WKUApollo
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-03-2023 03:52 PM)jones682 Wrote: (01-03-2023 03:07 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (01-03-2023 01:04 PM)jones682 Wrote: (01-03-2023 11:17 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (01-03-2023 09:35 AM)jones682 Wrote: What? I have been saying this for months about the SBC. These are my thoughts. I am not "stoking the flames". I wonder if somebody else had the same reply would you said the same thing.
In a thread in which people were complaining about SBC posters spending too much time on our board? Yes I absolutely would have replied the same to anyone. Your comment, especially in a thread like this, is exactly what brings them here.
Thankfully it's on the realignment board at least...
They come here regardless. They make treads on there page about C-USA just to bash C-USA.
It is undeniably worse when people bash the Sun Belt. What are you doing on their board? If you believe they're overrated don't pay them any attention here or there.
Because they talk about C-USA and Kennesaw State and they mentioned information that is not true about Kennesaw State and C-USA.
Life is just too important to waste so much time correcting people on the web. I know there are inaccurate things said about WKU and CUSA on a variety of boards and it does no good to get stirred up about it if it's on their boards. I just don't read them and thus don't get upset.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(12-31-2022 01:31 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (12-30-2022 07:27 PM)Frontierman Wrote: Sometimes I wonder why this board isn't super active and then threads like this remind me why.
This board isn't super active because CUSA is the island of misfit toys right now.
A deeply apathetic Middle Tennessee from nearly two decades of Stockstill, Western Kentucky wanting MACtion, LA Tech who finally found a home after being the east outlier in the WAC for so long only to see most of the members they were most looking forward to joining depart a decade later and FIU... well it's FIU. The incoming members will hopefully continue to find this board and bring some of their excitement with them.
You'll likely find some of our regular LU posters on here a lot more once the transfer is complete after Baseball season, or maybe even after Basketball.
Glad to be here!
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
I don't know you. I don't know anything about you other than your favorite college team. I am not a doctor. I am not a therapist. I am very much of the opinion that people can find joy through a wide range of hobbies that don't interest me and don't cause any harm.
But my unsolicited advice is that your quality of life will improve if you eliminate (or at least reduce) the time spent on anything remotely resembling a Sun Belt conference message board of any kind. I am quite confident of this.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
Yeah? Well UGA, Tennessee and UNC are CUSA targets. How about that?!
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 09:59 AM)inutech Wrote: (01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
I don't know you. I don't know anything about you other than your favorite college team. I am not a doctor. I am not a therapist. I am very much of the opinion that people can find joy through a wide range of hobbies that don't interest me and don't cause any harm.
But my unsolicited advice is that your quality of life will improve if you eliminate (or at least reduce) the time spent on anything remotely resembling a Sun Belt conference message board of any kind. I am quite confident of this.
Need a good laugh every now and then.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
Harder to grasp than your ability to read and comprehend I assume..
The question was:
Haven’t seen this discussed much, but college football is weird these days, ACC/Big12/PAC12 could all be looking at trying to cannibalize each other. My question is if there were a situation where lower level power 5 schools were asked to leave a conference or if schools were left behind in significant realignment (some examples being Wake Forest, Georgia Tech or Vanderbilt)
A: Would you want them in the Sun Belt
B: How do you make the Sun Belt a more attractive option than the AAC
Personally I think a Wake Forest, ECU, Vanderbilt and Memphis add would be as good as it gets. Then again how far does Vandy and Wake Forest drop off when they’re not reaping the benefits of being in a big conference.
Hardly saying that the Sun Belt is targeting these schools...
Your obsession with the Sun Belt and it's teams is duly noted..
Other CUSA posters, sorry I disrupted your guys' thread to point out the foolishness of this poster.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
You may want to re-read that thread. LOL. You're pot-stirring with this post.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 02:05 PM)gdunn Wrote: (01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
Harder to grasp than your ability to read and comprehend I assume..
The question was:
Haven’t seen this discussed much, but college football is weird these days, ACC/Big12/PAC12 could all be looking at trying to cannibalize each other. My question is if there were a situation where lower level power 5 schools were asked to leave a conference or if schools were left behind in significant realignment (some examples being Wake Forest, Georgia Tech or Vanderbilt)
A: Would you want them in the Sun Belt
B: How do you make the Sun Belt a more attractive option than the AAC
Personally I think a Wake Forest, ECU, Vanderbilt and Memphis add would be as good as it gets. Then again how far does Vandy and Wake Forest drop off when they’re not reaping the benefits of being in a big conference.
