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RE: 2022/23 men’s basketball non-conference attendance.
(12-28-2022 12:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 07:18 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 01:17 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(12-27-2022 11:26 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(12-27-2022 08:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  It has nothing to do with being a better program, but if a team that plays in a 1,000 seat arena can only draw 1,000, someone like UVU and UTA who have 6x the students and 8x larger arenas, have low engagement with their students. UTA has more than 40,000 students and isn’t getting 2,000 a game. While Seattle U gets less people there, limited by their much smaller student population and arena size.

Even NMSU has “problems”, as they almost go to the NCAAs on a yearly basis but can’t get 50% of their arena full for most games.

There was a time when NMSU could draw 8-10K per game, but those time have changed. Even though 5K is a far cry from 8-10K, NMSU still draws well by mid-major standards. However, trying to correlate game attendance to school size is a bit of a misnomer. Schools only allocate a certain number of seats to the student body for each game. The rest of the seats are sold to season ticket holders and the general public. For the most part, NMSU has fairly healthy student participation, but it could be still better. In GCU's case, they fill half their arena with students. However, GCU's fans don't travel well unless the seats are cheap or free. Otherwise, they would have drawn more than 4,781 fans to their game against North Texas in the Footprint Center (home of the Phoenix Suns)... and they would be filling the Orleans Arena in Las Vegas during post season. So, although impressive, GCU's 7k attendance is created mostly by the student body that has already paid for their seats in tuition before they ever step in the arena. That is a not business model that many mid-major universities can afford... if they want to generate revenue. But admittedly GCU game attendance does look impressive on TV and for recruiting purposes.

Good point on the enrollment/attendance and the principle of correlation does not equal causation.

Until schools are losing money giving the seats to the students, seems like a good way to generate interest and create a better atmosphere.

During NMSU's heyday in attendance, some of the best seats were given to the student body. As ticket prices have increased to generate more revenue the student body has been moved to less desirable seat to sell their center court seats to the season ticketholders and the general public. Right now, NMSU probably making more money on a seat-by-seat basis, but the attendance has suffered.

GCU's Havoc has center court seating. There are not many schools who can give those high value seats away to non-paying students. As I said, it looks good on TV but it's not a good business model if a school is trying to make money for each home game. Most of the game attendance needs to pay money at the door... which makes me wonder how Seattle makes money from basketball? Obviously, game attendance is not a big deal.

For NMSU, paid attendance matters greatly for Aggie Athletics. That is why NMSU is leaving the WAC for C-USA. Football drives the bus for All FBS programs. And there is a lot more money to be made in football than what basketball can generate.

Unless they get a huge gift that pays for most of a $50 million (minimum) arena, it may not pay for itself in its lifetime. There’s no state money building Seattle U an arena. It would be a struggle to build an on campus arena with adequate parking in a city. They can’t just buy the open 100 acres next to campus and pave the whole thing for a parking lot and new gym.

I have no doubt they have something semi planned if the money were there, but with Climate Pledge available, I don’t see much hindrance.

Seattle U when using Key Arena before it was torn to the "studs" and the floor of the arena droped 40 or 60 feet weren't paying rent. OVG who owns/runs Climate Pledge Arena made mention they will have to pay for their time in the $950 million dollar remodeled venue. OVG isn't looking to soak SU for using the building but SU has slim pickings for usage dates with everything going on there now.
12-29-2022 09:28 AM
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RE: 2022/23 men’s basketball non-conference attendance.
(12-29-2022 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 12:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 07:18 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 01:17 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(12-27-2022 11:26 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  There was a time when NMSU could draw 8-10K per game, but those time have changed. Even though 5K is a far cry from 8-10K, NMSU still draws well by mid-major standards. However, trying to correlate game attendance to school size is a bit of a misnomer. Schools only allocate a certain number of seats to the student body for each game. The rest of the seats are sold to season ticket holders and the general public. For the most part, NMSU has fairly healthy student participation, but it could be still better. In GCU's case, they fill half their arena with students. However, GCU's fans don't travel well unless the seats are cheap or free. Otherwise, they would have drawn more than 4,781 fans to their game against North Texas in the Footprint Center (home of the Phoenix Suns)... and they would be filling the Orleans Arena in Las Vegas during post season. So, although impressive, GCU's 7k attendance is created mostly by the student body that has already paid for their seats in tuition before they ever step in the arena. That is a not business model that many mid-major universities can afford... if they want to generate revenue. But admittedly GCU game attendance does look impressive on TV and for recruiting purposes.

Good point on the enrollment/attendance and the principle of correlation does not equal causation.

Until schools are losing money giving the seats to the students, seems like a good way to generate interest and create a better atmosphere.

During NMSU's heyday in attendance, some of the best seats were given to the student body. As ticket prices have increased to generate more revenue the student body has been moved to less desirable seat to sell their center court seats to the season ticketholders and the general public. Right now, NMSU probably making more money on a seat-by-seat basis, but the attendance has suffered.

GCU's Havoc has center court seating. There are not many schools who can give those high value seats away to non-paying students. As I said, it looks good on TV but it's not a good business model if a school is trying to make money for each home game. Most of the game attendance needs to pay money at the door... which makes me wonder how Seattle makes money from basketball? Obviously, game attendance is not a big deal.

For NMSU, paid attendance matters greatly for Aggie Athletics. That is why NMSU is leaving the WAC for C-USA. Football drives the bus for All FBS programs. And there is a lot more money to be made in football than what basketball can generate.

Unless they get a huge gift that pays for most of a $50 million (minimum) arena, it may not pay for itself in its lifetime. There’s no state money building Seattle U an arena. It would be a struggle to build an on campus arena with adequate parking in a city. They can’t just buy the open 100 acres next to campus and pave the whole thing for a parking lot and new gym.

I have no doubt they have something semi planned if the money were there, but with Climate Pledge available, I don’t see much hindrance.

Seattle U when using Key Arena before it was torn to the "studs" and the floor of the arena droped 40 or 60 feet weren't paying rent. OVG who owns/runs Climate Pledge Arena made mention they will have to pay for their time in the $950 million dollar remodeled venue. OVG isn't looking to soak SU for using the building but SU has slim pickings for usage dates with everything going on there now.

I dont think the broadcasting of games makes any difference in our case because our games are usually on a station most folks cant even receive.
12-29-2022 08:54 PM
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RE: 2022/23 men’s basketball non-conference attendance.
You also have to take into account that basketball season started around finals and most of the home games were against DII or lesser schools that no one cared about. After mid December, most students had already gone home for the break so crowds were naturally diminished. Once the Spring Semester starts the numbers will improve for everyone. Plus conference play will be in full swing and that will also improve the numbers.
01-02-2023 03:17 AM
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RE: 2022/23 men’s basketball non-conference attendance.
Exactly. The students were pretty much at home for the holidays. That extra loud section behind the basket, normally mostly packed by students with signs, was empty for the ACU/Tarleton game. It was not as bad as some of the football bowl games you have not heard of. Some of those looked like parents did not even attend.
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