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The Golden Flashes open conference play tonight at the MAC Center against Western Michigan. The Broncos wrapped up non league play at 4-9, going 1-6 on the road.

The common opponent is Cleveland State, who defeated the Broncos by 22 points in late November.

Western Michigan has held their own against Big Ten Opponents including a ten point loss to #14 Wisconsin (76-66) and a one point loss to Minnesota.

The Flashes will have to slow down Lamar Norman Jr. (17.1 ppg) and Trey Maddox (11.1 ppg). Both of these guards are Michigan kids who transferred back home. Norman Jr., a 6'1 guard, played for three seasons at Duquense while the 6'6 Maddox made the return trip to Michigan from Cal State Fullerton.

Another guy to watch tonight is 6'8 junior center Titus Wright. He has....are you ready for this...played all three seasons at WMU. This season has has started all 13 games and averages 7.4 points on 60% shooting. Wright and 6'7 forward Markese Hastings will challenge the Flashes under the hoop.

From what I can tell this is your typical Jekyll and Hyde WMU team that we grew to love under Coach Hawkins. Can they beat the Golden Flashes? Sure. Should they beat the Golden Flashes? No way. My deep dive analytical research tells me that if Kent State limits WMU to one shot and takes care of the basketball, the good guys will be 1-0 after tonight's contest.

Kent State 73
Western Michigan 58
Carry puts in 17 and Jacobs just misses a double double with 11 and 8

GO FLASHES!
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The last I looked KSU was giving 17.5 points. I'm fairly certain the Flashes will win but were I a betting man I'd take the points.
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(01-03-2023 08:10 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  The Golden Flashes open conference play tonight at the MAC Center against Western Michigan. The Broncos wrapped up non league play at 4-9, going 1-6 on the road.

The common opponent is Cleveland State, who defeated the Broncos by 22 points in late November.

Western Michigan has held their own against Big Ten Opponents including a ten point loss to #14 Wisconsin (76-66) and a one point loss to Minnesota.

The Flashes will have to slow down Lamar Norman Jr. (17.1 ppg) and Trey Maddox (11.1 ppg). Both of these guards are Michigan kids who transferred back home. Norman Jr., a 6'1 guard, played for three seasons at Duquense while the 6'6 Maddox made the return trip to Michigan from Cal State Fullerton.

Another guy to watch tonight is 6'8 junior center Titus Wright. He has....are you ready for this...played all three seasons at WMU. This season has has started all 13 games and averages 7.4 points on 60% shooting. Wright and 6'7 forward Markese Hastings will challenge the Flashes under the hoop.

From what I can tell this is your typical Jekyll and Hyde WMU team that we grew to love under Coach Hawkins. Can they beat the Golden Flashes? Sure. Should they beat the Golden Flashes? No way. My deep dive analytical research tells me that if Kent State limits WMU to one shot and takes care of the basketball, the good guys will be 1-0 after tonight's contest.

Kent State 73
Western Michigan 58
Carry puts in 17 and Jacobs just misses a double double with 11 and 8

GO FLASHES!

I think we have a lot of company. 92.3 The Fan actually told all their listeners the MAC season starts tonight on their every 20 minute update. It was mentioned right along with the Browns and the Cavs. Then their gambling ads talked about betting on Toledo tonight (I think). Amazing since that was more coverage of MAC basketball then I have ever heard on the station.
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(01-03-2023 03:22 PM)burden Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 08:10 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  The Golden Flashes open conference play tonight at the MAC Center against Western Michigan. The Broncos wrapped up non league play at 4-9, going 1-6 on the road.

The common opponent is Cleveland State, who defeated the Broncos by 22 points in late November.

Western Michigan has held their own against Big Ten Opponents including a ten point loss to #14 Wisconsin (76-66) and a one point loss to Minnesota.

The Flashes will have to slow down Lamar Norman Jr. (17.1 ppg) and Trey Maddox (11.1 ppg). Both of these guards are Michigan kids who transferred back home. Norman Jr., a 6'1 guard, played for three seasons at Duquense while the 6'6 Maddox made the return trip to Michigan from Cal State Fullerton.

Another guy to watch tonight is 6'8 junior center Titus Wright. He has....are you ready for this...played all three seasons at WMU. This season has has started all 13 games and averages 7.4 points on 60% shooting. Wright and 6'7 forward Markese Hastings will challenge the Flashes under the hoop.

From what I can tell this is your typical Jekyll and Hyde WMU team that we grew to love under Coach Hawkins. Can they beat the Golden Flashes? Sure. Should they beat the Golden Flashes? No way. My deep dive analytical research tells me that if Kent State limits WMU to one shot and takes care of the basketball, the good guys will be 1-0 after tonight's contest.

