(01-04-2023 10:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ....

I think these situations call for cognitive dissonance in a number of ways. For example, if you are Cal, you know you would instantly jump on a B1G invite, but as long as the invite isn't actually in your mail box, it makes sense to profess "unity" with your current conference.

It's kind of like coaches now with the transfer portal. Going in to the off-season, you have two QBs, one of whom is your clear-cut #1 guy, but you have a #2 guy who is good and is valuable as the backup. When it comes to the QB job next season, you have to dance around that - you have to say some things about "every guy will have the chance to compete" for the starting job, because you don't want the #2 guy to think he's locked out lest he dive into that portal, but you also have to say some things about the #1 guy "being our guy" so as to reassure him so he won't dive in the portal. Inevitably, you have to say more of the latter, but not so harshly that you edge the second guy over that portal edge. It's a tough line to hew.

That's CFB today, and really, it's kind of always been that way.

Yes. And it's hardly just a CFB thing. Many things in life are this way.

When you hold a job, you remain a proud member of the current team to anyone who asks—even if your CV is sitting on a desk elsewhere and you're quietly cleaning out your desk. You're on the team you're on until you're on another one.

A Facebook data study found that users who are 'in a relationship' are least likely to change their status over the days from Christmas to New Year. This lull is followed by a spike.

Our choices will never please everybody. But we all know the rule. As far as you are able, do no harm.

Whenever someone starts a sentence, "To be honest with you", they usually aren't being so.

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 09:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 07:21 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  How did that statement from the UC Board of Regents last month impact the ongoing "Pac-12" media rights negotiations?

Seems to punch a hole in George Kliavkoff's proclamation that his conference's 10 remaining schools are united

This is what he actually said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...899822002/

“I would love there to be harmony amongst everybody,'' said Rich Leib, chair of the UC Regents. "To be honest with you, I would love for Cal in the Big Ten. ... But that’s not where it is right now.’’

Leib said the regents explored the possibility of the Big Ten taking Cal and adding additional Pac-12 schools -- Stanford, Washington and Oregon.

"We certainly put some pressure on to see if we could,'' he said. "In the end, the expansion was not going to be on the table for us.’’

The Big Ten is not expanding beyond 16 at this point in time. That is what Leib found out. So, the Pac-12 can do their deal and add whatever teams they are going to add and everyone can move forward.

No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

"When you least expect it, expect it."

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 09:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 07:21 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  How did that statement from the UC Board of Regents last month impact the ongoing "Pac-12" media rights negotiations?

Seems to punch a hole in George Kliavkoff's proclamation that his conference's 10 remaining schools are united

This is what he actually said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...899822002/

“I would love there to be harmony amongst everybody,'' said Rich Leib, chair of the UC Regents. "To be honest with you, I would love for Cal in the Big Ten. ... But that’s not where it is right now.’’

Leib said the regents explored the possibility of the Big Ten taking Cal and adding additional Pac-12 schools -- Stanford, Washington and Oregon.

"We certainly put some pressure on to see if we could,'' he said. "In the end, the expansion was not going to be on the table for us.’’

The Big Ten is not expanding beyond 16 at this point in time. That is what Leib found out. So, the Pac-12 can do their deal and add whatever teams they are going to add and everyone can move forward.

No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 09:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  This is what he actually said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...899822002/

“I would love there to be harmony amongst everybody,'' said Rich Leib, chair of the UC Regents. "To be honest with you, I would love for Cal in the Big Ten. ... But that’s not where it is right now.’’

Leib said the regents explored the possibility of the Big Ten taking Cal and adding additional Pac-12 schools -- Stanford, Washington and Oregon.

"We certainly put some pressure on to see if we could,'' he said. "In the end, the expansion was not going to be on the table for us.’’

The Big Ten is not expanding beyond 16 at this point in time. That is what Leib found out. So, the Pac-12 can do their deal and add whatever teams they are going to add and everyone can move forward.

No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

It doesn't sound like the Purdue president is slamming the door on expansion either. Maybe they're waiting to see what happens with the ACC??

(01-04-2023 01:54 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

It doesn't sound like the Purdue president is slamming the door on expansion either. Maybe they're waiting to see what happens with the ACC??

The Big Ten is not slamming the door on expansion at all. But getting comfortable with the latest move is not expansion in 2024. It probably means expansion in 2030 or at the end of this contract, and that will depend on the media revenue.

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 09:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  This is what he actually said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...899822002/

“I would love there to be harmony amongst everybody,'' said Rich Leib, chair of the UC Regents. "To be honest with you, I would love for Cal in the Big Ten. ... But that’s not where it is right now.’’

Leib said the regents explored the possibility of the Big Ten taking Cal and adding additional Pac-12 schools -- Stanford, Washington and Oregon.

"We certainly put some pressure on to see if we could,'' he said. "In the end, the expansion was not going to be on the table for us.’’

