(01-12-2023 09:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:40 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:54 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:46 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  I completely agree. I was replying to the Simpleton about Duren vs. Lawson which is an idiotic shtick of his. Posts the same drivel on every thread that doesn’t make sense.

Chandler is a very nice role player and does a great job with the role he has been forced to take playing somewhat out of position. Glad we have him in the starting lineup and can lean on his experience.

I know you're still triggered from the last time I had to point out your reading deficiencies. Like an outdoor cat, the gift that keeps on giving. The point I was making was that Penny recruits over the "East" guys because he's not averse to replacing them. Recruiting and starting Duren easily proves that point.

You're one of the last people here who should ever call anyone a simpleton. Your lack of reading comprehension says it all.

Agree. The obvious example being Boogie Ellis. If memory serves, we started both Boogie/Baugh years with Alo coming off the bench. Neither Boogie nor Damian worked at PG as a starter, and ultimately, Alo took the more prominent role (until he was injured and Boogie had to jump in). If he was trying to play the East guys over everyone else (in particular Alo), he would not have recruited Davis here this year.

Interesting you give Alo 5 yrs to develop but expect Boogie, Baugh & Bates, who weren't even PGs when recruited, a matter of a few games to be instant PGs at Memphis before reverting back to Alo who has been a PG since middle school but has progressed little since arriving at Memphis. Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich & Baugh a solid contributor at TCU. And for those who say Penny has attempted to recruit a PG over Alo, I agree but the problem is he hasn't been successful until Davis- and that because the recruits understand that Penny is going to play Alo big minutes even if Morant, S. Curry or C. Paul were on the roster. Further proof is simply how Penny plays Davis. Even most ardent Alo supporters expected Alo to assume a backup role on this roster with Davis but instead Penny plays two sub-6 ft guard to ensure Alo gets his minutes. The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

Quote:Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich

Not ironically, the exact opposite is true. As usual, you haven't seen a single minute of either team play this year and you didn't do a minute of research. You just come up with stupidities to try and support nonsense.

Bates, your "starting PG" is averaging 1.1 assist and 2.4 turnovers per game, and taking more shots than any other player on the team. Yes, by Atlanta standards, he would be the clear cut point guard here. He was a free agent and could have gone anywhere, but went to Eastern Michigan.

Boogie isn't the starting point guard at USC, he has the same role that he had here. Not only is he not the point guard, he is averaging less assists than one of their forwards.

Quote:The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

In 2021, we finished 2nd to Gonzaga for Nembhard. Only a complete idiot would imagine that he was scared of Lomax. Bates was recruited as a point guard and got all the minutes he could handle. Then there is Davis. Pure nonsense (as usual).

Tell us again how Penny sucks and Tubby deserved 5 years at Memphis.

(01-12-2023 09:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:40 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:54 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:46 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  I completely agree. I was replying to the Simpleton about Duren vs. Lawson which is an idiotic shtick of his. Posts the same drivel on every thread that doesn’t make sense.

Chandler is a very nice role player and does a great job with the role he has been forced to take playing somewhat out of position. Glad we have him in the starting lineup and can lean on his experience.

I know you're still triggered from the last time I had to point out your reading deficiencies. Like an outdoor cat, the gift that keeps on giving. The point I was making was that Penny recruits over the "East" guys because he's not averse to replacing them. Recruiting and starting Duren easily proves that point.

You're one of the last people here who should ever call anyone a simpleton. Your lack of reading comprehension says it all.

Agree. The obvious example being Boogie Ellis. If memory serves, we started both Boogie/Baugh years with Alo coming off the bench. Neither Boogie nor Damian worked at PG as a starter, and ultimately, Alo took the more prominent role (until he was injured and Boogie had to jump in). If he was trying to play the East guys over everyone else (in particular Alo), he would not have recruited Davis here this year.