Kent State 73
Western Michigan 58
Carry puts in 17 and Jacobs just misses a double double with 11 and 8

GO FLASHES!

I think we have a lot of company. 92.3 The Fan actually told all their listeners the MAC season starts tonight on their every 20 minute update. It was mentioned right along with the Browns and the Cavs. Then their gambling ads talked about betting on Toledo tonight (I think). Amazing since that was more coverage of MAC basketball then I have ever heard on the station.

Wow. Two sentences every 20 minutes. I guess OSU's season must be over. 01-wingedeagle
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(01-03-2023 03:30 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 03:22 PM)burden Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 08:10 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  The Golden Flashes open conference play tonight at the MAC Center against Western Michigan. The Broncos wrapped up non league play at 4-9, going 1-6 on the road.

The common opponent is Cleveland State, who defeated the Broncos by 22 points in late November.

Western Michigan has held their own against Big Ten Opponents including a ten point loss to #14 Wisconsin (76-66) and a one point loss to Minnesota.

The Flashes will have to slow down Lamar Norman Jr. (17.1 ppg) and Trey Maddox (11.1 ppg). Both of these guards are Michigan kids who transferred back home. Norman Jr., a 6'1 guard, played for three seasons at Duquense while the 6'6 Maddox made the return trip to Michigan from Cal State Fullerton.

Another guy to watch tonight is 6'8 junior center Titus Wright. He has....are you ready for this...played all three seasons at WMU. This season has has started all 13 games and averages 7.4 points on 60% shooting. Wright and 6'7 forward Markese Hastings will challenge the Flashes under the hoop.

From what I can tell this is your typical Jekyll and Hyde WMU team that we grew to love under Coach Hawkins. Can they beat the Golden Flashes? Sure. Should they beat the Golden Flashes? No way. My deep dive analytical research tells me that if Kent State limits WMU to one shot and takes care of the basketball, the good guys will be 1-0 after tonight's contest.

Kent State 73
Western Michigan 58
Carry puts in 17 and Jacobs just misses a double double with 11 and 8

GO FLASHES!

I think we have a lot of company. 92.3 The Fan actually told all their listeners the MAC season starts tonight on their every 20 minute update. It was mentioned right along with the Browns and the Cavs. Then their gambling ads talked about betting on Toledo tonight (I think). Amazing since that was more coverage of MAC basketball then I have ever heard on the station.

Wow. Two sentences every 20 minutes. I guess OSU's season must be over. 01-wingedeagle

Actually that already is as much Ohio St basketball gets. They are Browns/Cavs/Guardians oriented. Any college basketball is abnormal.
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RE: Kent State vs. Western Michigan
(01-03-2023 03:41 PM)burden Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 03:30 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 03:22 PM)burden Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 08:10 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  The Golden Flashes open conference play tonight at the MAC Center against Western Michigan. The Broncos wrapped up non league play at 4-9, going 1-6 on the road.

The common opponent is Cleveland State, who defeated the Broncos by 22 points in late November.

Western Michigan has held their own against Big Ten Opponents including a ten point loss to #14 Wisconsin (76-66) and a one point loss to Minnesota.

The Flashes will have to slow down Lamar Norman Jr. (17.1 ppg) and Trey Maddox (11.1 ppg). Both of these guards are Michigan kids who transferred back home. Norman Jr., a 6'1 guard, played for three seasons at Duquense while the 6'6 Maddox made the return trip to Michigan from Cal State Fullerton.

Another guy to watch tonight is 6'8 junior center Titus Wright. He has....are you ready for this...played all three seasons at WMU. This season has has started all 13 games and averages 7.4 points on 60% shooting. Wright and 6'7 forward Markese Hastings will challenge the Flashes under the hoop.

From what I can tell this is your typical Jekyll and Hyde WMU team that we grew to love under Coach Hawkins. Can they beat the Golden Flashes? Sure. Should they beat the Golden Flashes? No way. My deep dive analytical research tells me that if Kent State limits WMU to one shot and takes care of the basketball, the good guys will be 1-0 after tonight's contest.

Kent State 73
Western Michigan 58
Carry puts in 17 and Jacobs just misses a double double with 11 and 8

GO FLASHES!

I think we have a lot of company. 92.3 The Fan actually told all their listeners the MAC season starts tonight on their every 20 minute update. It was mentioned right along with the Browns and the Cavs. Then their gambling ads talked about betting on Toledo tonight (I think). Amazing since that was more coverage of MAC basketball then I have ever heard on the station.

Wow. Two sentences every 20 minutes. I guess OSU's season must be over. 01-wingedeagle

Actually that already is as much Ohio St basketball gets. They are Browns/Cavs/Guardians oriented. Any college basketball is abnormal.

