(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 08:17 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:02 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Simple answer

2.9 ppg
1.7 rpg

He's one dimensional

His only skill is shot blocking.

Sure, that makes sense. Run your 5 ragged, don't give him a break by subbing for a rim protector who can make the easy shots from 2-3 feet from the basket.

Makes sense if Penny wanted someone who was able to rebound that game. As far as making the easy shots, he made one during the game. His other two points were from the line. Feels like you're looking for anything to complain about, regarding Penny, after the loss.

I'm not complaining, I'm wondering why Kao wasn't utilized more if even for a minute or two breather here and there for Deandre, who was clearly gassed.

Some of you guys must have taken classes in fandom because you all seem to think you're better at it than those of us who ask questions and wonder about some aspects of our performances.

(01-16-2023 09:58 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  At this juncture, Deandre is the key. We have to be able to count on him to
1) still be in the game in big moments
2) take some pressure off KD and not be a liability to commit an offensive foul or any other miscellaneous bone headed play

KD and Williams are good enough to get us through this stretch and get healthy, but we need Williams to get his head out of his @$$ and be the player we need him to be.

What we have done up to this point is despite Williams, not because of Williams. We need him to help carry us while Alo and Malco get healthy

You mean be the player he was yesterday...

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

Look bud, we don't need no stinkin facts here...

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

This is why he's not playing more. JDs gotta get more physicality out of him.

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Simple Jack doesn't understand anything, but this is what he really really doesn't get, when he makes those nonsensical posts about shooting percentages. When KD has the ball, there is always at least one other player on the other side who is going to follow him if he makes any kind of a move to the basket.

On the play that lead to the winning shot, every Temple player ran toward KD and he still got to the rim and was fouled after the timeout was called. Temple would have been thrilled if KD would have passed the ball to anyone else and let them try and beat them.

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto. The switch everything defense needs to go in the trash this year.

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto.

That is completely false; nothing shows that to be even remotely true. IF that was the case he would get posted up all the time, would get abused and would foul out of every game. That isn't happening at all.

What is happening is that our bigs are badly undersized and rebounds that would be gobbled up by true big men are bouncing out beyond their reach. We give up a long of long offensive rebounds, and our bigs often get easily pushed out of position.

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We saw today why he is not a stater, a stator, or a starter.

19 minutes 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, and 2 turnovers.

I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto. The switch everything defense needs to go in the trash this year.

This was specifically about Kao versus our other options. If you objectively look at his stats, he's not much of a rebounder.

(01-16-2023 11:35 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto.

That is completely false; nothing shows that to be even remotely true. IF that was the case he would get posted up all the time, would get abused and would foul out of every game. That isn't happening at all.

What is happening is that our bigs are badly undersized and rebounds that would be gobbled up by true big men are bouncing out beyond their reach. We give up a long of long offensive rebounds, and our bigs often get easily pushed out of position.

Did you watch the game yesterday? Temple specifically traded Kao for KD in the post the entire time he played. We never adjusted.

(01-16-2023 11:35 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:14 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  I really don't think you people watch the games and just look at stats. He had a pretty good game compared to most of the team. Temple threw multiple passes out of bounds because of him and despite guarding the opposing PG most of the game he only gave up 1 three. Not going to get many rebounds on the perimeter, but he also cleared the lane for the guards to grab rebounds that normally turn offensive. It wasn't his best game by any means, but he did good.

Advanced metrics say he was the 4th best player on the team yesterday and posted a solid defense rating. His only competition for the starting spot posted the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team and a worse overall rating.

KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto. The switch everything defense needs to go in the trash this year.

This was specifically about Kao versus our other options. If you objectively look at his stats, he's not much of a rebounder.

It is entirely a system problem. Every transfer we got this year was a better rebounder last year (some significantly). Most teams don't switch 1-5 so it is pretty easy to place blame there.

(01-16-2023 11:50 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  It is entirely a system problem. Every transfer we got this year was a better rebounder last year (some significantly). Most teams don't switch 1-5 so it is pretty easy to place blame there.

