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RE: MBB today, WBB tomorrow
That is after bringing in 8 players his first recruiting class last year
01-06-2023 11:43 PM
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(01-06-2023 11:37 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 06:59 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 05:30 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Assume this was one that slipped through the cracks between Monty and Burno, but an example of an overlooked and underrated prospect from our backyard: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-honone...05974.html

Meh...

He wasn't underrated. He was perfectly rated. Spent 3 years at St. Cloud State and had a nice little career there but his stats at EIU aren't exactly eye popping.

If anyone missed on him it was ISU being that he played high school at Bloomington HS.

He's basically Zarique Nutter but not as tall and slightly to moderately worse.

EIU coach wasn’t wasting time. Brought in 9 new players last season. Wish that was the route burno went in. Just flip the entire roster with guys you went after.

Burno brought in 8 new players this year to go with the 5 he brought in last year (minus 2 in Myrick and Kon). In 2 years, Burno has brought in 13 new players.
01-06-2023 11:46 PM
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(01-06-2023 06:59 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 05:30 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Assume this was one that slipped through the cracks between Monty and Burno, but an example of an overlooked and underrated prospect from our backyard: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-honone...05974.html
He wasn't underrated. Spent 3 years at St. Cloud State and had a nice little career there but his stats at EIU aren't exactly eye popping.
If anyone missed on him it was ISU being that he played high school at Bloomington HS.
He's basically Zarique Nutter but not as tall and slightly to moderately worse.

As the article notes, he spent three years at Rockton Hononegah (our backyard) before transferring to Bloomington for his senior year so he could be as much our miss as ISU's.
It's also fair to say he had more than "a nice little career" at St. Cloud since "he was pursued by 10 different Division I schools" and had "two years of eligibility left" because of Covid.
Beyond NIU's top three scorers we've got plenty of guys whose stats are not "eye-popping" and there is a little more value in having local talent on the roster. For one, you send the message you look for in-state talent and two, it may be very incremental, but local could be a small boost for attendance and media interest on the hometown. Not arguing that this kid is an answer but he's no less a consideration for a roster that is still very limited and incomplete.
01-07-2023 10:58 AM
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RE: MBB today, WBB tomorrow
(01-07-2023 10:58 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 06:59 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 05:30 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Assume this was one that slipped through the cracks between Monty and Burno, but an example of an overlooked and underrated prospect from our backyard: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-honone...05974.html
He wasn't underrated. Spent 3 years at St. Cloud State and had a nice little career there but his stats at EIU aren't exactly eye popping.
If anyone missed on him it was ISU being that he played high school at Bloomington HS.
He's basically Zarique Nutter but not as tall and slightly to moderately worse.

As the article notes, he spent three years at Rockton Hononegah (our backyard) before transferring to Bloomington for his senior year so he could be as much our miss as ISU's.
It's also fair to say he had more than "a nice little career" at St. Cloud since "he was pursued by 10 different Division I schools" and had "two years of eligibility left" because of Covid.
Beyond NIU's top three scorers we've got plenty of guys whose stats are not "eye-popping" and there is a little more value in having local talent on the roster. For one, you send the message you look for in-state talent and two, it may be very incremental, but local could be a small boost for attendance and media interest on the hometown. Not arguing that this kid is an answer but he's no less a consideration for a roster that is still very limited and incomplete.

Excellent Post.

I know some posters roll their eyes when I (and some others) draw up some history, but I do because the ones who don't go far back enough don't "get" how NIU got to be what it is.

So, just for a wider perspective, compare any of the above with the late John McDougal.

His record at NIU was 136-141. Only one of his 10 teams went to the NCAA (1981-82, when the tournament had 48 teams). But every one of those 10 teams always *felt* like it had a chance. None of the 10 won less than 11 games; always double digit-wins. There was no "this sucks" attitude on or around the team, the campus or community. Attendance (the old fieldhouse, capacity 6,000) was always at least a quarter full even during holidays, usually more.

The real difference between "Mac" and the coaches you mentioned is perspective. He was the much-lauded, much-awarded and much-respected head coach at nearby West Aurora HS. When he got the NIU job, he was the "kid on the block who made good" among other Illinois HS coaches. He knew everbody and was not known to diss any other coach or team. He had connections.

