2022-23 WAC MBB Week #8

A-10….. 2-0
AAC….. 0-4
ACC….. 1-1
ASun….. 1-0
Big 10….. 0-1
Big 12….. 1-8
Big Sky….. 15-2
Big South….. 1-0
Big West….. 9-4
C-USA….. 2-4
Colonial….. 1-1
Horizon….. 1-1
MAAC….. 0-2
MAC….. 2-1
MEAC….. 0-1
Missouri Valley….. 2-2
Mountain West….. 1-10
Ohio Valley….. 1-0
PAC-12….. 4-6
SEC…... 0-1
Southern….. 2-1
Southland….. 4-2
Summit….. 4-2
Sun Belt….. 2-2
SWAC….. 5-1
WCC….. 6-3
Division 1….. 67-60
Non-Division 1….. 36-0

Start of WAC play!

Dec. 28th – Wednesday

New Mexico State (7-5) vs. Southern Utah (8-5)

Dec. 29th – Thursday

Stephen F. Austin (8-5) vs. Abilene Christian (8-5)
Tarleton State (6-6) vs. UT Arlington (5-8)
Utah Valley (9-4) vs. Sam Houston State (10-2)
Grand Canyon (9-4) vs. California Baptist (8-5)
Utah Tech (8-5) vs. UT Rio Grande Valley (8-4)

Dec. 31st – Saturday

UT Arlington vs. Stephen F. Austin
Southern Utah vs. UT Rio Grande Valley
Utah Valley vs. Utah Tech
New Mexico State vs. Sam Houston State
Seattle U. (9-4) vs. California Baptist

Jan. 1st – Sunday… HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

ACU vs SFA will be a tough game, especially in Nac...

I'm looking for the NMSU/SUU match to be a high scoring affair. SUU likes to play fast and NMSU's defense is erratic at best.

And, right off the bat, the two hottest teams (Sam Houston and Utah Valley) meet in Orem, UT... That's should set the tone for the conference race.

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

(12-26-2022 11:21 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

Since the 2012-13 season, Aggie losses to current WAC members…

Dec. 29th, 2012... NMSU (Menzies) @ UT Arlington… 68-47
Feb. 27th, 2014... NMSU (Menzies) @ Utah Valley… 66-61 OT
Jan. 17th, 2015... NMSU (Menzies) @ Seattle U… 58-52
Jan. 9th, 2016... NMSU (Menzies) @ Grand Canyon… 79-75
Feb. 17th, 2017... NMSU (Weir) @ Grand Canyon… 83-71
Feb. 23rd, 2017... NMSU (Weir) vs. Utah Valley… 84-72
Feb. 15th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 86-79
Feb. 17th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-63 OT
Jan. 3rd, 2019... NMSU (Jans) @ California Baptist… 82-76
Jan. 29th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 70-62
Jan. 30th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 65-53
Feb. 5th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. California Baptist (@ El Paso, TX)… 85-75
Feb. 12th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-72
Feb. 19th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Utah Valley (@ El Paso, TX)… 69-66
Feb. 27th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Tarleton State… 64-55
Mar. 13th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Grand Canyon (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 74-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Jan. 20th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Sam Houston State… 71-46
Feb. 12th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 72-68
Mar. 2nd, 2022... NMSU (Jans) vs. Stephen F. Austin… 73-71

This season is the last chance to beat NMSU as a WAC member.

(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:21 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