Hardly saying that the Sun Belt is targeting these schools...
Your obsession with the Sun Belt and it's teams is duly noted..
Other CUSA posters, sorry I disrupted your guys' thread to point out the foolishness of this poster.
No more foolish than suggesting P5 members would be asked to leave or left behind.
If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 02:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (01-11-2023 02:05 PM)gdunn Wrote: (01-11-2023 08:02 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Chatter on the SBC board Ga Tech, Vandy and Wake Forest are SBC targets. Hard to grasp words to explain.
Harder to grasp than your ability to read and comprehend I assume..
The question was:
Haven’t seen this discussed much, but college football is weird these days, ACC/Big12/PAC12 could all be looking at trying to cannibalize each other. My question is if there were a situation where lower level power 5 schools were asked to leave a conference or if schools were left behind in significant realignment (some examples being Wake Forest, Georgia Tech or Vanderbilt)
A: Would you want them in the Sun Belt
B: How do you make the Sun Belt a more attractive option than the AAC
Personally I think a Wake Forest, ECU, Vanderbilt and Memphis add would be as good as it gets. Then again how far does Vandy and Wake Forest drop off when they’re not reaping the benefits of being in a big conference.
Hardly saying that the Sun Belt is targeting these schools...
Your obsession with the Sun Belt and it's teams is duly noted..
Other CUSA posters, sorry I disrupted your guys' thread to point out the foolishness of this poster.
No more foolish than suggesting P5 members would be asked to leave or left behind.
If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
Oh I agree. I said as much. Vandy won't be asked to leave because they help bring academics excellence to the $EC nor will they willingly leave because well $$.. Same with Wake and GA Tech.. It was message board fodder that was blown out of proportions. Again sorry I'm invading your board Kapp..
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(12-30-2022 12:11 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote: Thought I would share a little nugget of info.....hearing some chatter that CUSA, the WAC and ASUN have been in talks about possibly coming together in a merger to create the first college sports "super-conference".
I cant imagine it's likely to happen but doing so might assure that CUSA has more long-term security. If done correctly, it could actually cut back on some travel in the league.
Will be interesting to see what develops between now and early summer.
is this the poster that previously has always talked about "nuggets" they hear and they are always negative about CUSA? I call bull also.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 03:28 PM)eku05 Wrote: Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
I agree with the bolded part. I don't think any full member of a D1 conference has ever been kicked out. If conference bylaws changed and someone didn't meet the new rules, I could see that happening but there's little chance that's going to happen. The only examples of full members being booted were NMSU and Idaho being booted from the SBc but even then, that was a temporary membership anyway so technically they weren't booted.
Most of the time, instead of kicking someone out, several just move to another conference and leave the less desirables behind.
Media deals, conference bylaws, etc make kicking someone out almost impossible.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 03:28 PM)eku05 Wrote: Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
I wasn't speaking of Utah or Louisville; UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, BYU on the other hand...
At any rate, it will largely depend on who is pulling the strings. You won't see the SEC/ACC pull the rug out from under the likes of Vandy/Wake.
In a complete teardown of the existing system including conferences in a single en masse breakaway controlled by media partner and/or a new governing body other the NCAA, all bets are off.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 04:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: (01-11-2023 03:28 PM)eku05 Wrote: Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
I agree with the bolded part. I don't think any full member of a D1 conference has ever been kicked out. If conference bylaws changed and someone didn't meet the new rules, I could see that happening but there's little chance that's going to happen. The only examples of full members being booted were NMSU and Idaho being booted from the SBc but even then, that was a temporary membership anyway so technically they weren't booted.
Most of the time, instead of kicking someone out, several just move to another conference and leave the less desirables behind.
Media deals, conference bylaws, etc make kicking someone out almost impossible.