Interesting you give Alo 5 yrs to develop but expect Boogie, Baugh & Bates, who weren't even PGs when recruited, a matter of a few games to be instant PGs at Memphis before reverting back to Alo who has been a PG since middle school but has progressed little since arriving at Memphis. Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich & Baugh a solid contributor at TCU. And for those who say Penny has attempted to recruit a PG over Alo, I agree but the problem is he hasn't been successful until Davis- and that because the recruits understand that Penny is going to play Alo big minutes even if Morant, S. Curry or C. Paul were on the roster. Further proof is simply how Penny plays Davis. Even most ardent Alo supporters expected Alo to assume a backup role on this roster with Davis but instead Penny plays two sub-6 ft guard to ensure Alo gets his minutes. The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

Unfortunately (for your argument), the team this year appears to play better when Lomax is on the floor. Until Kennedy or Franklin can displace him within the flow of the team, it is what it is. If Akot and Quinones were here as was Penny's intent, Lomax would not be starting.

(01-12-2023 09:53 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:40 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:54 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:46 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  I completely agree. I was replying to the Simpleton about Duren vs. Lawson which is an idiotic shtick of his. Posts the same drivel on every thread that doesn’t make sense.

Chandler is a very nice role player and does a great job with the role he has been forced to take playing somewhat out of position. Glad we have him in the starting lineup and can lean on his experience.

I know you're still triggered from the last time I had to point out your reading deficiencies. Like an outdoor cat, the gift that keeps on giving. The point I was making was that Penny recruits over the "East" guys because he's not averse to replacing them. Recruiting and starting Duren easily proves that point.

You're one of the last people here who should ever call anyone a simpleton. Your lack of reading comprehension says it all.

Agree. The obvious example being Boogie Ellis. If memory serves, we started both Boogie/Baugh years with Alo coming off the bench. Neither Boogie nor Damian worked at PG as a starter, and ultimately, Alo took the more prominent role (until he was injured and Boogie had to jump in). If he was trying to play the East guys over everyone else (in particular Alo), he would not have recruited Davis here this year.

Interesting you give Alo 5 yrs to develop but expect Boogie, Baugh & Bates, who weren't even PGs when recruited, a matter of a few games to be instant PGs at Memphis before reverting back to Alo who has been a PG since middle school but has progressed little since arriving at Memphis. Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich & Baugh a solid contributor at TCU. And for those who say Penny has attempted to recruit a PG over Alo, I agree but the problem is he hasn't been successful until Davis- and that because the recruits understand that Penny is going to play Alo big minutes even if Morant, S. Curry or C. Paul were on the roster. Further proof is simply how Penny plays Davis. Even most ardent Alo supporters expected Alo to assume a backup role on this roster with Davis but instead Penny plays two sub-6 ft guard to ensure Alo gets his minutes. The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

Unfortunately (for your argument), the team this year appears to play better when Lomax is on the floor. Until Kennedy or Franklin can displace him within the flow of the team, it is what it is. If Akot and Quinones were here as was Penny's intent, Lomax would not be starting.

I think Kennedy, McCadden and Franklin are starting to get in a rhythm, and should be able to take some minutes away from Lomax. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Lomax is out for and extended period of time. I hope not, but the injury looked bad.

With Davis at the PG, ALo should be a spark plug coming off the bench. If he’s a starter, then we have significant deficiencies at the 2.

(01-12-2023 10:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:53 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:40 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 11:54 AM)msu35 Wrote:  I know you're still triggered from the last time I had to point out your reading deficiencies. Like an outdoor cat, the gift that keeps on giving. The point I was making was that Penny recruits over the "East" guys because he's not averse to replacing them. Recruiting and starting Duren easily proves that point.

You're one of the last people here who should ever call anyone a simpleton. Your lack of reading comprehension says it all.

Agree. The obvious example being Boogie Ellis. If memory serves, we started both Boogie/Baugh years with Alo coming off the bench. Neither Boogie nor Damian worked at PG as a starter, and ultimately, Alo took the more prominent role (until he was injured and Boogie had to jump in). If he was trying to play the East guys over everyone else (in particular Alo), he would not have recruited Davis here this year.

Interesting you give Alo 5 yrs to develop but expect Boogie, Baugh & Bates, who weren't even PGs when recruited, a matter of a few games to be instant PGs at Memphis before reverting back to Alo who has been a PG since middle school but has progressed little since arriving at Memphis. Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich & Baugh a solid contributor at TCU. And for those who say Penny has attempted to recruit a PG over Alo, I agree but the problem is he hasn't been successful until Davis- and that because the recruits understand that Penny is going to play Alo big minutes even if Morant, S. Curry or C. Paul were on the roster. Further proof is simply how Penny plays Davis. Even most ardent Alo supporters expected Alo to assume a backup role on this roster with Davis but instead Penny plays two sub-6 ft guard to ensure Alo gets his minutes. The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

Unfortunately (for your argument), the team this year appears to play better when Lomax is on the floor. Until Kennedy or Franklin can displace him within the flow of the team, it is what it is. If Akot and Quinones were here as was Penny's intent, Lomax would not be starting.