Since the 2012-13 season, Aggie losses to current WAC members…

Dec. 29th, 2012... NMSU (Menzies) @ UT Arlington… 68-47
Feb. 27th, 2014... NMSU (Menzies) @ Utah Valley… 66-61 OT
Jan. 17th, 2015... NMSU (Menzies) @ Seattle U… 58-52
Jan. 9th, 2016... NMSU (Menzies) @ Grand Canyon… 79-75
Feb. 17th, 2017... NMSU (Weir) @ Grand Canyon… 83-71
Feb. 23rd, 2017... NMSU (Weir) vs. Utah Valley… 84-72
Feb. 15th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 86-79
Feb. 17th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-63 OT
Jan. 3rd, 2019... NMSU (Jans) @ California Baptist… 82-76
Jan. 29th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 70-62
Jan. 30th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 65-53
Feb. 5th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. California Baptist (@ El Paso, TX)… 85-75
Feb. 12th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-72
Feb. 19th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Utah Valley (@ El Paso, TX)… 69-66
Feb. 27th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Tarleton State… 64-55
Mar. 13th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Grand Canyon (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 74-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Jan. 20th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Sam Houston State… 71-46
Feb. 12th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 72-68
Mar. 2nd, 2022... NMSU (Jans) vs. Stephen F. Austin… 73-71

This season is the last chance to beat NMSU as a WAC member.

Not counting the newbies, I believe every WAC team beat NMSU at least once. Even Chicago State and UMKC did it. Except, of course, UTPA/UTRGV. 0-16.

(12-26-2022 02:10 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:21 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

Since the 2012-13 season, Aggie losses to current WAC members…

Dec. 29th, 2012... NMSU (Menzies) @ UT Arlington… 68-47
Feb. 27th, 2014... NMSU (Menzies) @ Utah Valley… 66-61 OT
Jan. 17th, 2015... NMSU (Menzies) @ Seattle U… 58-52
Jan. 9th, 2016... NMSU (Menzies) @ Grand Canyon… 79-75
Feb. 17th, 2017... NMSU (Weir) @ Grand Canyon… 83-71
Feb. 23rd, 2017... NMSU (Weir) vs. Utah Valley… 84-72
Feb. 15th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 86-79
Feb. 17th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-63 OT
Jan. 3rd, 2019... NMSU (Jans) @ California Baptist… 82-76
Jan. 29th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 70-62
Jan. 30th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 65-53
Feb. 5th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. California Baptist (@ El Paso, TX)… 85-75
Feb. 12th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-72
Feb. 19th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Utah Valley (@ El Paso, TX)… 69-66
Feb. 27th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Tarleton State… 64-55
Mar. 13th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Grand Canyon (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 74-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Jan. 20th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Sam Houston State… 71-46
Feb. 12th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 72-68
Mar. 2nd, 2022... NMSU (Jans) vs. Stephen F. Austin… 73-71

This season is the last chance to beat NMSU as a WAC member.

Not counting the newbies, I believe every WAC team beat NMSU at least once. Even Chicago State and UMKC did it. Except, of course, UTPA/UTRGV. 0-16.

I know Chicago State did multiple times, but I’m not sure how many the Roos took.

(12-26-2022 02:10 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:21 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

Since the 2012-13 season, Aggie losses to current WAC members…

Dec. 29th, 2012... NMSU (Menzies) @ UT Arlington… 68-47
Feb. 27th, 2014... NMSU (Menzies) @ Utah Valley… 66-61 OT
Jan. 17th, 2015... NMSU (Menzies) @ Seattle U… 58-52
Jan. 9th, 2016... NMSU (Menzies) @ Grand Canyon… 79-75
Feb. 17th, 2017... NMSU (Weir) @ Grand Canyon… 83-71
Feb. 23rd, 2017... NMSU (Weir) vs. Utah Valley… 84-72
Feb. 15th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 86-79
Feb. 17th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-63 OT
Jan. 3rd, 2019... NMSU (Jans) @ California Baptist… 82-76
Jan. 29th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 70-62
Jan. 30th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 65-53
Feb. 5th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. California Baptist (@ El Paso, TX)… 85-75
Feb. 12th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-72
Feb. 19th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Utah Valley (@ El Paso, TX)… 69-66
Feb. 27th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Tarleton State… 64-55
Mar. 13th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Grand Canyon (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 74-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Jan. 20th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Sam Houston State… 71-46
Feb. 12th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 72-68
Mar. 2nd, 2022... NMSU (Jans) vs. Stephen F. Austin… 73-71

This season is the last chance to beat NMSU as a WAC member.