Idaho and NMSU were temporarily football only members. Not temporary full members. Honestly I wouldn't have minded NMSU being invited fully for their basketball back then instead of Coastal but there's a reason I dont get paid to make those decisions
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 08:18 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote: (01-11-2023 04:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: (01-11-2023 03:28 PM)eku05 Wrote: Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
I agree with the bolded part. I don't think any full member of a D1 conference has ever been kicked out. If conference bylaws changed and someone didn't meet the new rules, I could see that happening but there's little chance that's going to happen. The only examples of full members being booted were NMSU and Idaho being booted from the SBc but even then, that was a temporary membership anyway so technically they weren't booted.
Most of the time, instead of kicking someone out, several just move to another conference and leave the less desirables behind.
Media deals, conference bylaws, etc make kicking someone out almost impossible.
Idaho and NMSU were temporarily football only members. Not temporary full members. Honestly I wouldn't have minded NMSU being invited fully for their basketball back then instead of Coastal but there's a reason I dont get paid to make those decisions
Thanks. Couldn't remember if they had joined as full or affiliate.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-11-2023 04:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: (01-11-2023 03:28 PM)eku05 Wrote: Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
I agree with the bolded part. I don't think any full member of a D1 conference has ever been kicked out. If conference bylaws changed and someone didn't meet the new rules, I could see that happening but there's little chance that's going to happen. The only examples of full members being booted were NMSU and Idaho being booted from the SBc but even then, that was a temporary membership anyway so technically they weren't booted.
Most of the time, instead of kicking someone out, several just move to another conference and leave the less desirables behind.
Media deals, conference bylaws, etc make kicking someone out almost impossible.
NMSU was kicked out of the Sunbelt. I think Idaho was as well. Temple was kicked out of the Big East and then landed in the MAC. Not sure if Tulane left on its own or was kicked out of the SEC but there have been schools that have been kicked out of conferences. Montana was in the PAC (or whatever it was called) way back when, again not sure if they were kicked out or left on their own.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
(01-17-2023 03:10 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote: (01-11-2023 04:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: (01-11-2023 03:28 PM)eku05 Wrote: Quote:If there is any sort of culling it will be the ones last through the door, the last few G5s to jump to P5.
I don't think there will be any at all, but I disagree with this statement at face value. Seniority will not matter here. Value to media partners will matter here.
Does anyone think a Wake gets to stay before a Louisville because "they've been around longer."
Does Oregon State get grandfathered in while Utah is booted? I doubt it.
(Again, I don't think anyone is actively getting kicked out of a conference.)
I agree with the bolded part. I don't think any full member of a D1 conference has ever been kicked out. If conference bylaws changed and someone didn't meet the new rules, I could see that happening but there's little chance that's going to happen. The only examples of full members being booted were NMSU and Idaho being booted from the SBc but even then, that was a temporary membership anyway so technically they weren't booted.
Most of the time, instead of kicking someone out, several just move to another conference and leave the less desirables behind.
Media deals, conference bylaws, etc make kicking someone out almost impossible.
NMSU was kicked out of the Sunbelt. I think Idaho was as well. Temple was kicked out of the Big East and then landed in the MAC. Not sure if Tulane left on its own or was kicked out of the SEC but there have been schools that have been kicked out of conferences. Montana was in the PAC (or whatever it was called) way back when, again not sure if they were kicked out or left on their own.
As stated above, they were temporary football only members, not full members. They weren't kicked out, the agreement ran out and was not renewed because the SBC no longer needed 12 members to have a championship game.
Tulane and Sewanee left the SEC willingly because they weren't competitive and Ga Tech left because of Alabama.
Idaho and Montana were in the PCC but got left out when the rest of the PCC schools formed the PAC.
Temple was a legit full member of the Big East that got kicked out though.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
Quote:Temple was a legit full member of the Big East that got kicked out though.
The sequence of events is complicated, so I could be wrong, but I'm not sure that's true. Temple did eventually join as a full member, but I think at the time they got kicked out they were associate members and had the remainder of their sports in the A10. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
St. Thomas did legitimately get kicked out of their D3 conference essentially for being too dominant and, as their conference mates saw it, impossible to compete with. That prompted their unprecedented waiver to move directly from D3 to D1 which they are currently doing with with membership in the Summit League and the Pioneer Football League.
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RE: Hearing some chatter.....
You're correct, they were football only members back then. I didn't read carefully enough.[/align]
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