(01-02-2023 04:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  St. John's, Iona, St. Mary's, Canisius, Fairfield, Siena. Possibly others.

I'm not saying it happened right away, but it was within decade or so after being forced to move to D1.

They were not cut because they were forced up; more to the point, the MAAC conference sent the word out to the member schools that the conference would no longer prioritize football. These teams were becoming increasingly noncompetitive and by saw no place else to be competitive outside their conference.

(01-02-2023 08:56 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 04:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  St. John's, Iona, St. Mary's, Canisius, Fairfield, Siena. Possibly others.

I'm not saying it happened right away, but it was within decade or so after being forced to move to D1.

They were not cut because they were forced up; more to the point, the MAAC conference sent the word out to the member schools that the conference would no longer prioritize football. These teams were becoming increasingly noncompetitive and by saw no place else to be competitive outside their conference.

I suppose I don’t see why the conference would have anything to do with their programs being viable. It seems like more than a coincidence that they dropped after having to move to D1. But I’ll defer to you.

(01-02-2023 10:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  I suppose I don’t see why the conference would have anything to do with their programs being viable. It seems like more than a coincidence that they dropped after having to move to D1. But I’ll defer to you.

The MAAC leadership just didn't want their schools to invest in football anymore and the schools were sufficiently weak that the budget increase to move to another conference wasn't sustainable for them.

Eight schools dropped I-AA football between 2002 and 2007. Seven of them (Siena, Canisius, St. John's, LaSalle, Fairfield, Iona and St. Peter's) all one thing in common: they all belonged to the MAAC Football League. But they moved up in 1993, so this was some distance removed from then.

Those saying the non-schollie schools will drop do not understand the economics of Pioneer League Football.

The whole point is having a program that attracts 100+ males to campus, all using a variety of grants, loans and academic scholarships to be there.

A cousin of mine (son of a second cousin) two weeks ago signed a LOI to play football at San Diego. He is from the Chicago area. Without football, USD wouldn't have gotten a look from him. The amount of tuition paid by the football team goes a long ways to offsetting any costs of the team, even with 4 or 5 cross-country trips a year (BTW - USD looks at those trips as a BENEFIT, since it gets them into the Midwest. My cousins will have two or three drivable away games to go watch him play every year.

Bucknell seems to be an interesting case study imo; Administrative constraints, terrible support/location (relative to PSU), lack of success over the last 40-50 years, lack of football alumni relations, etc.

The only thing keeping Bison football going at this point is the institution's Patriot League membership and their desire to very much remain a "like-minded" institution.

FCS teams dropping entirely is dumb when D2 or D3 are options.

(01-04-2023 12:30 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  FCS teams dropping entirely is dumb when D2 or D3 are options.

D2 and D3 aren't options if you want to keep D1 basketball, which pretty much all the mentioned schools absolutely want to.

(01-02-2023 03:54 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  Cal Poly just announced at our game against them this year the new John Madden Football Complex with funds coming from his estate. They are definitely NOT dropping football. https://gopoly.com/news/2022/10/1/cal-po...enter.aspx

I thought you'd know by now people from places like Connecticut, West Virginia, Tennessee and Arkansas have keen insight into what is going on beyond the Rockies. We merely live here and know the actors and winds. But those east coast guys have palantírs.

(01-02-2023 05:02 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  It will happen.

The last school to drop football was Whittier College in California in November. FYI, President Nixon played football at the Division 3 school.

The last Division 1 school to drop football was Jacksonville in 2019.

With the exception of Jacksonville and Omaha, every Division 1 school that has dropped football since 2000 has either been in California or one of the northeastern states. Most have been private schools.

Division 1 FCS programs that could drop:

Cal Poly- their Olympic sports (Big West) play in a different league than football (Big Sky). A lot of California programs have dropped football, and they have not been good recently. California politics are not particularly friendly to football.

Stetson- play in the non-scholarship Pioneer. Regularly play in front of crowds of less than 2,000 people. Seem like a potential repeat of Jacksonville to me.

Marist- don't generally have great crowds, in an area that has zero interest in college football (Hudson River area, NY), and fits the profile of programs who drop the sport (FCS private in northeast).

San Diego- traditionally are good in the Pioneer but have little following, have to travel across the country for all of their games, and it is a private basketball school.

Presbyterian- their highest attendance last year was 1,626 fans, they have not been good, and the school itself would be one of my betting favorites to drop out of Division 1 completely.

Duquesne- struggle to get 1,500 people to a game, Pitt is in town, and their Olympic sports (A-10) are not tied to football (NEC).