Not counting the newbies, I believe every WAC team beat NMSU at least once. Even Chicago State and UMKC did it. Except, of course, UTPA/UTRGV. 0-16.

I know Chicago State did multiple times, but I’m not sure how many the Roos took.

(12-26-2022 02:10 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:21 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

Since the 2012-13 season, Aggie losses to current WAC members…

Dec. 29th, 2012... NMSU (Menzies) @ UT Arlington… 68-47
Feb. 27th, 2014... NMSU (Menzies) @ Utah Valley… 66-61 OT
Jan. 17th, 2015... NMSU (Menzies) @ Seattle U… 58-52
Jan. 9th, 2016... NMSU (Menzies) @ Grand Canyon… 79-75
Feb. 17th, 2017... NMSU (Weir) @ Grand Canyon… 83-71
Feb. 23rd, 2017... NMSU (Weir) vs. Utah Valley… 84-72
Feb. 15th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 86-79
Feb. 17th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-63 OT
Jan. 3rd, 2019... NMSU (Jans) @ California Baptist… 82-76
Jan. 29th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 70-62
Jan. 30th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 65-53
Feb. 5th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. California Baptist (@ El Paso, TX)… 85-75
Feb. 12th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-72
Feb. 19th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Utah Valley (@ El Paso, TX)… 69-66
Feb. 27th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Tarleton State… 64-55
Mar. 13th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Grand Canyon (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 74-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Jan. 20th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Sam Houston State… 71-46
Feb. 12th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 72-68
Mar. 2nd, 2022... NMSU (Jans) vs. Stephen F. Austin… 73-71

This season is the last chance to beat NMSU as a WAC member.

Not counting the newbies, I believe every WAC team beat NMSU at least once. Even Chicago State and UMKC did it. Except, of course, UTPA/UTRGV. 0-16.

We beat NMSU early in WAC play in 2012/13. They beat us in return at their place and again in the Conference tournament final.

(12-26-2022 06:32 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:10 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:21 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 08:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The battle for a WAC tournament berth between us, ACU and UTRGV begins...

If they are letting in 10 teams all three of us could be out.

However, it is important to prioritize. Being out of the tournament is acceptable if we beat NMSU.

Since the 2012-13 season, Aggie losses to current WAC members…

Dec. 29th, 2012... NMSU (Menzies) @ UT Arlington… 68-47
Feb. 27th, 2014... NMSU (Menzies) @ Utah Valley… 66-61 OT
Jan. 17th, 2015... NMSU (Menzies) @ Seattle U… 58-52
Jan. 9th, 2016... NMSU (Menzies) @ Grand Canyon… 79-75
Feb. 17th, 2017... NMSU (Weir) @ Grand Canyon… 83-71
Feb. 23rd, 2017... NMSU (Weir) vs. Utah Valley… 84-72
Feb. 15th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 86-79
Feb. 17th, 2018... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-63 OT
Jan. 3rd, 2019... NMSU (Jans) @ California Baptist… 82-76
Jan. 29th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 70-62
Jan. 30th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Grand Canyon… 65-53
Feb. 5th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. California Baptist (@ El Paso, TX)… 85-75
Feb. 12th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Seattle U… 73-72
Feb. 19th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Utah Valley (@ El Paso, TX)… 69-66
Feb. 27th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) @ Tarleton State… 64-55
Mar. 13th, 2021... NMSU (Jans) vs. Grand Canyon (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 74-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Jan. 20th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Sam Houston State… 71-46
Feb. 12th, 2022... NMSU (Jans) @ Utah Valley… 72-68
Mar. 2nd, 2022... NMSU (Jans) vs. Stephen F. Austin… 73-71

This season is the last chance to beat NMSU as a WAC member.

Not counting the newbies, I believe every WAC team beat NMSU at least once. Even Chicago State and UMKC did it. Except, of course, UTPA/UTRGV. 0-16.

I know Chicago State did multiple times, but I’m not sure how many the Roos took.