Surely they cover Ohio State football, though?
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(01-03-2023 04:37 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 03:41 PM)burden Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 03:30 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 03:22 PM)burden Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 08:10 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  The Golden Flashes open conference play tonight at the MAC Center against Western Michigan. The Broncos wrapped up non league play at 4-9, going 1-6 on the road.

The common opponent is Cleveland State, who defeated the Broncos by 22 points in late November.

Western Michigan has held their own against Big Ten Opponents including a ten point loss to #14 Wisconsin (76-66) and a one point loss to Minnesota.

The Flashes will have to slow down Lamar Norman Jr. (17.1 ppg) and Trey Maddox (11.1 ppg). Both of these guards are Michigan kids who transferred back home. Norman Jr., a 6'1 guard, played for three seasons at Duquense while the 6'6 Maddox made the return trip to Michigan from Cal State Fullerton.

Another guy to watch tonight is 6'8 junior center Titus Wright. He has....are you ready for this...played all three seasons at WMU. This season has has started all 13 games and averages 7.4 points on 60% shooting. Wright and 6'7 forward Markese Hastings will challenge the Flashes under the hoop.

From what I can tell this is your typical Jekyll and Hyde WMU team that we grew to love under Coach Hawkins. Can they beat the Golden Flashes? Sure. Should they beat the Golden Flashes? No way. My deep dive analytical research tells me that if Kent State limits WMU to one shot and takes care of the basketball, the good guys will be 1-0 after tonight's contest.

Kent State 73
Western Michigan 58
Carry puts in 17 and Jacobs just misses a double double with 11 and 8

GO FLASHES!

I think we have a lot of company. 92.3 The Fan actually told all their listeners the MAC season starts tonight on their every 20 minute update. It was mentioned right along with the Browns and the Cavs. Then their gambling ads talked about betting on Toledo tonight (I think). Amazing since that was more coverage of MAC basketball then I have ever heard on the station.

Wow. Two sentences every 20 minutes. I guess OSU's season must be over. 01-wingedeagle

Actually that already is as much Ohio St basketball gets. They are Browns/Cavs/Guardians oriented. Any college basketball is abnormal.

Surely they cover Ohio State football, though?

Sure they do but not as much as the newspapers do. Mentioning MAC basketball at all is a 1000% improvement. Usually they interview the MAC
Commissioner once during the MAC Tournament and that’s it. Don’t know if it’s just due to gambling taking over their ads but it happened. Ohio St football coverage is basically interviewing two or three Columbus reporters every week. I am biased to listening to Baskins and Phelps (both Kent grads) so maybe the other shows are more Buckeye football than they are but I don’t think so. What they do is over cover the Browns (every boring press conference etc). Pretty sure that’s the price they pay for becoming the Browns flagship station. I for one will take what I can get.
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So, has Senderoff tightened up his rotation for MAC play to 8 players?
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We don't look very good. If we weren't 17/17 from the line, this would be really close. Missing bunnies, taking bad shots, bad post defense.
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(01-03-2023 08:17 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  So, has Senderoff tightened up his rotation for MAC play to 8 players?

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And there it is. Goodnight Elizabeth!!
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Good on Rob. I could never coach this team. And maybe it's any team. Because I get so damn frustrated and he keeps his composure. Western is absolutely killing us in the paint. Again, without the FT discrepancy this would be a barnburner.
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What a joke. From 72-55 to 72-70. We got lucky. A lot of things to clean up. But a win is a win.
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A rather inauspicious start to MAC play.
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And what is with the announcers calling VCD, "Von Davis" and Sin Carry? Seems I am just annoyed tonight.
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Dang. I left too early. Enjoy z win and get better boys.

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Some thoughts. Whatever it is Sullinger has it. That kid wants the ball when we need a bucket. In my time I don't remember us ever having a 4th guard that was this good. Making and entirely too early bid at 6th man.

Jacobs and Carry get "Villain" treatment from the refs even at home. I'm sure they rubbed a lot of people the wrong way last year with their antics... But it doesn't make it right. Good luck finding another defending league MVP that gets in immediate foul trouble on little touch fouls at home like that. Sure wouldn't happen to Gonzaga. Then all game Carry got no calls on his drives. There as one really egregious one in the second half. Tough to square that away when he's also getting tagged with touch fouls on the other end. And again... He's the star... Normally not what you see...

