(01-10-2023 09:00 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 01:12 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  So what? There certainly won’t be <more> drugs in that location because of that change. Others may utilize their property as they wish. The university has spent decades trying to dry up the area around campus on a misguided “moral” crusade, which has only served to destroy local businesses with little thought about what may eventually take their place. Consumers including students are fully capable of deciding which unobstructed businesses they wish to support. UT and local govt need not interfere. Please explain if you’re able, why is CBD less preferable than the alcohol that’s been peddled in that area for nearly a century? Try to turn your grumpy old dude filter down while replying so we can understand the substance of your grievance. Currently it reads to me as “old man yelling at change.”

A CBD store offers absolutely nothing for our students to do other than walking into a store and purchasing...CBD, and then walking right out. Jed's was a college bar where students gathered for birthday parties, dollar beer night, the big game, etc., etc. TampaRocket, who just had a son attend UT, stated it perfectly. This move just further diminishes that college feel. I also want the best for the city of Toledo, however, this isn't what other successful cities are building.

FYI, I guarantee you that you're older than me, bigmike. But I got a chuckle out of the old dude yelling comments.

There's old and there's old souls. Come on, give us your best "get off my grass."

"moral crusade," smh

Jeds was crap, but it was our crap. At least recently. I know 10s of bars selling and restarting and selling and restarting locally. You need some mula to take some time losing money before gaining a clientelle... it's not easy managing a bar. Even tougher with street issues and keeping fighting and underage drinking under control.

(01-10-2023 08:08 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 07:52 PM)Screwball Wrote:  Is this the same place that used to be a root beer stand years ago? There was a frat house next door.

Was a Bdubs first... maybe early 2000s. Then a bar for a short time before it became a Jeds and was expanded. It's been a Jeds since 08 maybe? First Google maps says so.

But there is a large frat house next doorm

I might have the names wrong, but that is the time frame, so you are probably right.

Thanks

(01-10-2023 06:41 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:21 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Back when Ohio was a 3.2 beer state, and Michigan wasn't, there was a huge influx across the border that filled up bars around UT. Plenty of students from Michigan, Eastern Michigan etc.

Huh? Then why were we boating up to Michigan to grab beer and bring it back? You only had to be 18 up there. Ours was 18 and 21. Maybe I'm having faulty memories.

edit: found it. Mich raised to 21 in late 70s, first state to do it. Ohio was still 19 and 21 until 88.

When I turned 18 I could drink any beer up in Michigan. In Ohio you could drink 3.2 (near beer, Sunday beer). Then it turned around after I turned 21. You had to be 21 to drink any beer in Michigan, but you could still drink 3.2 in Ohio in under 21, Still thought it was 18, but could have been 19. I didn't drink much alcohol of any kind back then - except for some infrequent binges after which I promised I would never drink alcohol again...

(01-10-2023 09:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:41 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:21 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Back when Ohio was a 3.2 beer state, and Michigan wasn't, there was a huge influx across the border that filled up bars around UT. Plenty of students from Michigan, Eastern Michigan etc.

Huh? Then why were we boating up to Michigan to grab beer and bring it back? You only had to be 18 up there. Ours was 18 and 21. Maybe I'm having faulty memories.

edit: found it. Mich raised to 21 in late 70s, first state to do it. Ohio was still 19 and 21 until 88.

When I turned 18 I could drink any beer up in Michigan. In Ohio you could drink 3.2 (near beer, Sunday beer). Then it turned around after I turned 21. You had to be 21 to drink any beer in Michigan, but you could still drink 3.2 in Ohio in under 21, Still thought it was 18, but could have been 19. I didn't drink much alcohol of any kind back then - except for some infrequent binges after which I promised I would never drink alcohol again...

It was a different time. You had to be 18 to drink but 18 year olds back then barely had facial hair....

The fake ID and the guy at the market that didn't look too hard at it.

(01-10-2023 12:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I was good friends with the owner who had that spot the majority of its life. It's had 3 new owners in the 5 years since it switched hands. The median may have saved some drunk kids lives crossing the street, but it really hurt business, for anyone going East bound didn't have a way to pull in. Also there is no left turn out of the building. The bar next to it, formerly known as Jax, the U, etc. never seemed stable in the past decade either.

Anyone go to that old Jax bar when it was the Cockeyed Eagle? Dime beer night.