Okay, but like I was saying, within our team and system, he is objectively the weakest rebounder among our bigs.

(01-16-2023 11:51 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:50 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  It is entirely a system problem. Every transfer we got this year was a better rebounder last year (some significantly). Most teams don't switch 1-5 so it is pretty easy to place blame there.

Okay, but like I was saying, within our team and system, he is objectively the weakest rebounder among our bigs.

Oddly enough, Kao was actually the better rebounder until we hit conference games. The entire team basically fell off a cliff at that time too so something is broken.

(01-16-2023 11:58 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:51 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:50 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  It is entirely a system problem. Every transfer we got this year was a better rebounder last year (some significantly). Most teams don't switch 1-5 so it is pretty easy to place blame there.

Okay, but like I was saying, within our team and system, he is objectively the weakest rebounder among our bigs.

Oddly enough, Kao was actually the better rebounder until we hit conference games. The entire team basically fell off a cliff at that time too so something is broken.

I do not recall us switching everything during the nonconference schedule. Of course, we switched some screens but I do not think it was 100% like we have been doing in conference play and that seems to be creating chaos for our defense and our defensive rebounding.

(01-16-2023 11:58 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:51 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:50 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  It is entirely a system problem. Every transfer we got this year was a better rebounder last year (some significantly). Most teams don't switch 1-5 so it is pretty easy to place blame there.

Okay, but like I was saying, within our team and system, he is objectively the weakest rebounder among our bigs.

Oddly enough, Kao was actually the better rebounder until we hit conference games. The entire team basically fell off a cliff at that time too so something is broken.

Definitely shows promise. I still have high hopes for him, and really like his height and athleticism. He's always hustling on the floor and giving it 110%, which is half the battle.

(01-16-2023 11:45 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:35 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto.

That is completely false; nothing shows that to be even remotely true. IF that was the case he would get posted up all the time, would get abused and would foul out of every game. That isn't happening at all.

What is happening is that our bigs are badly undersized and rebounds that would be gobbled up by true big men are bouncing out beyond their reach. We give up a long of long offensive rebounds, and our bigs often get easily pushed out of position.

Did you watch the game yesterday? Temple specifically traded Kao for KD in the post the entire time he played. We never adjusted.

I don't know what fantasy you are talking about, but their bigs shot 6-18 from the field, and had 18 out of their 48 rebounds. White had 11 rebounds, but only 9 of his 30 minutes were at the 4-5. They had very few opportunities from inside that were easy or uncontested.

I guess you missed all of the rebounds bouncing over the heads of our undersized frontline.

Something that hasn't been mentioned related to rebounding, especially long rebounds which we rarely get..... If you observe the perimeter on long rebounds, on the defensive end, NONE of our players found on the perimeter when a shot goes up, box out. None. Our players that find themselves on the perimeter either drift towards the paint or drift out for fast break attempts - none are boxing out opponents on the perimeter & it leads to 2nd & 3rd shot attempts by our opponents. This is readily corrected but I'm not sure it's even being recognized even though it's contrary to fundamental BB.

(01-16-2023 11:50 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:35 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:08 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:59 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  KO can affect the game with no stats. It’s not only how he plays, it’s how the opponent plays because he is in the game

Hard to win games when you're not pulling rebounds.

We aren't pulling rebounds because our bigs are getting switched onto the perimeter and you have KD trying to outrebound the post he got switched onto. The switch everything defense needs to go in the trash this year.

This was specifically about Kao versus our other options. If you objectively look at his stats, he's not much of a rebounder.

It is entirely a system problem. Every transfer we got this year was a better rebounder last year (some significantly). Most teams don't switch 1-5 so it is pretty easy to place blame there.

Aren't they all getting fewer minutes against higher level competition?

We've been a BIG switching D for the last few years. It was lauded when we were putting up a couple of top 10 D's. This year it's just taking more time to gel.

There is definitely a rebounding problem, but I don't put it on the switching D.