Georgetown- I bet some donors have been fighting it but it will happen eventually as there is minimal interest in the program, and it is a basketball school.

The entirety of the NEC- I already mentioned Duquesne but most of these schools are private, small, on the lower end budget-wise, and have little to no following. Sacred Heart and CCSU seem like the two most likely to keep football of the group.

Robert Morris- their Olympic sports play in the Horizon so dropping the sport would not jeopardize their conference affiliation. Located in the Pitt metro which is bad news for fan-ship (<3,000 game).

Portland State- Matt Brown mentioned they were considering it back in January.

CP- duly noted. Hopefully, they'll be able to keep their program.

Stetson- I don't know. Looking at it through the eyes of NIL & pay-for-play, I will say that it doesn't look good, but then again, maybe I am wrong, and would love to be wrong. A possible plus: Stetson is near a major metro area. Therefore, I will just stick with I don't know, which is the truth.

Marist- see Stetson. Somehow, Marist has made things work. Can they continue to do so? Who knows??

San Diego- they've done well for this long; I don't see why they can't keep doing what they are doing.

Presbyterian- similar to Stetson, but with one big difference: they aren't near a major metro, to my knowledge. That will hurt with NIL and pay for play, IMO.

Georgetown- see San Diego

Duquesne- see Georgetown

Robert Morris- see Marist

Portland State- needs a new stadium desperately!!! Other than that, Portland State looks fine.

NEC- nothing to see here.

One that concerns me is not on this list, and I find it odd that Shizzle didn't list them: Samford University.

Well Samford got to the quarterfinals this year before losing at NDSU. Their only other loss this season was to Georgia.

(01-04-2023 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 05:02 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  It will happen.

The last school to drop football was Whittier College in California in November. FYI, President Nixon played football at the Division 3 school.

The last Division 1 school to drop football was Jacksonville in 2019.

With the exception of Jacksonville and Omaha, every Division 1 school that has dropped football since 2000 has either been in California or one of the northeastern states. Most have been private schools.

Division 1 FCS programs that could drop:

Cal Poly- their Olympic sports (Big West) play in a different league than football (Big Sky). A lot of California programs have dropped football, and they have not been good recently. California politics are not particularly friendly to football.

Stetson- play in the non-scholarship Pioneer. Regularly play in front of crowds of less than 2,000 people. Seem like a potential repeat of Jacksonville to me.

Marist- don't generally have great crowds, in an area that has zero interest in college football (Hudson River area, NY), and fits the profile of programs who drop the sport (FCS private in northeast).

San Diego- traditionally are good in the Pioneer but have little following, have to travel across the country for all of their games, and it is a private basketball school.

Presbyterian- their highest attendance last year was 1,626 fans, they have not been good, and the school itself would be one of my betting favorites to drop out of Division 1 completely.

Duquesne- struggle to get 1,500 people to a game, Pitt is in town, and their Olympic sports (A-10) are not tied to football (NEC).

Georgetown- I bet some donors have been fighting it but it will happen eventually as there is minimal interest in the program, and it is a basketball school.

The entirety of the NEC- I already mentioned Duquesne but most of these schools are private, small, on the lower end budget-wise, and have little to no following. Sacred Heart and CCSU seem like the two most likely to keep football of the group.

Robert Morris- their Olympic sports play in the Horizon so dropping the sport would not jeopardize their conference affiliation. Located in the Pitt metro which is bad news for fan-ship (<3,000 game).

Portland State- Matt Brown mentioned they were considering it back in January.

CP- duly noted. Hopefully, they'll be able to keep their program.

Stetson- I don't know. Looking at it through the eyes of NIL & pay-for-play, I will say that it doesn't look good, but then again, maybe I am wrong, and would love to be wrong. A possible plus: Stetson is near a major metro area. Therefore, I will just stick with I don't know, which is the truth.

Marist- see Stetson. Somehow, Marist has made things work. Can they continue to do so? Who knows??

San Diego- they've done well for this long; I don't see why they can't keep doing what they are doing.

Presbyterian- similar to Stetson, but with one big difference: they aren't near a major metro, to my knowledge. That will hurt with NIL and pay for play, IMO.

Georgetown- see San Diego

Duquesne- see Georgetown

Robert Morris- see Marist

Portland State- needs a new stadium desperately!!! Other than that, Portland State looks fine.

NEC- nothing to see here.

One that concerns me is not on this list, and I find it odd that Shizzle didn't list them: Samford University.

Well Samford got to the quarterfinals this year before losing at NDSU. Their only other loss this season was to Georgia.

That's good!!