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(01-10-2023 10:09 PM)emanoh Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I was good friends with the owner who had that spot the majority of its life. It's had 3 new owners in the 5 years since it switched hands. The median may have saved some drunk kids lives crossing the street, but it really hurt business, for anyone going East bound didn't have a way to pull in. Also there is no left turn out of the building. The bar next to it, formerly known as Jax, the U, etc. never seemed stable in the past decade either.

Anyone go to that old Jax bar when it was the Cockeyed Eagle? Dime beer night.

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My parents said that place used to be a hit. Hasn't been during or since my college carreer.

(01-10-2023 09:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 09:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:41 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:21 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Back when Ohio was a 3.2 beer state, and Michigan wasn't, there was a huge influx across the border that filled up bars around UT. Plenty of students from Michigan, Eastern Michigan etc.

Huh? Then why were we boating up to Michigan to grab beer and bring it back? You only had to be 18 up there. Ours was 18 and 21. Maybe I'm having faulty memories.

edit: found it. Mich raised to 21 in late 70s, first state to do it. Ohio was still 19 and 21 until 88.

When I turned 18 I could drink any beer up in Michigan. In Ohio you could drink 3.2 (near beer, Sunday beer). Then it turned around after I turned 21. You had to be 21 to drink any beer in Michigan, but you could still drink 3.2 in Ohio in under 21, Still thought it was 18, but could have been 19. I didn't drink much alcohol of any kind back then - except for some infrequent binges after which I promised I would never drink alcohol again...

It was a different time. You had to be 18 to drink but 18 year olds back then barely had facial hair....

The fake ID and the guy at the market that didn't look too hard at it.

A certain one, not far from the Palladium. One of the pharmacys(not Ace ) was also quite cooperative.
Otherwise you could drive up to Flick's over the Stateline.
Let's face it, a lot of us were looking at the possibilty of Vietnam. Having a non 3.2 beer, a rum and coke didn't seem like such a big deal.

(01-10-2023 09:00 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 01:12 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  So what? There certainly won’t be <more> drugs in that location because of that change. Others may utilize their property as they wish. The university has spent decades trying to dry up the area around campus on a misguided “moral” crusade, which has only served to destroy local businesses with little thought about what may eventually take their place. Consumers including students are fully capable of deciding which unobstructed businesses they wish to support. UT and local govt need not interfere. Please explain if you’re able, why is CBD less preferable than the alcohol that’s been peddled in that area for nearly a century? Try to turn your grumpy old dude filter down while replying so we can understand the substance of your grievance. Currently it reads to me as “old man yelling at change.”

A CBD store offers absolutely nothing for our students to do other than walking into a store and purchasing...CBD, and then walking right out. Jed's was a college bar where students gathered for birthday parties, dollar beer night, the big game, etc., etc. TampaRocket, who just had a son attend UT, stated it perfectly. This move just further diminishes that college feel. I also want the best for the city of Toledo, however, this isn't what other successful cities are building.

FYI, I guarantee you that you're older than me, bigmike. But I got a chuckle out of the old dude yelling comments.

It’s the main reason he left. He was losing his mind with nothing to do. Loved the football aspect, but quality of life was lacking. He’s at FSU now and could not be happier…missing football though.

(01-10-2023 10:09 PM)emanoh Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I was good friends with the owner who had that spot the majority of its life. It's had 3 new owners in the 5 years since it switched hands. The median may have saved some drunk kids lives crossing the street, but it really hurt business, for anyone going East bound didn't have a way to pull in. Also there is no left turn out of the building. The bar next to it, formerly known as Jax, the U, etc. never seemed stable in the past decade either.

Anyone go to that old Jax bar when it was the Cockeyed Eagle? Dime beer night.

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Hell yeah! The Cockeyed Eagle…had a lot of fun there.

(01-11-2023 11:02 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 09:00 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 01:12 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  So what? There certainly won’t be <more> drugs in that location because of that change. Others may utilize their property as they wish. The university has spent decades trying to dry up the area around campus on a misguided “moral” crusade, which has only served to destroy local businesses with little thought about what may eventually take their place. Consumers including students are fully capable of deciding which unobstructed businesses they wish to support. UT and local govt need not interfere. Please explain if you’re able, why is CBD less preferable than the alcohol that’s been peddled in that area for nearly a century? Try to turn your grumpy old dude filter down while replying so we can understand the substance of your grievance. Currently it reads to me as “old man yelling at change.”

