient cut off because Michigan won a share of the last pre-BCS title, fine. That's three titles out of 28 champions in a 26 year span. But prior to that, you have to go back to 1968 to get a Big Ten wire service championship.

As far as results, the Big Ten's best non-conference win this year was Ohio St beating a Notre Dame team that lost four games, including to Marshall. It's second best result was Penn St beating a 5-7 Auburn team with a dead man walking for a coach.

Big Ten teams beating other Big Ten teams to build records is meaningless, and hopefully at some point that's reflected in the polls. Ohio held up beating Penn St as their biggest win; all Penn St did was not lose to the dregs of the conference. Good for them but in reality that matters as much to a national ranking as being 10-2 in the MAC.

It just means more...

It's not close to accurate to say that the Big Ten's second best win was Penn State over Auburn. Or that Penn State only beat Big Ten teams.

Better wins than Auburn:

Penn State beat #8 Utah in the bowl game
Iowa beat 7-5 Kentucky 21-0
Maryland beat #23 NC State (in a bowl game that was effectively a home game for NC State)
Wisconsin beat 7-5 Oklahoma State

The SEC had a great year, with 3 of the top 6 teams!

But let's not pretend that #10 in the SEC should be ranked top-15 in the country... I mean, as long as we're picking-and-choosing metrics, I'd point out that the champion of the SEC West lost a home game to a team that was 5-3 in ACC conference play.

About the bolded, fair enough - though LSU lost to FSU by the margin of a missed XP, and the game was in New Orleans, certainly LSU territory but not exactly the same as a game in Tiger Stadium - but that same champion of the SEC West also eradicated the champion of the B1G West by 56 points, a record-tying bowl game MOV, until Georgia broke it a few days later.

Also, since all of the better-than-Auburn wins you point out for the B1G happened in bowl games, I suspect the OP was talking about the regular season, though only he would know that for sure.

All season long, I found it striking how few major OOC pelts most of the P5 conferences had, except for the SEC. During the regular season, SEC teams beat the PAC champ and the ACC champ. To my knowledge, no other P5 conference had an OOC pelt anything like that, the only other one that did was a G5 conference, the AAC, as Tulane beat the Big 12 champ during the season.

Most P5 schools only schedule one ooc P5 school. So there aren't many opportunities, only 30-35 games. Its part of the reason it is so hard to compare teams.

Maybe it's getting worse, at least as far as heavyweight matchups? It seems that closer to the start of the CFP era, we had series like Ohio State vs Oklahoma in 2016/2017. Never a lot, but it seems like there are even fewer now.

In an odd way, I'd like to see the Big Ten have five or six teams win the next 10 national titles in both football and basketball.

(01-12-2023 06:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  In an odd way, I'd like to see the Big Ten have five or six teams win the next 10 national titles in both football and basketball.

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