As a team, we do a lot incredibly well. But with defensive rebounds, we are one of the worst in the country. And until Lahkin got going in the second half, Cinci was shooting the ball really poorly. (They still only shot 40% even after he started putting up some points.) So there was plenty of opportunities for defensive rebounds in his 5 minutes, but got none.
If you can not defensive rebound, you cant be on the floor. Even McCadden playing a ball handling guard position grabbed 5. We've gotten better over the past few games, but its got to be a focus. And right now Kao isnt getting that done. He also had zero rebounds in 10 minutes at UCF.
Once he improves on the rebounding, he'll likely get some floor time in these bigger games. Otherwise we wont likely see him much unless its a team we are handling fairly easily.
As a team, we do a lot incredibly well. But with defensive rebounds, we are one of the worst in the country. And until Lahkin got going in the second half, Cinci was shooting the ball really poorly. (They still only shot 40% even after he started putting up some points.) So there was plenty of opportunities for defensive rebounds in his 5 minutes, but got none.
If you can not defensive rebound, you cant be on the floor. Even McCadden playing a ball handling guard position grabbed 5. We've gotten better over the past few games, but its got to be a focus. And right now Kao isnt getting that done. He also had zero rebounds in 10 minutes at UCF.
Once he improves on the rebounding, he'll likely get some floor time in these bigger games. Otherwise we wont likely see him much unless its a team we are handling fairly easily.
I agree with this completely, and our lack of effective bigs will be our Achilles heel unless we figure something out soon.
I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
You have two less than desirable options.
Lawson is better on overall defense.
Hopefully we get Dandridge back soon and he can go more than 2-3 minutes at a stretch.
Really? You use Duren as a benchmark?
Just trust Penny has the best judgement on this topic. (Still laughing at the Duren reference)
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Chandler. Don't guess at the stats, look at the facts:
C. Lawson
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MIN 20.1
PTS 5.3
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
STL 0.7
BLK 0.5
O-PRPG 1.0
D-PRPG 2.3
Kao
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MIN 10.8
PTS 2.7
REB 1.6
AST 0.2
STL 0.0
BLK 1.8
O-PRPG 0.6
D-PRPG 1.2
So neither are stellar bigs, but objectively, Chandler is a little better. That's why you see him taking the lion's share of minutes over Kao. Hopefully we get a healthy Dandridge back soon. We could use him.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
You have two less than desirable options.
Lawson is better on overall defense.
Hopefully we get Dandridge back soon and he can go more than 2-3 minutes at a stretch.
Really? You use Duren as a benchmark?
Just trust Penny has the best judgement on this topic. (Still laughing at the Duren reference)
Please make me understand how Lawson is the better option defensively? He constantly gets net on the perimeter and he doesn’t block shots. His ceiling has already been reached, too. Honestly, I think Penny is just more comfortable with home since he played with him all these years.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
You have two less than desirable options.
Lawson is better on overall defense.
Hopefully we get Dandridge back soon and he can go more than 2-3 minutes at a stretch.
Really? You use Duren as a benchmark?
Just trust Penny has the best judgement on this topic. (Still laughing at the Duren reference)
Please make me understand how Lawson is the better option defensively? He constantly gets beat on the perimeter and he doesn’t block shots. His ceiling has already been reached, too. Honestly, I think Penny is just more comfortable with him since he played with him all these years.
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2023 12:15 PM by AustinTXTiger.)
Also, no one is saying Duren is the benchmark. All I’m saying is that it was very obvious to keep Duren in the game because of what he is capable of. It’s not obvious that C. Lawson should be playing way more than Kao. Not even remotely clear
(01-23-2023 12:18 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: Also, no one is saying Duren is the benchmark. All I’m saying is that it was very obvious to keep Duren in the game because of what he is capable of. It’s not obvious that C. Lawson should be playing way more than Kao. Not even remotely clear
If you scroll up and look at the stats, it makes it very clear.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Chandler. Don't guess at the stats, look at the facts:
C. Lawson
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MIN 20.1
PTS 5.3
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
STL 0.7
BLK 0.5
O-PRPG 1.0
D-PRPG 2.3
Kao
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MIN 10.8
PTS 2.7
REB 1.6
AST 0.2
STL 0.0
BLK 1.8
O-PRPG 0.6
D-PRPG 1.2
So neither are stellar bigs, but objectively, Chandler is a little better. That's why you see him taking the lion's share of minutes over Kao. Hopefully we get a healthy Dandridge back soon. We could use him.
