(01-09-2023 05:12 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  When we had Nate and Andy together that one year, it made total sense to run the offense through those two guys with an offense that sort of went inside out, and even then, Andy spent much of his time on the perimeter. With the makeup of this year's personnel, I would have thought by now that Dane would have concluded that working from the inside out is not working out at this point. Try to spread the defense out some by running an offense that emphasizes the perimeter shot and get open looks for your best shooters. If you start making threes and make the opponent respect your shooters, then the space opens up for guard penetration and getting the ball in the hands of your interior guys at a place that they might have a little freedom when the shoot.

Now I am heading back to the Holiday Inn Express.

I was shocked to see that in the CAA stats to-date, W&M leads the league in 3 point shooting percentage.

(01-09-2023 05:22 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 05:12 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  When we had Nate and Andy together that one year, it made total sense to run the offense through those two guys with an offense that sort of went inside out, and even then, Andy spent much of his time on the perimeter. With the makeup of this year's personnel, I would have thought by now that Dane would have concluded that working from the inside out is not working out at this point. Try to spread the defense out some by running an offense that emphasizes the perimeter shot and get open looks for your best shooters. If you start making threes and make the opponent respect your shooters, then the space opens up for guard penetration and getting the ball in the hands of your interior guys at a place that they might have a little freedom when the shoot.

Now I am heading back to the Holiday Inn Express.

IMO, we didn't run the offense through Nate and Andy enough in Dane's first year, and I don't think we're working inside out now as much as just trying to throw the ball towards the basket and hope for the best. The nit I'm picking here is that I think of working inside out as posting up bigs and having them pass out of double-teams or win one-on-one post moves. We're all dribble-drive downhill until you see the defender arc under the basket and then force a shot. If there's a big in the post, it just means another defender, because we rarely find them for a dump-off. That extra defender is why we get so many shots blocked.

In general terms, I think that we are both close to saying the same thing although I do think that you have done a better job of making the point that I was trying to make. Quite frankly, you make the offense that we run sound even worse than what I was trying to describe, and I agree with you. The only thing about the blocked shots on Saturday that was an anomaly was the sheer number on them.

(01-09-2023 05:25 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 05:12 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  When we had Nate and Andy together that one year, it made total sense to run the offense through those two guys with an offense that sort of went inside out, and even then, Andy spent much of his time on the perimeter. With the makeup of this year's personnel, I would have thought by now that Dane would have concluded that working from the inside out is not working out at this point. Try to spread the defense out some by running an offense that emphasizes the perimeter shot and get open looks for your best shooters. If you start making threes and make the opponent respect your shooters, then the space opens up for guard penetration and getting the ball in the hands of your interior guys at a place that they might have a little freedom when the shoot.

Now I am heading back to the Holiday Inn Express.

I was shocked to see that in the CAA stats to-date, W&M leads the league in 3 point shooting percentage.

Dorsey shoots 44%, Nelson shoots 45%, and although it's a small sample size Ayesa is 15/22 (68%).

AND that's being dragged down by CASE (5-31! 16%) and MULLINS (3-22! 14%)

I'm sorry but that's criminal. How on earth can we lead the conference in 3P% with such an anemic offense. 1st in 3P% but 7th in eFG% tells you everything you need to know. We're 10th in attempts with the best rate in the league!

Other people said it here first... it's a real shame we're not running Shaver's offense with this team. Throw in our current defense and it would be potentially a lot of fun.

(01-10-2023 11:38 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  I'm sorry but that's criminal. How on earth can we lead the conference in 3P% with such an anemic offense. 1st in 3P% but 7th in eFG% tells you everything you need to know. We're 10th in attempts with the best rate in the league!

We tend to wait for pretty high-quality jumpers. Normally not a bad thing but given how bad we are at the rim and at the line, it might be worth the risk of more contested threes.

(01-10-2023 06:28 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 11:38 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  I'm sorry but that's criminal. How on earth can we lead the conference in 3P% with such an anemic offense. 1st in 3P% but 7th in eFG% tells you everything you need to know. We're 10th in attempts with the best rate in the league!

We tend to wait for pretty high-quality jumpers. Normally not a bad thing but given how bad we are at the rim and at the line, it might be worth the risk of more contested threes.

No doubt and normally I'd be all for focusing on the quality of our shots (hell I said that just a few posts up I'm realizing) but these stats require a shift about the way we think about our offense, imo. No reason for us to be a slow tempo, heavy post play, defensive team when the numbers show that 1) we're not good at it and 2) there's actually a viable alternative

(01-10-2023 11:38 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  I'm sorry but that's criminal. How on earth can we lead the conference in 3P% with such an anemic offense. 1st in 3P% but 7th in eFG% tells you everything you need to know. We're 10th in attempts with the best rate in the league!

You shoot twos .460, and the NCAA average is .509, so that hurts your eFG%. The CAA shoots twos .489.