A CBD store offers absolutely nothing for our students to do other than walking into a store and purchasing...CBD, and then walking right out. Jed's was a college bar where students gathered for birthday parties, dollar beer night, the big game, etc., etc. TampaRocket, who just had a son attend UT, stated it perfectly. This move just further diminishes that college feel. I also want the best for the city of Toledo, however, this isn't what other successful cities are building.

FYI, I guarantee you that you're older than me, bigmike. But I got a chuckle out of the old dude yelling comments.

It’s the main reason he left. He was losing his mind with nothing to do. Loved the football aspect, but quality of life was lacking. He’s at FSU now and could not be happier…missing football though.

Like FSU's campus. Different from S FL. schools. Reminds me more of being up north. Definitely seasonal changes.
Glad both of my kids ended up going to school locally, that drive from Boca to Tallahassee is not my favorite.

(01-10-2023 08:08 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 07:52 PM)Screwball Wrote:  Is this the same place that used to be a root beer stand years ago? There was a frat house next door.

Was a Bdubs first... maybe early 2000s. Then a bar for a short time before it became a Jeds and was expanded. It's been a Jeds since 08 maybe? First Google maps says so.

But there is a large frat house next doorm

Probably a Frisch's first. Long before alcohol entered the picture

(01-10-2023 03:42 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:34 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 02:41 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  drinking and alcohol abuse is still a major problem among college age population, but a number of studies have also shown that the % of college age (21+) students drinking has been on steady decline for last 20 years. While marijuana (legal/illegal), misusing prescription drugs and use of other illegal drugs have been on the rise among that same population over same time period.

That's likely true.

The college experience seems poorer than ever at UT.

Sad to see.

its not just at UT...same trends in term of less student involvement and engagement is a national trend - in part because of broader social changes, but students are more introverted, plus many needing to work to pay for college-so less time to be on our around campus for events, including bars..and fewer total students means less activities, organized groups, and less students attending on campus games

Agree.

Weed and electronics equal introverted tendencies such as less socialization, and worse demographics (birth rates).

Analysis: booze is great for large gatherings, on campus activities, and making kids

(01-11-2023 01:41 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:42 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:34 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 02:41 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  drinking and alcohol abuse is still a major problem among college age population, but a number of studies have also shown that the % of college age (21+) students drinking has been on steady decline for last 20 years. While marijuana (legal/illegal), misusing prescription drugs and use of other illegal drugs have been on the rise among that same population over same time period.

That's likely true.

The college experience seems poorer than ever at UT.

Sad to see.

its not just at UT...same trends in term of less student involvement and engagement is a national trend - in part because of broader social changes, but students are more introverted, plus many needing to work to pay for college-so less time to be on our around campus for events, including bars..and fewer total students means less activities, organized groups, and less students attending on campus games

Agree.

Weed and electronics equal introverted tendencies such as less socialization, and worse demographics (birth rates).

Analysis: booze is great for large gatherings, on campus activities, and making kids

Weed also stabilizes folks with anxiety and/or depression, which keeps folks in the workforce if prescribed.

Booze kills 1000000x more folks than weed, as there has never been an overdose of Marijuana to my knowledge.

I prefer a beer to a J, but both have their crowds and parameters where they are useful, socially accepted.

(01-10-2023 12:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I was good friends with the owner who had that spot the majority of its life. It's had 3 new owners in the 5 years since it switched hands. The median may have saved some drunk kids lives crossing the street, but it really hurt business, for anyone going East bound didn't have a way to pull in. Also there is no left turn out of the building. The bar next to it, formerly known as Jax, the U, etc. never seemed stable in the past decade either.

Yep...city should've built that Dorr/Byrne intersection into a 4 way with either access to parking or a road carried to the apartments that businesses could tie into. That while area is nearly impossible to be successful in due to the constraints you outlined.

(01-11-2023 03:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I was good friends with the owner who had that spot the majority of its life. It's had 3 new owners in the 5 years since it switched hands. The median may have saved some drunk kids lives crossing the street, but it really hurt business, for anyone going East bound didn't have a way to pull in. Also there is no left turn out of the building. The bar next to it, formerly known as Jax, the U, etc. never seemed stable in the past decade either.