C. Lawson is also getting more than half the minutes\opportunity. Also, Kao’s ability to alter the opponent’s shots are not measured?
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Chandler. Don't guess at the stats, look at the facts:
C. Lawson
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MIN 20.1
PTS 5.3
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
STL 0.7
BLK 0.5
O-PRPG 1.0
D-PRPG 2.3
Kao
------------
MIN 10.8
PTS 2.7
REB 1.6
AST 0.2
STL 0.0
BLK 1.8
O-PRPG 0.6
D-PRPG 1.2
So neither are stellar bigs, but objectively, Chandler is a little better. That's why you see him taking the lion's share of minutes over Kao. Hopefully we get a healthy Dandridge back soon. We could use him.
C. Lawson is also getting more than half the minutes\opportunity. Also, Kao’s ability to alter the opponent’s shots are not measured?
The PRPG stats tell the tale if the disparity in minutes has you confused.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
You have two less than desirable options.
Lawson is better on overall defense.
Hopefully we get Dandridge back soon and he can go more than 2-3 minutes at a stretch.
Really? You use Duren as a benchmark?
Just trust Penny has the best judgement on this topic. (Still laughing at the Duren reference)
Please make me understand how Lawson is the better option defensively? He constantly gets net on the perimeter and he doesn’t block shots. His ceiling has already been reached, too. Honestly, I think Penny is just more comfortable with home since he played with him all these years.
Penny is absolutely more comfortable with C. Lawson than he is Kao and rightfully so. Chandler is a much smarter and more versatile player than Kao.
Chandler is not a master at any single area of the game. However, he is solid/safe in almost every facet. Kao is above average in one area (blocking shots) and far below average in every other facet. It is very easy to see why Lawson is commanding far more minutes per game than Kao.
Also, the truth is that Kao has likely reached his ceiling or at least very close to it. He can come in for 10-15 minutes/game and guard the rim but that is pretty much the limit of his abilities.
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(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
You have two less than desirable options.
Lawson is better on overall defense.
Hopefully we get Dandridge back soon and he can go more than 2-3 minutes at a stretch.
Really? You use Duren as a benchmark?
Just trust Penny has the best judgement on this topic. (Still laughing at the Duren reference)
Please make me understand how Lawson is the better option defensively? He constantly gets net on the perimeter and he doesn’t block shots. His ceiling has already been reached, too. Honestly, I think Penny is just more comfortable with home since he played with him all these years.
Penny is absolutely more comfortable with C. Lawson than he is Kao and rightfully so. Chandler is a much smarter and more versatile player than Kao.
Chandler is not a master at any single area of the game. However, he is solid/safe in almost every facet. Kao is above average in one area (blocking shots) and far below average in every other facet. It is very easy to see why Lawson is commanding far more minutes per game than Kao.
Also, the truth is that Kao has likely reached his ceiling or at least very close to it. He can come in for 10-15 minutes/game and guard the rim but that is pretty much the limit of his abilities.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Chandler. Don't guess at the stats, look at the facts:
C. Lawson
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MIN 20.1
PTS 5.3
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
STL 0.7
BLK 0.5
O-PRPG 1.0
D-PRPG 2.3
Kao
------------
MIN 10.8
PTS 2.7
REB 1.6
AST 0.2
STL 0.0
BLK 1.8
O-PRPG 0.6
D-PRPG 1.2
So neither are stellar bigs, but objectively, Chandler is a little better. That's why you see him taking the lion's share of minutes over Kao. Hopefully we get a healthy Dandridge back soon. We could use him.
C. Lawson is also getting more than half the minutes\opportunity. Also, Kao’s ability to alter the opponent’s shots are not measured?
The PRPG stats tell the tale if the disparity in minutes has you confused.
The ability to alter and change shots does not necessarily show in the official stat line. Just like when a defensive lineman rushed a QB, but doesn’t get the sack. This still a huge contributor to an incomplete pass or interception. That’s what Kao does and he does and he does it on an elite level.
Even an announcer said whenever Kao is in the game, Memphis’s defense is on another level because the guards can be more aggressive and take more chances because they have a rim protector who can back them up.
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2023 02:31 PM by AustinTXTiger.)
(01-23-2023 02:28 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: The ability to alter and change shots does not necessarily show in the official stat line. Just like when a defensive lineman rushed a QB, but doesn’t get the sack. This still a huge contributor to an incomplete pass or interception. That’s what Kao does and he does and he does it on an elite level.