The Big Ten is not expanding beyond 16 at this point in time. That is what Leib found out. So, the Pac-12 can do their deal and add whatever teams they are going to add and everyone can move forward.

No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

Read what you just quoted! Daniels is not saying no to 18. He’s just saying to get it right.

(01-04-2023 01:54 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

It doesn't sound like the Purdue president is slamming the door on expansion either. Maybe they're waiting to see what happens with the ACC??

Mitch Daniels resigned as Purdue president effective January 1, 2023. Regardless of how you interpret his expansion comments, his opinion actually became irrelevant three days ago. His opinions on Big Ten expansion now aren't any more relevant than the opinions of anybody on this website.

(01-04-2023 02:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

Read what you just quoted! Daniels is not saying no to 18. He’s just saying to get it right.

His post right before yours (which may not have been there as you were responding, based on the time stamps) addresses this.

They're not outright saying no forever, they're saying they should be comfortable with what they just did before making the decision on doing more. That would require seeing how the 16 works, to some degree, before expanding more.

That will most likely lead to future expansion, but not future expansion within the next year or two. I would personally read it as (and therefore this is my opinion and not gospel) at the earliest sometime around 2028-2030 would be their next round.

The SEC isn't going to grab any of the PAC schools, so if that's where they want to go, there's no rush to get there while they see how the LA market plays out for them.

(01-04-2023 02:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 10:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  No. Its not expanding to 20 with Cal at this point. That's all we know.

And the Pac is united. "Big 10 or bust!"

The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

Read what you just quoted! Daniels is not saying no to 18. He’s just saying to get it right.

Again, He is saying to get the 16 right. You can read what you want to read into it, but that does not change the facts. Also, listen to what Warren is now saying:
https://www.on3.com/news/kevin-warren-to...missioner/

“The biggest thing right now that we have come up with, what we’re calling some of our ‘can’t-miss priorities,’ and one of the can’t-miss priorities is to make sure that we flawlessly integrate our new media partners,” Warren said. “But the other big one is to make sure that we flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA into the Big Ten Conference. In the climate that we’re in right now in college athletics, you also always have to be mindful of expansion.

“But our priority is just to make sure one, we take care of our 14 member institutions now, from a basketball standpoint, from a conference standpoint, and that we do everything that we possibly can to make sure that we flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA into the Big Ten Conference. We have a lot of work to do. It’s one thing to negotiate contracts, to make an announcement. But it’s another thing to actually get the work done, and that’s what we’re focused on right now.”

You don't "flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA" before they enter the Big Ten. It is going to take a few years. Warren was taking a victory lap after adding USC and UCLA and talking about adding more schools. Someone told him that is not going to happen before USC and UCLA are actually in the conference. His message changed over the past few months.

(01-04-2023 02:19 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

Read what you just quoted! Daniels is not saying no to 18. He’s just saying to get it right.

His post right before yours (which may not have been there as you were responding, based on the time stamps) addresses this.

They're not outright saying no forever, they're saying they should be comfortable with what they just did before making the decision on doing more. That would require seeing how the 16 works, to some degree, before expanding more.

That will most likely lead to future expansion, but not future expansion within the next year or two. I would personally read it as (and therefore this is my opinion and not gospel) at the earliest sometime around 2028-2030 would be their next round.

The SEC isn't going to grab any of the PAC schools, so if that's where they want to go, there's no rush to get there while they see how the LA market plays out for them.

You are throwing your own interpretation that isn't there. There is nothing in that quote that says no until you have tried out 16. It could be interpreted as nothing more than planning everything out and seeing how it would all work.

(01-04-2023 02:29 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

Read what you just quoted! Daniels is not saying no to 18. He’s just saying to get it right.

Again, He is saying to get the 16 right. You can read what you want to read into it, but that does not change the facts. Also, listen to what Warren is now saying:
https://www.on3.com/news/kevin-warren-to...missioner/

“The biggest thing right now that we have come up with, what we’re calling some of our ‘can’t-miss priorities,’ and one of the can’t-miss priorities is to make sure that we flawlessly integrate our new media partners,” Warren said. “But the other big one is to make sure that we flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA into the Big Ten Conference. In the climate that we’re in right now in college athletics, you also always have to be mindful of expansion.

“But our priority is just to make sure one, we take care of our 14 member institutions now, from a basketball standpoint, from a conference standpoint, and that we do everything that we possibly can to make sure that we flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA into the Big Ten Conference. We have a lot of work to do. It’s one thing to negotiate contracts, to make an announcement. But it’s another thing to actually get the work done, and that’s what we’re focused on right now.”

You don't "flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA" before they enter the Big Ten. It is going to take a few years. Warren was taking a victory lap after adding USC and UCLA and talking about adding more schools. Someone told him that is not going to happen before USC and UCLA are actually in the conference. His message changed over the past few months.