I think Kennedy, McCadden and Franklin are starting to get in a rhythm, and should be able to take some minutes away from Lomax. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Lomax is out for and extended period of time. I hope not, but the injury looked bad.

I'd like to see JLaw get more minutes. At this point, I don't think he's a significant drop off from Franklin. If we're not assured of winning games anyway, I say invest in Jonathan--it will benefit us going forward.

(01-07-2023 04:24 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Kao gets lost out there numerous times during the game. A lot of times he is outta position defensively. I think that is probably the biggest reason he doesn't get the minutes this year.

Sidenote - does he still have his covid year or is this year his absolute last one?

It wasn’t him that got lost when ECU went 7-8 from 3 late in the first half. He wasn’t in the game

And we made the run in the second half when he was in there

Like I asked someone else earlier today

Who do you think is better at the 5 right now?

The defense just doesn't get out on the 3 pt. shooters. Almost any college player can make a 3 when he isn't guarded.

(01-12-2023 11:21 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:24 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Kao gets lost out there numerous times during the game. A lot of times he is outta position defensively. I think that is probably the biggest reason he doesn't get the minutes this year.

Sidenote - does he still have his covid year or is this year his absolute last one?

It wasn’t him that got lost when ECU went 7-8 from 3 late in the first half. He wasn’t in the game

And we made the run in the second half when he was in there

Like I asked someone else earlier today

Who do you think is better at the 5 right now?

The defense just doesn't get out on the 3 pt. shooters. Almost any college player can make a 3 when he isn't guarded.

They’re scared they’ll get beat on the drive if they overcommit to the 3. Dandridge made guys think twice about coming into the lane. We miss his presence in the paint.

(01-12-2023 10:36 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 10:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:53 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:40 AM)micman Wrote:  Agree. The obvious example being Boogie Ellis. If memory serves, we started both Boogie/Baugh years with Alo coming off the bench. Neither Boogie nor Damian worked at PG as a starter, and ultimately, Alo took the more prominent role (until he was injured and Boogie had to jump in). If he was trying to play the East guys over everyone else (in particular Alo), he would not have recruited Davis here this year.

Interesting you give Alo 5 yrs to develop but expect Boogie, Baugh & Bates, who weren't even PGs when recruited, a matter of a few games to be instant PGs at Memphis before reverting back to Alo who has been a PG since middle school but has progressed little since arriving at Memphis. Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich & Baugh a solid contributor at TCU. And for those who say Penny has attempted to recruit a PG over Alo, I agree but the problem is he hasn't been successful until Davis- and that because the recruits understand that Penny is going to play Alo big minutes even if Morant, S. Curry or C. Paul were on the roster. Further proof is simply how Penny plays Davis. Even most ardent Alo supporters expected Alo to assume a backup role on this roster with Davis but instead Penny plays two sub-6 ft guard to ensure Alo gets his minutes. The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

Unfortunately (for your argument), the team this year appears to play better when Lomax is on the floor. Until Kennedy or Franklin can displace him within the flow of the team, it is what it is. If Akot and Quinones were here as was Penny's intent, Lomax would not be starting.

I think Kennedy, McCadden and Franklin are starting to get in a rhythm, and should be able to take some minutes away from Lomax. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Lomax is out for and extended period of time. I hope not, but the injury looked bad.

I'd like to see JLaw get more minutes. At this point, I don't think he's a significant drop off from Franklin. If we're not assured of winning games anyway, I say invest in Jonathan--it will benefit us going forward.

Yep, and I dont want to hear about "defense". I dont care how much the players run around, if the end result is the ball in the basket and high scoring games, defense isnt doing it's job anyway.