Elite level? I don't know that I agree with that. Question. If he's altering shots and so effective at defense, why doesn't that show up in his defensive rating which is almost half that of Lawson's? Again, look at the objective metrics and it becomes very clear.
Edit: To help make it clear, because you may not understand the stats, the defensive rating factors in points allowed. If his "shot altering" abilities are so good, then why is his defensive value rated at half that of Lawson's? Also, announcers don't always know what they're talking about. They were praising the incredible officiating in the game yesterday and how good the officials were. Enough said.
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2023 02:41 PM by msu35.)
(01-23-2023 02:28 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: The ability to alter and change shots does not necessarily show in the official stat line. Just like when a defensive lineman rushed a QB, but doesn’t get the sack. This still a huge contributor to an incomplete pass or interception. That’s what Kao does and he does and he does it on an elite level.
Elite level? I don't know that I agree with that. Question. If he's altering shots and so effective at defense, why doesn't that show up in his defensive rating which is almost half that of Lawson's? Again, look at the objective metrics and it becomes very clear.
Edit: To help make it clear, because you may not understand the stats, the defensive rating factors in points allowed. If his "shot altering" abilities are so good, then why is his defensive value rated at half that of Lawson's? Also, announcers don't always know what they're talking about. They were praising the incredible officiating in the game yesterday and how good the officials were. Enough said.
Ya, they are not fans of the team and following Memphis at all throughout the season. Most do a very minimum amount of prep work, basically looking at season averages and a few team highlights prior to a game. Meanwhile, they are trying to fill 120-150 minutes of airtime while trying to sound like they are deeply knowledgeable of each roster.
(01-23-2023 12:00 PM)AustinTXTiger Wrote: I completely understand Kao’s limitations. My point is C. Lawson provides no better option. He only averages like 2 pts per game, he barely rebounds, he’s extremely slow with perimeter defense, and he provides O rim protection. The fascination with him over Kao is seriously mind boggling. I can see if C. Lawson was like Duren or something.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Chandler. Don't guess at the stats, look at the facts:
C. Lawson
------------
MIN 20.1
PTS 5.3
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
STL 0.7
BLK 0.5
O-PRPG 1.0
D-PRPG 2.3
Kao
------------
MIN 10.8
PTS 2.7
REB 1.6
AST 0.2
STL 0.0
BLK 1.8
O-PRPG 0.6
D-PRPG 1.2
So neither are stellar bigs, but objectively, Chandler is a little better. That's why you see him taking the lion's share of minutes over Kao. Hopefully we get a healthy Dandridge back soon. We could use him.
C. Lawson is also getting more than half the minutes\opportunity. Also, Kao’s ability to alter the opponent’s shots are not measured?
The poster tells you to stop ignoring the facts/stats----but completely ignores the fact that ALO is leading Davis in FG%-and-3pt FG%----------stats for thee but not for me LOL
(01-23-2023 08:54 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: The poster tells you to stop ignoring the facts/stats----but completely ignores the fact that ALO is leading Davis in FG%-and-3pt FG%----------stats for thee but not for me LOL
See, that's where you're wrong Simple Jack. I'm not ignoring them at all. They do tell a story, but in isolation they're mostly meaningless as a measure of value to the team. The shots that Lomax has to take versus the shots that Davis has to take aren't even close to the same. Davis drives the ball into a stacked box to make his shots, often drawing a foul in the process. When on the perimeter, it's usually under duress being closely guarded by one or more defenders.
Beyond that, how do you explain the huge disparity in the BPM and even better the PRPG! if the shooting percentages tell the complete story? See, that's something you absolutely ignore to tell your twisted narrative, and it's a far more accurate indicator of offensive effectiveness than a simple statistic like a shooting percentage. Only a complete fool would ever try to assert that Lomax is in any way, shape, form, or fashion the better player over Davis.
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Lomax
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PRPG! 1.3
BPM 4.6
Davis
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PRPG! 5.2
BPM 7.0
^^^THIS^^^-----------how is this so hard to understand?-------only a moron would make the arguments you make-----------maybe if i write like this-----------you will figure it out-------------davis is the best player on the team--------lomax is an asset but can't compare to davis------------got it?-----------good----------LOL
Kao is a senior. He is what he is, there is no upside. But when he's in the game, he all but erases paint scoring for the other team. Doesn't get many rebounds because he tries to block everything, but he blocks about half of everything. That's worth something defensively.
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