{What did him in (fired) was his outspoken opposition to the Wingfield/Brigham "stars in their eyes" "we're gonna be in the Big12" dreamers after the 1983 California Bowl win that shortly after tripped NIU into football independence. Mac said it would kill other sports (like bball) and it pretty much did. It also almost killed football, saved only by going back to the MAC.}

OK, with that history behind us, compare Mac's recruiting to Montgomery and/or Burno. (Forget Patton. Monty was around long enough (10 years) to assess "current" team history and put it in perspective with Mac). Mac had to recruit "locals" against DePaul, Loyola, Northwestern, UofI and the MVC schools like Illinois State and SIU. All of them knew what Mac was after. But he got good kids anyway who worked hard, played hard and "schooled" hard.

Burno's connection is he played for DePaul and was head coach at Marmion. After then he went where he went. Montgomery was a main man for Izzo at Michigan State.

So what have we got/gotten from these two guys? Read Big Red's summary of their recruiting, where their players come from. This is a "mid mid-major," as BR correctly calls it. What "pipeline is Burno building? Nigeria? Japan? Switzerland? Colombia? Lithuania? The United Nations?

And might there be a little cultural barrier in there somewhere? These guys have to "live" together off the court.

NIU needs that Chicago regional pipeline more than anything. Get a wired-in HS coach as #1 assistant. Make him the new "kid on the block who made good."

(Footnote: the more "local" players you have -- and get some damn home o-o-c games -- the more you build "community" and attendance. It's a helluva lot easier to play in front of 2,000 screaming fans than 500 who are busy searching for the elusive hot dog.)

Just my rambling thoughts.
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01-07-2023 11:34 AM
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John M. was a really great guy. Evans Field House games always were an event and had a buzz for every game. John M. helped me move into my first apartment at NIU. He was good friends with Tennis Head Coach at the time, Carl Neufeld who I played for. Crazy now to think the NIU BB Head Coach would take the time to help me move my stuff, but that really sums up what a nice man he was.
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RE: MBB today, WBB tomorrow
(01-07-2023 10:58 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 06:59 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 05:30 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Assume this was one that slipped through the cracks between Monty and Burno, but an example of an overlooked and underrated prospect from our backyard: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-honone...05974.html
He wasn't underrated. Spent 3 years at St. Cloud State and had a nice little career there but his stats at EIU aren't exactly eye popping.
If anyone missed on him it was ISU being that he played high school at Bloomington HS.
He's basically Zarique Nutter but not as tall and slightly to moderately worse.

As the article notes, he spent three years at Rockton Hononegah (our backyard) before transferring to Bloomington for his senior year so he could be as much our miss as ISU's.
It's also fair to say he had more than "a nice little career" at St. Cloud since "he was pursued by 10 different Division I schools" and had "two years of eligibility left" because of Covid.
Beyond NIU's top three scorers we've got plenty of guys whose stats are not "eye-popping" and there is a little more value in having local talent on the roster. For one, you send the message you look for in-state talent and two, it may be very incremental, but local could be a small boost for attendance and media interest on the hometown. Not arguing that this kid is an answer but he's no less a consideration for a roster that is still very limited and incomplete.

I get what you're saying and am not trying to dismiss the idea of this kid. I didn't intend to but maybe came off that way.

I guess when I think "missed" on a guy, I hold that a little more in a higher plane. We have guys just like Donaldson on our team right now. He's kind of a dime a dozen and they're all over. I look at him like I look at a guy like Darweshi Hunter. Nice guy to have on the team but totally fungible...but also...nice to have and has value.
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RE: MBB today, WBB tomorrow
The EIU kid seems to be a much more reliable scorer than Hunter. My guess is guys like Hunter and Crump make shots in practice but not so much in games. NIU beat EIU 90-70
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(01-07-2023 08:11 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  The EIU kid seems to be a much more reliable scorer than Hunter. My guess is guys like Hunter and Crump make shots in practice but not so much in games. NIU beat EIU 90-70

I suppose. Averages are averages and don't really reflect streakiness or whatever.

And I'm not saying Hunter is better or whatever but just for comparison:

Donaldson - 30.4 minutes per game - 8.6 ppg = .283 points per minute played or 11.32 points/40 minutes
Hunter - 15.3 minutes per game - 4.5 ppg = .294 points per minute played or 11.76 points/40 minutes

Honestly, that came out way closer than I ever thought it was going to be when I started it.
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(01-05-2023 07:20 AM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  I still feel Northwestern will finish at the bottom of the Bigten

Or not.
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(01-08-2023 11:34 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 07:20 AM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  I still feel Northwestern will finish at the bottom of the Bigten

Or not.

I was going to bring this up again and then deleted my comment...03-lmfao
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