(01-11-2023 06:41 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 11:56 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its P5's or nothing folks. The Big12 pro-rata clause in their newly agreed upon media deal only applies to current P5's---so SDSU and Fresno and all the other MW options mentioned are simply not viable B12 expansion options at this time (regardless of what Wilner thinks). The Big12 will remain vigilant for an opportunity to add a Pac12 member--and until that opportunity arises---the Big12 will continue on with their current line up.

As if this happens in a vacuum.

If the B12 has an opportunity to get both Arizona schools, but it required a couple G5 schools to come along. And the G5 in question were SDSU, and either Fresno state or UNLV, I have no doubt that they could work something out.

So they would add 4 schools when the conference only adds 2 pro-data shares? A pay cut for everyone doesn’t sound too appealing. Besides, if the Zona schools demand to play with Fresno and SDSU—-they need only stay right where they are and their dreams will likely soon come true.

The Big12 is just fine as is. If they have an opportunity to unmistakably improve the value and appeal of their conference—-they will. The Big12 is not the conference that’s currently reeling. The Big12 would like to get into that 4th time zone—but they just signed a new TV deal. There’s really no pressure on the B12 to make an immediate move unless it’s clearly adding substantial value to the conference.

Ok, let me try to say this another way.

If the B12, espn, and Fox all agree that the Martian Basket-Weavers (definitely not P5, though an awesome team, by the way : ) - should be allowed to join the B12, and thus that the media deal should be modified to account for an extra member. Then it happens! - regardless of what language happens to currently be in the existing deal.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe it's called something like "amending the contract".

So no, the contract isn't a roadblock if all signers agree. And so no, it's not necessarily a pay cut for anyone.

And really? You don't think there's pressure on the B12 during this time of realignment? k.

Clearly Commissioner Brett Yormark has no reason to continue to respond on the topic when continually asked about such things (internally and externally). I'm sure everything is just fine, no need for him to be concerned about anything. They have 4 new recruits and a conference that is totally stable now...

k. sure, uh huh.

Keep in mind that Fox has Fresno and SDSU already as part of the MWC contract and has both schools on FoxSports1 often. So Fox is not motivated to pay for them to move to the Big12

ESPN on the other hand does not have any part of the MWC contract and lost the exclusive rights to BYU. So ESPN does have some motivation for additional content in the 7:00-7:30 pm time slot.

How these motivations will play out remains to be seen but their motivations are clearly different.

(01-10-2023 08:14 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 08:00 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 07:41 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:51 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Arizona and ASU are effectively in a fourth time zone for 2/3 the season (longer if congress ever gets its act together).

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I just checked online, and it puts the time in Phoenix & Tucson one hour ahead of Los Angeles.

However, there are time zone maps indicating that Arizona doesn't observe daylight savings time - - are these maps out dated, perhaps?

Arizona doesn't do daylight savings time, most of the season takes place during the time when it happens for the rest of us.

What's being proposed by congress is that everyone else has permanent daylight savings time. That would mean that for the entire year Arizona would be on Pacific time, as opposed to just when the Pacific Coast is on Daylight time.


Currently, we are in Standard time, so they're 1 hour ahead. Come March, we'll be on Daylight time and they'll be on Pacific again.

Thanks, but all of the time zone maps show Arizona to be in the Mountain Time Zone. The only States in the Pacific Time Zone are Washington, Oregon, CA, NV, and northern Idaho.

Checking on the internet as I write this, it's 8:04 on the east coast, 7:04 CT, 9:04 in Phoenix, and 10:04 in L.A. Is this incorrect?

Also the map shows AZ to be not observing daylight savings time, so they should be an hour ahead of (for example) Denver, and on Central Daylight Time, no?

If California didn't observe daylight time, they would be on Mountain Daylight Time until March, no?

Very confusing!

Its that way now because nobody is on Daylight Savings time right now. If the nation switches to full time Daylight Savings Time all the time later this year (assuming Arizona continues to not observe DST), then Arizona will effectively be on PST all the time. That permanent DST law has passed the Senate---but would still need to pass the House and be signed by Biden to become law.

(01-11-2023 11:44 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 06:41 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 11:56 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its P5's or nothing folks. The Big12 pro-rata clause in their newly agreed upon media deal only applies to current P5's---so SDSU and Fresno and all the other MW options mentioned are simply not viable B12 expansion options at this time (regardless of what Wilner thinks). The Big12 will remain vigilant for an opportunity to add a Pac12 member--and until that opportunity arises---the Big12 will continue on with their current line up.

As if this happens in a vacuum.