(01-12-2023 11:45 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 10:36 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 10:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:53 AM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Interesting you give Alo 5 yrs to develop but expect Boogie, Baugh & Bates, who weren't even PGs when recruited, a matter of a few games to be instant PGs at Memphis before reverting back to Alo who has been a PG since middle school but has progressed little since arriving at Memphis. Ironically Boggie is now the starting PG at USC, Bates at E. Mich & Baugh a solid contributor at TCU. And for those who say Penny has attempted to recruit a PG over Alo, I agree but the problem is he hasn't been successful until Davis- and that because the recruits understand that Penny is going to play Alo big minutes even if Morant, S. Curry or C. Paul were on the roster. Further proof is simply how Penny plays Davis. Even most ardent Alo supporters expected Alo to assume a backup role on this roster with Davis but instead Penny plays two sub-6 ft guard to ensure Alo gets his minutes. The bias is undeniable & it has cost us some very talented perimeter players & made others unrecruitable.

Unfortunately (for your argument), the team this year appears to play better when Lomax is on the floor. Until Kennedy or Franklin can displace him within the flow of the team, it is what it is. If Akot and Quinones were here as was Penny's intent, Lomax would not be starting.

I think Kennedy, McCadden and Franklin are starting to get in a rhythm, and should be able to take some minutes away from Lomax. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Lomax is out for and extended period of time. I hope not, but the injury looked bad.

I'd like to see JLaw get more minutes. At this point, I don't think he's a significant drop off from Franklin. If we're not assured of winning games anyway, I say invest in Jonathan--it will benefit us going forward.

Yep, and I dont want to hear about "defense". I dont care how much the players run around, if the end result is the ball in the basket and high scoring games, defense isnt doing it's job anyway.

Yep with Davis at PG, JLaw is a reasonable 2-guard because he is a perimeter threat. He is a potential weakness on D but our whole approach to perimeter D leaves opponents open for 3s with some patience.

(01-12-2023 11:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:21 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:24 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Kao gets lost out there numerous times during the game. A lot of times he is outta position defensively. I think that is probably the biggest reason he doesn't get the minutes this year.

Sidenote - does he still have his covid year or is this year his absolute last one?

It wasn’t him that got lost when ECU went 7-8 from 3 late in the first half. He wasn’t in the game

And we made the run in the second half when he was in there

Like I asked someone else earlier today

Who do you think is better at the 5 right now?

The defense just doesn't get out on the 3 pt. shooters. Almost any college player can make a 3 when he isn't guarded.

They’re scared they’ll get beat on the drive if they overcommit to the 3. Dandridge made guys think twice about coming into the lane. We miss his presence in the paint.

Kao is better than Dandridge at that aspect

(01-12-2023 12:11 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:21 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:24 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Kao gets lost out there numerous times during the game. A lot of times he is outta position defensively. I think that is probably the biggest reason he doesn't get the minutes this year.

Sidenote - does he still have his covid year or is this year his absolute last one?

It wasn’t him that got lost when ECU went 7-8 from 3 late in the first half. He wasn’t in the game

And we made the run in the second half when he was in there

Like I asked someone else earlier today

Who do you think is better at the 5 right now?

The defense just doesn't get out on the 3 pt. shooters. Almost any college player can make a 3 when he isn't guarded.

They’re scared they’ll get beat on the drive if they overcommit to the 3. Dandridge made guys think twice about coming into the lane. We miss his presence in the paint.

Kao is better than Dandridge at that aspect

I don’t disagree, but Penny won’t play him. He will play Malcolm, though; and we miss his presence in the paint.

(01-12-2023 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Yep with Davis at PG, JLaw is a reasonable sub at 2-guard, but he's slow and lacks awareness. He is a significant downgrade on D but our whole approach to perimeter D leaves opponents open for 3s with some patience.

Fixed your post for you.

Look I keep hearing about how Jonathan gets lost and Kao gets lost but it seems like to me that EVERYONE is getting lost with the way every team seems to reign down 3s on us.

(01-12-2023 02:00 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Look I keep hearing about how Jonathan gets lost and Kao gets lost but it seems like to me that EVERYONE is getting lost with the way every team seems to reign down 3s on us.

The threes are definitely hurting us, but we lost last night because we couldn't finish. The players weren't making the easy shots. Of course the no call on Davis made everything worse, but if we were able to sink the bunnies, there would have been no problem leaving with a win.

