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RE: Vaccine Side Effects Discussion
(01-09-2023 03:19 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  I really try not to be one who is a conspiracy theorist, but I do think the question has to be asked.

To put things into perspective, a 2006 scientific study conducted by the International Olympic Committee out of Lausanne, Switzerland, reported 1,101 sudden deaths among athletes under age 35 between 1966 and 2004. This number works out to be roughly 29 sudden deaths among athletes worldwide per year for 38 years: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17143117/

Fast-forward to the present day. According to data collected by Good Sciencing, in about 23 months, there have been over 1600 reports (and growing) of athletes suffering cardiac arrests. Of all of these, 1114 died. Sadly, that’s almost 70% of all reports. Comparing the Lausanne study against data collected between January 2021 and April 2022, the monthly average number of athlete deaths worldwide is 1,700% higher than the monthly average between 1966 and 2004. The number of deaths in one month alone — March 2022 — is three times higher than the previous annual average: https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes...ovid-shot/

Have you looked through that list in GoodSciencing? Mike Leech is included, tragic sure but he was 61 and overweight. Also included? Many who died of cancer well into their 60’s and 70’s. Pretty much anyone who could have been called an athlete at some point anywhere in the world and died from natural causes is included. JJ Watt had an irregular heartbeat (as do millions of people) had it shocked back into rhythm and played a football game 2 days later, missed no practice. Included in the list.
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RE: Vaccine Side Effects Discussion
Just this week, an 18 year old rugby player, a 20 year old college tennis player, a 40 year old former pro soccer player, a 42 year old former pro NFL player...

Again, I'm not saying it's directly related to the vaccine. But, do we all agree that we should be asking the questions and doing the research, and more importantly, considering the possibility that it is related?
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RE: Vaccine Side Effects Discussion
CDC & FDA Identify Preliminary COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Signal for Persons Aged 65 Years and Older

Quote:Following the availability and use of the updated (bivalent) COVID-19 vaccines, CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent. Rapid-response investigation of the signal in the VSD raised a question of whether people 65 and older who have received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent were more likely to have an ischemic stroke in the 21 days following vaccination compared with days 22-44 following vaccination.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...sters.html
01-13-2023 03:27 PM
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RE: Vaccine Side Effects Discussion
Between the far right saying covid was a joke, and the far left refusing to even open their mind to the possibility that the vaccines COULD be causing health issues, we are living in hell. Anyone that claims that there is absolutely no possibility of these vaccines causing certain health issues lives in a world of complete delusion.
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(01-13-2023 07:58 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Between the far right saying covid was a joke, and the far left refusing to even open their mind to the possibility that the vaccines COULD be causing health issues, we are living in hell. Anyone that claims that there is absolutely no possibility of these vaccines causing certain health issues lives in a world of complete delusion.

They absolutely do. It’s pretty highly reactive as far as vaccines go but those bad side effects are exceedingly rare. A Covid infection, even a mild one is much more likely to cause the same reactions. And that’s extremely rare as well. Personally, I had the shot and first booster in December of 21. Had Covid twice in 22. Unless something happens to my health to put me more at risk of complications or it mutates into something more serious I don’t see the point of getting another booster as it seems to be doing little to prevent infection. The whole conversation seems to be based off of anecdotal evidence and the yellow car syndrome. Any real evidence heart issues are statistically increased across the board or in young people? And if so is there any evidence that it’s due to the vaccines and not Covid itself? The studies I’ve seen show an increase in mortality and other health issues the year following infection but none in those not infected whether vaccinated or not. I have zero doubt there’s people out there with injuries and deaths from the vaccines. Overall though they’ve saved millions of lives, mainly in older people and those with preexisting conditions. You only have to look at what’s happening in China to see that even the Omicron variants can still be deadly and there’s a need for vaccines and antivirals. Now if you’re questioning getting your otherwise healthy 16 year old vaccinated I would do some reading and talk to your Dr but like I said, my family is done getting shots unless there’s a change.

If we’re asking questions about young athletes and Covid/vaccines it should be why aren’t we monitoring for these rare complications if it’s known to be a possible outcome? If you recall it was the threat of myocarditis that initially caused the BIG10 to cancel football in 2020 until a cardiologist convinced them that it’s not a big threat if caught and treated.