Again, you are throwing your own interpretation into that. There is absolutely nothing that has been said that supports your interpretation as being "fact." It is simply your interpretation of what has been said.

I think its all very open as to what they will do and what they are thinking. Except that we do know Warren wants to at some point expand beyond 16. And we do know UW and Oregon have sat down and talked with Big 10 officials and let that become public.

(01-04-2023 01:11 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

"When you least expect it, expect it."

Or you expect it, don't expect it.

Think about most of the moves that have happened. Usually after one domino falls the rumors of whose next start happening and very rarely do they happen. I think I remember North Carolina and Virginia to the Big Ten, Clemson and Florida State to the Big 12, etc. The moves that actually have happened often come out of thin air and people didn't see them coming.

(01-04-2023 02:29 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 02:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The Big Ten is not expanding to 18 or 20 or 22 or 24. That is what we do know. Every school in the Pac-12 would want the deal that USC and UCLA are getting, along with every school in the Big 12 and every school in the ACC.

We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

Warren does not make that decision. Listen to what the Presidents are saying. This from Mitch Daniels at Purdue:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...589717007/
"People have somewhat overrated and overstated in going beyond 16. I think people have a little bit overestimated the incremental money of the LA schools. It's real. It's not as big as some people have thought beyond what we would have had anyway."

"I'm not saying 18 is wrong. I'm not saying 20 is wrong. Others will make those calls. I just think that we can … let’s get the rules of engagement set. Let's get comfortable with the latest move first. I just think that it would be prudent."

"And I've expressed that inside (the room) and by the way, I can tell you, in that view, I am far from alone in the Big Ten. There are many others who have said similar things when we're together."

Others have said this as well. This could be one reason that Warren is interviewing with the Chicago Bears.

Read what you just quoted! Daniels is not saying no to 18. He’s just saying to get it right.

Again, He is saying to get the 16 right. You can read what you want to read into it, but that does not change the facts. Also, listen to what Warren is now saying:
https://www.on3.com/news/kevin-warren-to...missioner/

“The biggest thing right now that we have come up with, what we’re calling some of our ‘can’t-miss priorities,’ and one of the can’t-miss priorities is to make sure that we flawlessly integrate our new media partners,” Warren said. “But the other big one is to make sure that we flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA into the Big Ten Conference. In the climate that we’re in right now in college athletics, you also always have to be mindful of expansion.

“But our priority is just to make sure one, we take care of our 14 member institutions now, from a basketball standpoint, from a conference standpoint, and that we do everything that we possibly can to make sure that we flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA into the Big Ten Conference. We have a lot of work to do. It’s one thing to negotiate contracts, to make an announcement. But it’s another thing to actually get the work done, and that’s what we’re focused on right now.”

You don't "flawlessly integrate USC and UCLA" before they enter the Big Ten. It is going to take a few years. Warren was taking a victory lap after adding USC and UCLA and talking about adding more schools. Someone told him that is not going to happen before USC and UCLA are actually in the conference. His message changed over the past few months.

It might not matter what Kevin Warren thinks either. If he takes the job with the Chicago Bears then he's out of the picture. I would expect some move like that to take place after the season if it's going to happen. And most of whatever these people say publicly is meant to be coy or a non-answer. You can't base everything on public statements.

Anyway, regardless of what anyone says or doesn't say, situations ebb and flow. The Big Ten doesn't have to be in a rush and neither does the SEC for that matter, but in a manner of speaking the SEC is on the clock. These things tend to be a series of moves and countermoves. I would expect something relating to the SEC/ACC before the Big Ten really makes another sweeping move.

(01-07-2023 10:42 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:11 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  We don’t know that UW and Oregon won’t get invited in the next year. Warren has clearly indicated he expects more expansion. Not this week, but it could be a month. It could be 6 or 7 years.

"When you least expect it, expect it."

Or you expect it, don't expect it.

Think about most of the moves that have happened. Usually after one domino falls the rumors of whose next start happening and very rarely do they happen. I think I remember North Carolina and Virginia to the Big Ten, Clemson and Florida State to the Big 12, etc. The moves that actually have happened often come out of thin air and people didn't see them coming.

When were there ever seriously reports of UNC and UVA to the Big Ten?

FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 literally started as a stupid internet rumor from a guy who called himself the Dude of West Virginia. There was about one month where it seemed like there was a slim chance that FSU and Clemson officials might move to the Big 12 because of an alumni outcry.

Everybody pretty much knew that Texas and OU would leave the Big 12 once the GOR ended. There were only a few things about the move that arguably were a bit surprising:

1. They went to the SEC, rather than the PAC as they had flirted with in 2010-11 (although that might not have been that unexpected if you paid attention to how much the SEC-PAC revenue gap has exploded just since 2011)

2. They announced their move a whole four years before the GOR ended

3. They were able to keep their negotiations secret until the ink was dry