As for Jacobs a really odd thing happened early in the first half. There was a jump ball going into a timeout and one ref pointed WMU's way. Jacobs went up to him and pointed the other way (Jacobs was correct). The ref angrily waived him off and when he said something else the ref started red-faced yelling at him. Jacobs looked pretty bewildered and the coaches grabbed him and pulled him into the huddle. Coming out of the timeout he went up to the ref and looked to say something calmly. Sure I don't know what he said but his demeanor looked like he was trying to explain. The ref immediately angrily waived him off, ran over to the bench and red-face yelled "Rob that's a warning on #2". It was freaking weird and it was early in the game before there was really any tension. The only explanation I can come up with is the ref (who I've seen plenty of times before) has a pre-existing issue with Jacobs. Either that or he takes his "authority" wayyy too seriously. Again I've seen this ref many times and don't remember seeing him react to a player like that before.
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(01-03-2023 09:31 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Some thoughts. Whatever it is Sullinger has it. That kid wants the ball when we need a bucket. In my time I don't remember us ever having a 4th guard that was this good. Making and entirely too early bid at 6th man.

Jacobs and Carry get "Villain" treatment from the refs even at home. I'm sure they rubbed a lot of people the wrong way last year with their antics... But it doesn't make it right. Good luck finding another defending league MVP that gets in immediate foul trouble on little touch fouls at home like that. Sure wouldn't happen to Gonzaga. Then all game Carry got no calls on his drives. There as one really egregious one in the second half. Tough to square that away when he's also getting tagged with touch fouls on the other end. And again... He's the star... Normally not what you see...

As for Jacobs a really odd thing happened early in the first half. There was a jump ball going into a timeout and one ref pointed WMU's way. Jacobs went up to him and pointed the other way (Jacobs was correct). The ref angrily waived him off and when he said something else the ref started red-faced yelling at him. Jacobs looked pretty bewildered and the coaches grabbed him and pulled him into the huddle. Coming out of the timeout he went up to the ref and looked to say something calmly. Sure I don't know what he said but his demeanor looked like he was trying to explain. The ref immediately angrily waived him off, ran over to the bench and red-face yelled "Rob that's a warning on #2". It was freaking weird and it was early in the game before there was really any tension. The only explanation I can come up with is the ref (who I've seen plenty of times before) has a pre-existing issue with Jacobs. Either that or he takes his "authority" wayyy too seriously. Again I've seen this ref many times and don't remember seeing him react to a player like that before.

This explains the box score for Carry/Jacobs a little bit .... however there are waaaay too many MAC games ahead vs. far better teams for one of these guys to have issues w/the refs, much less both of them.

Need to get a handle on it, for sure. Also need to get that interior defense in order. Hornbeack needs to be much more assertive ...
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(01-03-2023 09:37 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(01-03-2023 09:31 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Some thoughts. Whatever it is Sullinger has it. That kid wants the ball when we need a bucket. In my time I don't remember us ever having a 4th guard that was this good. Making and entirely too early bid at 6th man.

Jacobs and Carry get "Villain" treatment from the refs even at home. I'm sure they rubbed a lot of people the wrong way last year with their antics... But it doesn't make it right. Good luck finding another defending league MVP that gets in immediate foul trouble on little touch fouls at home like that. Sure wouldn't happen to Gonzaga. Then all game Carry got no calls on his drives. There as one really egregious one in the second half. Tough to square that away when he's also getting tagged with touch fouls on the other end. And again... He's the star... Normally not what you see...

As for Jacobs a really odd thing happened early in the first half. There was a jump ball going into a timeout and one ref pointed WMU's way. Jacobs went up to him and pointed the other way (Jacobs was correct). The ref angrily waived him off and when he said something else the ref started red-faced yelling at him. Jacobs looked pretty bewildered and the coaches grabbed him and pulled him into the huddle. Coming out of the timeout he went up to the ref and looked to say something calmly. Sure I don't know what he said but his demeanor looked like he was trying to explain. The ref immediately angrily waived him off, ran over to the bench and red-face yelled "Rob that's a warning on #2". It was freaking weird and it was early in the game before there was really any tension. The only explanation I can come up with is the ref (who I've seen plenty of times before) has a pre-existing issue with Jacobs. Either that or he takes his "authority" wayyy too seriously. Again I've seen this ref many times and don't remember seeing him react to a player like that before.

This explains the box score for Carry/Jacobs a little bit .... however there are waaaay too many MAC games ahead vs. far better teams for one of these guys to have issues w/the refs, much less both of them.

Need to get a handle on it, for sure. Also need to get that interior defense in order. Hornbeack needs to be much more assertive ...

To be clear, I didn't observe them doing anything disrespectful towards the refs tonight. There was the one instance with Jacobs I mentioned above where he seemed to think he was being misunderstood. He did look incredulous after some calls, but that's pretty normal. Carry on the other hand limited his responses to shaking his head and avoiding eye contact. He seemed very tame towards the refs tonight.

As for Hornbeak, he needs to get better at not picking up sloppy fouls. He couldn't stay on the floor tonight and the calls on him seemed legit.
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Carry is going to have to come to grips with his demons soon. He had a bad game, probably because of the foul situation. Fortunately the others stepped up to support him.
I did notice that Carry did a good job finding the open man when he was doubled.
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