Yep...city should've built that Dorr/Byrne intersection into a 4 way with either access to parking or a road carried to the apartments that businesses could tie into. That while area is nearly impossible to be successful in due to the constraints you outlined.

I wonder how folks got to the Wendy's at the dead end of Byrne. No wonder it shutdown after its short stint at that location.

(01-11-2023 03:36 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 03:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I was good friends with the owner who had that spot the majority of its life. It's had 3 new owners in the 5 years since it switched hands. The median may have saved some drunk kids lives crossing the street, but it really hurt business, for anyone going East bound didn't have a way to pull in. Also there is no left turn out of the building. The bar next to it, formerly known as Jax, the U, etc. never seemed stable in the past decade either.

Yep...city should've built that Dorr/Byrne intersection into a 4 way with either access to parking or a road carried to the apartments that businesses could tie into. That while area is nearly impossible to be successful in due to the constraints you outlined.

I wonder how folks got to the Wendy's at the dead end of Byrne. No wonder it shutdown after its short stint at that location.

yep, years ago before City put barrier between east and west bound lanes on Dorr in front of Wendys, I witnessed a terrible accident when a small car attempted to make left out of Wendys to cross the two lanes of west bound traffic in order to go east bound...did not see large west bound SUV in the outside lane and small car got t-boned and flipped right over-fortunately no one was seriously injured but the two girls in the small car were screaming and completely freaking out.

(01-11-2023 01:41 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:42 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:34 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 02:41 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  drinking and alcohol abuse is still a major problem among college age population, but a number of studies have also shown that the % of college age (21+) students drinking has been on steady decline for last 20 years. While marijuana (legal/illegal), misusing prescription drugs and use of other illegal drugs have been on the rise among that same population over same time period.

That's likely true.

The college experience seems poorer than ever at UT.

Sad to see.

its not just at UT...same trends in term of less student involvement and engagement is a national trend - in part because of broader social changes, but students are more introverted, plus many needing to work to pay for college-so less time to be on our around campus for events, including bars..and fewer total students means less activities, organized groups, and less students attending on campus games

Agree.

Weed and electronics equal introverted tendencies such as less socialization, and worse demographics (birth rates).

Analysis: booze is great for large gatherings, on campus activities, and making kids

Sorry, but that's bull****.

(01-12-2023 11:49 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 01:41 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:42 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:34 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 02:41 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  drinking and alcohol abuse is still a major problem among college age population, but a number of studies have also shown that the % of college age (21+) students drinking has been on steady decline for last 20 years. While marijuana (legal/illegal), misusing prescription drugs and use of other illegal drugs have been on the rise among that same population over same time period.

That's likely true.

The college experience seems poorer than ever at UT.

Sad to see.

its not just at UT...same trends in term of less student involvement and engagement is a national trend - in part because of broader social changes, but students are more introverted, plus many needing to work to pay for college-so less time to be on our around campus for events, including bars..and fewer total students means less activities, organized groups, and less students attending on campus games

Agree.

Weed and electronics equal introverted tendencies such as less socialization, and worse demographics (birth rates).

Analysis: booze is great for large gatherings, on campus activities, and making kids

Sorry, but that's bull****.

It was a sarcastic statement. Please recognize it for what it is.

All mind altering substances are known to be harmful. Let's be real about it. Let's not argue or defend the benefits of one vs another. Young people always wade into deep waters whenever they try anything. I should know since I've had problems with both.

Go Rockets!

(01-12-2023 12:09 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:49 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 01:41 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:42 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 03:34 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  That's likely true.

The college experience seems poorer than ever at UT.

Sad to see.

its not just at UT...same trends in term of less student involvement and engagement is a national trend - in part because of broader social changes, but students are more introverted, plus many needing to work to pay for college-so less time to be on our around campus for events, including bars..and fewer total students means less activities, organized groups, and less students attending on campus games

Agree.

Weed and electronics equal introverted tendencies such as less socialization, and worse demographics (birth rates).

Analysis: booze is great for large gatherings, on campus activities, and making kids

Sorry, but that's bull****.

It was a sarcastic statement. Please recognize it for what it is.

All mind altering substances are known to be harmful.

Tried to tell that to my HS English teacher, who kept saying Joyce would alter my mind. Now look what happened. First the addiction to diacritical poetry. Then the halfway house. Now frequenting sports message boards.

Just say "no."