By all means do big ass studies and let’s figure this out. But I’m not jumping at a handful of cases amongst hundreds of millions.
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RE: Vaccine Side Effects Discussion
Here's a discussion of this same topic from the UK basketball message board.


https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...ly.384707/
01-18-2023 03:20 PM
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The Big 10 did a study on their athletes and the risk of myocarditis after contracting COVID. The rate was around 2.3%. That’s significantly higher than the .02% the studies in Israel and Canada showed for vaccine risk.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34042947/
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(01-18-2023 03:20 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Here's a discussion of this same topic from the UK basketball message board.


https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...ly.384707/

Thread deleted. So folks, remember that when you think the mods here are being overbearing.
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I took the vaccine. I was thankful for it.

I definitely was against any type of employers / government vaccine mandates. Peoples personal health circumstances are very complex and unique. One size does not fit all. Also, drugs have side affects. Just watch those prescription company commercials! YIKES!!!
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(01-19-2023 02:32 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  I took the vaccine. I was thankful for it.

I definitely was against any type of employers / government vaccine mandates. Peoples personal health circumstances are very complex and unique. One size does not fit all. Also, drugs have side affects. Just watch those prescription company commercials! YIKES!!!

Agree with this. I likewise took the vaccine (two-dose Pfizer plus one booster), and also am for the most part thankful for it. I’ll never know for certain, but don’t doubt that my fully vaccinated status is the reason for my one (to my knowledge) bout with covid being so mild: four days of the sniffles, but no fatigue or other noticeable symptoms. Modern medicine is a miracle, and that cannot be understated.

Yet I also share the dismay of Coach and others that this topic is politically taboo. That people are scorned for asking questions. That we are supposed to ignore that the national and international health organizations and experts have lied to us. Repeatedly.

Lied about the gain-of-function research funding. Lied about the transmissibility of the disease. Lied about the efficacy of masks. Lied about the union-sourced lobbying for lockdowns. Lied for funding purposes. Lied for political gain. And if you speak up about any of this, you are dismissed as a science-denying, Fox-News-loving, Trump-supporting moron - - even if no part of that is true.

Coach is a far nicer person than me, (Heck, just about all of you are.) He is someone who is more curious than he is resentful. Count me as more resentful than curious. Covid has done far more damage to our society than just the still-debatable health metrics.
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Local product, now playing for Illinois:

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(03-01-2023 03:30 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Local product, now playing for Illinois:


Hope he’s okay. But why post it in this thread without any symptoms reported?
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(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  But why post it in this thread without any symptoms reported?

Yeah, Coach, how dare you ask uncomfortable questions on an off-topic thread!

Pfizer will decide when, where and if it is your place to know what is going on with the spate of healthy athletes dropping to the floor at inexplicably alarming rates.
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(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Hope he’s okay. But why post it in this thread without any symptoms reported?

I figured it was relevant to the discussion we had been having before this was relegated to the OT board. The kid didn’t tear an ACL in practice. He “went down” with no explanation and had to spend the night in the hospital.
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(03-01-2023 03:30 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Local product, now playing for Illinois:


Concussion
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(02-10-2023 07:51 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I got the Pfizer 2-dose when it was new in 2021 because the bosses said it would be a good idea, wasn't forced to but "nudged" to. Had what I suspect to be a myocarditis episode just under a year later. One expensive trip to the ER later, all I knew was that whatever I had wasn't killing me. Symptoms off and on as I approach the 2-year mark on the initial dosage. Trust in authority? Shaken. Center-left to center-right shaken.

They should have been able to tell you with some pretty simple tests if you had myocarditis. You never got any answers?
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(03-02-2023 12:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-01-2023 03:30 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Local product, now playing for Illinois:


Concussion

We'll never know, but how did he get the concussion? Why did Underwood say "He went down," and not, "He took an elbow to the head" or whatever it was? Everyone who has played a sport has seen possible concussions, why was it "pretty awkward?" Why the discussion of "a series of tests and evaluations" and not "He's in concussion protocol?"