If the B12 has an opportunity to get both Arizona schools, but it required a couple G5 schools to come along. And the G5 in question were SDSU, and either Fresno state or UNLV, I have no doubt that they could work something out.

So they would add 4 schools when the conference only adds 2 pro-data shares? A pay cut for everyone doesn’t sound too appealing. Besides, if the Zona schools demand to play with Fresno and SDSU—-they need only stay right where they are and their dreams will likely soon come true.

The Big12 is just fine as is. If they have an opportunity to unmistakably improve the value and appeal of their conference—-they will. The Big12 is not the conference that’s currently reeling. The Big12 would like to get into that 4th time zone—but they just signed a new TV deal. There’s really no pressure on the B12 to make an immediate move unless it’s clearly adding substantial value to the conference.

Ok, let me try to say this another way.

If the B12, espn, and Fox all agree that the Martian Basket-Weavers (definitely not P5, though an awesome team, by the way : ) - should be allowed to join the B12, and thus that the media deal should be modified to account for an extra member. Then it happens! - regardless of what language happens to currently be in the existing deal.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe it's called something like "amending the contract".

So no, the contract isn't a roadblock if all signers agree. And so no, it's not necessarily a pay cut for anyone.

And really? You don't think there's pressure on the B12 during this time of realignment? k.

Clearly Commissioner Brett Yormark has no reason to continue to respond on the topic when continually asked about such things (internally and externally). I'm sure everything is just fine, no need for him to be concerned about anything. They have 4 new recruits and a conference that is totally stable now...

k. sure, uh huh.

Keep in mind that Fox has Fresno and SDSU already as part of the MWC contract and has both schools on FoxSports1 often. So Fox is not motivated to pay for them to move to the Big12

ESPN on the other hand does not have any part of the MWC contract and lost the exclusive rights to BYU. So ESPN does have some motivation for additional content in the 7:00-7:30 pm time slot.

How these motivations will play out remains to be seen but their motivations are clearly different.

The MW contract comes up for renewal in a few years. Much cheaper for ESPN to just buy part of the MW deal if they are really dying for SDSU/Fresno inventory that bad. They could probably get half of all MW inventory for what adding just one team in the Big12 would cost them.

(01-10-2023 08:14 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 08:00 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 07:41 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 06:51 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Arizona and ASU are effectively in a fourth time zone for 2/3 the season (longer if congress ever gets its act together).

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I just checked online, and it puts the time in Phoenix & Tucson one hour ahead of Los Angeles.

However, there are time zone maps indicating that Arizona doesn't observe daylight savings time - - are these maps out dated, perhaps?

Arizona doesn't do daylight savings time, most of the season takes place during the time when it happens for the rest of us.

What's being proposed by congress is that everyone else has permanent daylight savings time. That would mean that for the entire year Arizona would be on Pacific time, as opposed to just when the Pacific Coast is on Daylight time.


Currently, we are in Standard time, so they're 1 hour ahead. Come March, we'll be on Daylight time and they'll be on Pacific again.

Thanks, but all of the time zone maps show Arizona to be in the Mountain Time Zone. The only States in the Pacific Time Zone are Washington, Oregon, CA, NV, and northern Idaho.

Checking on the internet as I write this, it's 8:04 on the east coast, 7:04 CT, 9:04 in Phoenix, and 10:04 in L.A. Is this incorrect?

Also the map shows AZ to be not observing daylight savings time, so they should be an hour ahead of (for example) Denver, and on Central Daylight Time, no?

If California didn't observe daylight time, they would be on Mountain Daylight Time until March, no?

Very confusing!

About the underlined: no, not at all.

Daylight Savings Time is what pushes us an hour forward. If you don't do Daylight Time, then you'll be an hour behind the rest of your "timezone" for that period. There would never be a case where you'd be ahead of the rest of your timezone in this case.

If you implement permanent daylight savings time, and the rest of your timezone does not, then you'll be an hour ahead of everyone while they're on Standard time.


Therefore, when it's daylight savings time across the nation, everyone moved forward an hour. Arizona does not, and therefore they're effectively operating on Pacific time (Mountain Standard Time and Pacific Daylight Time are the same; Mountain Daylight Time is two hours ahead of Pacific Standard time).


I think an important note is actually this: Arizona is always on Mountain Standard Time (MST). The rest of the timezone goes to Mountain Daylight Time (MDT), and then the west coast goes from Pacific Standard Time (PST) to Pacific Daylight Time (PDT). MST = PDT. While those of us on the east coast might say we're "EST" for our timezone, for half the year that's incorrect. Saying we're on "eastern time" takes care of the issue as both EST and EDT are "eastern" (when we move to EDT, we're actually switching to AST - Atlantic Standard Time).