Torvik does a heat map of advanced analytics categories, by player. J-Lawson is the lowest overall rated player on the team. Out of 19 categories, he is above avg in only 3 of them:
effective FG%
True Shooting %
3-point %

He is around the average in 8 categories. And below avg in 8 categories - including Offense rating, D rating, Rebounding rate, TO rate, and 2-pt %.

The overall ranking by Torvik is:
1 - KD
2 - Deandre
3 - McCadden
4 - Keonte
5 - Lomax
6 - Chandler
7 - Malco
8 - Jayden
9 - Kao
10 - Damaria
11 - Johnathan

(01-12-2023 03:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Torvik does a heat map of advanced analytics categories, by player. J-Lawson is the lowest overall rated player on the team. Out of 19 categories, he is above avg in only 3 of them:
effective FG%
True Shooting %
3-point %

He is around the average in 8 categories. And below avg in 8 categories - including Offense rating, D rating, Rebounding rate, TO rate, and 2-pt %.

The overall ranking by Torvik is:
1 - KD
2 - Deandre
3 - McCadden
4 - Keonte
5 - Lomax
6 - Chandler
7 - Malco
8 - Jayden
9 - Kao
10 - Damaria
11 - Johnathan

When a team shooting from the perimeter is as bad as ours, you have to consider using a perimeter shooter like JLaw especially since our perimeter D consistently leaves opponents open for perimeter shots (even with our supposed good defenders on the floor) if opponents have a little patience to find the open man. That because our perimeter D seems to consistently breakdown about 15 secs into the shoot clock.

(01-12-2023 03:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  When a team shooting from the perimeter is as bad as ours, you have to consider using a perimeter shooter like JLaw especially since our perimeter D consistently leaves opponents open for perimeter shots (even with our supposed good defenders on the floor) if opponents have a little patience to find the open man. That because our perimeter D seems to consistently breakdown about 15 secs into the shoot clock.

So J. Law can hurt us even more on defense, offsetting any potential gains on offense. Smart.

(01-12-2023 04:30 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  When a team shooting from the perimeter is as bad as ours, you have to consider using a perimeter shooter like JLaw especially since our perimeter D consistently leaves opponents open for perimeter shots (even with our supposed good defenders on the floor) if opponents have a little patience to find the open man. That because our perimeter D seems to consistently breakdown about 15 secs into the shoot clock.

So J. Law can hurt us even more on defense, offsetting any potential gains on offense. Smart.

If we're going to give up a corner 3 anyway, I'd rather invest in J. Law's development, who is going to be here another 3 years than Franklin or Kennedy (or Hardaway).

(01-12-2023 05:05 PM)micman Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 04:30 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  When a team shooting from the perimeter is as bad as ours, you have to consider using a perimeter shooter like JLaw especially since our perimeter D consistently leaves opponents open for perimeter shots (even with our supposed good defenders on the floor) if opponents have a little patience to find the open man. That because our perimeter D seems to consistently breakdown about 15 secs into the shoot clock.

So J. Law can hurt us even more on defense, offsetting any potential gains on offense. Smart.

If we're going to give up a corner 3 anyway, I'd rather invest in J. Law's development, who is going to be here another 3 years than Franklin or Kennedy (or Hardaway).

I might agree with you to some degree if we were giving up on the season, but it's too early for that. You also can't teach quickness and if we're going to have a fighting chance, we need to do what we can to improve our defense. Personally I would start McCadden any day of the week over J. Lawson this season.

(01-12-2023 11:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:21 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:24 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Kao gets lost out there numerous times during the game. A lot of times he is outta position defensively. I think that is probably the biggest reason he doesn't get the minutes this year.

Sidenote - does he still have his covid year or is this year his absolute last one?

It wasn’t him that got lost when ECU went 7-8 from 3 late in the first half. He wasn’t in the game

And we made the run in the second half when he was in there

Like I asked someone else earlier today

Who do you think is better at the 5 right now?

The defense just doesn't get out on the 3 pt. shooters. Almost any college player can make a 3 when he isn't guarded.

They’re scared they’ll get beat on the drive if they overcommit to the 3. Dandridge made guys think twice about coming into the lane. We miss his presence in the paint.

For the most part, UCF seemed to get a hand in our face when we took 3 pt. shots. We left them wide open numerous times - 10 of their points came from the disparity in made 3 pointers, which was the real difference in the outcome.