I'm just asking questions. I'm a naturally skeptical person, and with folks who are responsible for disseminating information abnormally quiet about the number of young male athletes who are "going down" at an alarming rate, I think questions are fair game at this point.
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(03-02-2023 12:44 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(03-02-2023 12:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-01-2023 03:30 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Local product, now playing for Illinois:


Concussion

We'll never know, but how did he get the concussion? Why did Underwood say "He went down," and not, "He took an elbow to the head" or whatever it was? Everyone who has played a sport has seen possible concussions, why was it "pretty awkward?" Why the discussion of "a series of tests and evaluations" and not "He's in concussion protocol?"

I'm just asking questions. I'm a naturally skeptical person, and with folks who are responsible for disseminating information abnormally quiet about the number of young male athletes who are "going down" at an alarming rate, I think questions are fair game at this point.

Why would we never know? They said t was a concussion. Do you think men in black visited him in the hospital and told him "We know you had a vaccine related heart condition but if you care about the safety of your family you're going to tell anyone who asks it was a concussion."

Did you see Tua go down? How would you characterize that? Pretty awkward right. Especially after he got up thinking everything's OK then he just "went down". Right?

Personally, I'm questioning the people that are disseminating the idea that the rate of young people experiencing heart issues is abnormal to the point of alarming. The last bit of evidence that you presented here to try to show that point included septuagenarian cancer victims as proof of that claim.
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(03-02-2023 04:09 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Why would we never know? They said t was a concussion. Do you think men in black visited him in the hospital and told him "We know you had a vaccine related heart condition but if you care about the safety of your family you're going to tell anyone who asks it was a concussion."

Did you see Tua go down? How would you characterize that? Pretty awkward right. Especially after he got up thinking everything's OK then he just "went down". Right?

Personally, I'm questioning the people that are disseminating the idea that the rate of young people experiencing heart issues is abnormal to the point of alarming. The last bit of evidence that you presented here to try to show that point included septuagenarian cancer victims as proof of that claim.

I think you’re being disingenuous when comparing it to a SCI-fi movie, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe it is possible that those who are controlling the narrative would feed us disinformation to make the questioning go away and avoid what is, sadly, a health discussion gone political. Maybe he did just get hit in the head while going up for a rebound. That’s an entirely plausible scenario. But I’m just curious why Underwood was so dodgy about it initially. Maybe I’m reading into things and am wrong, but I don’t think it’s a nonzero possibility that there is more to the story.

And you SHOULD be questioning the data about young male athletes. Maybe there is a rise in heart issues, maybe there is not. We almost certainly need more information than we have, and questioning what is released (on both possibilities) is good, at least from my perspective.
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(03-02-2023 05:55 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  And you SHOULD be questioning the data about young male athletes. Maybe there is a rise in heart issues, maybe there is not. We almost certainly need more information than we have, and questioning what is released (on both possibilities) is good, at least from my perspective.

Sadly, Coach, your perspective seems to be in short supply. Issues that affect all of us no longer are open for debate. They instead are forced on us as the ONLY acceptable truth, and any dissent is to be mocked and blocked as conspiracies and disinformation:

—> Masks are medical necessities, and how dare anyone be so selfish as to disagree. Until now we find out that they are pretty much useless.

—> Lockdowns are temporary - - two weeks to flatten the curve - - and shame on you for questioning the motives of those who say otherwise. Until two weeks becomes two years, businesses are destroyed and our economy crippled. Oh well.

—> Remote schooling will not damage our kids. They’re resilient. It’s the poor, fragile teachers we need to worry about. Darn. It turns out we were wrong about that also.

—> Oh my God, are you one of those right-wing xenophobes who think that the virus came from a lab leak? Shut up, you bigot. Oh, but now that we think about it, well just maybe it did.

—> How dare anyone suggest that Lord Fauci had a hand in funding gain-of-function research? Or that he personally profited via pharma investments! The man is a national hero and just looking out for our interests. Oops. Never mind.

—> Vaccines are totally safe. These stories about athletes collapsing are just anecdotal, and you are irresponsible for raising questions about them!

Maybe this last one will turn out to be true. Maybe not. My bet is on not.
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