I left out the losses to UMKC, Chicago State, and Cal State Bakersfield since they are no longer in the WAC. However, in total, NMSU has lost 70 conference games to its peers over 17 years and that includes post season games. It might seem like a lot, but keep in mind, NMSU has also won 234 conference games over that same span.

I think a little over 4 losses per year in conference for a 17 year average is fine. Probably near the best average of any team in the country during the same time period. The WAC was not exactly stacked during many of the years.

(12-26-2022 07:54 PM)Todor Wrote:  I think a little over 4 losses per year in conference for a 17 year average is fine. Probably near the best average of any team in the country during the same time period. The WAC was not exactly stacked during many of the years.

42 of the 70 conference loses happened before 2013. Yet, NMSU still managed to win three WAC Tournament Championships in seven years. Since 2013, only 28 loses and Seven WAC Tournament Championships. Could have been eight Championships if the 2020 WAC Tournament wasn't cancelled due to COVID.

Jan. 16th 2014, NMSU (Menzies) @ Chicago State… 86-81
Jan 18th 2014, NMSU (Menzies) @ UM Kansas City… 68-66
Mar. 12th 2016 NMSU (Menzies) vs. Cal State Bakersfield (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 58-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Feb. 17th 2017 NMSU (Weir) @ Cal State Bakersfield… 72-53
Feb. 26th 2022 NMSU (Jans) @ Chicago State… 61-59

(12-26-2022 08:09 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 07:54 PM)Todor Wrote:  I think a little over 4 losses per year in conference for a 17 year average is fine. Probably near the best average of any team in the country during the same time period. The WAC was not exactly stacked during many of the years.

42 of the 70 conference loses happened before 2013. Yet, NMSU still managed to win three WAC Tournament Championships in seven years. Since 2013, only 28 loses and Seven WAC Tournament Championships. Could have been eight Championships if the 2020 WAC Tournament wasn't cancelled due to COVID.

Jan. 16th 2014, NMSU (Menzies) @ Chicago State… 86-81
Jan 18th 2014, NMSU (Menzies) @ UM Kansas City… 68-66
Mar. 12th 2016 NMSU (Menzies) vs. Cal State Bakersfield (@ Las Vegas, NV)… 58-56 (WAC Tournament Championship)
Feb. 17th 2017 NMSU (Weir) @ Cal State Bakersfield… 72-53
Feb. 26th 2022 NMSU (Jans) @ Chicago State… 61-59

The truth is NMSU is the best of WAC basketball. Very sorry to see them leave

This is Sam Houston and Utah Valley's season to win. NMSU (team chemistry issues) and GCU (injuries issues) are lurking in the background ready to pounce if things fall into place. And that's not to say that another WAC team couldn't take it all if they catch fire at the right time going into March... Seattle U... Stephen F. Austin... Southern Utah.... California Baptist... etc.

Looks like SUU is serious.

SUU had 7 scholarship players and 2 walk-ons suited up for tonight’s game.

SUU 79
NMSU 75

(12-28-2022 11:49 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  SUU had 7 scholarship players and 2 walk-ons suited up for tonight’s game.

SUU 79
NMSU 75

And as long as they had all 7 it looked like they could've kept 10-12 points ahead indefinitely. Once SUU's only suited big fouled out, NMSU started a comeback and might have pulled it off with another 2-3 minutes of playing time.

I fear a rout when we visit SUU on New Year's Eve.

(12-28-2022 11:49 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  SUU had 7 scholarship players and 2 walk-ons suited up for tonight’s game.

SUU 79
NMSU 75

And it was not that close. If things don’t change soon for NMSU hoops we’re looking at a mid-level WAC finish at best. Very tough basketball to watch. And not tough in a good way.

(12-29-2022 01:03 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:49 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  SUU had 7 scholarship players and 2 walk-ons suited up for tonight’s game.

SUU 79
NMSU 75

And it was not that close. If things don’t change soon for NMSU hoops we’re looking at a mid-level WAC finish at best. Very tough basketball to watch. And not tough in a good way.

The Aggie offense was very disjointed with no flow of any kind.

It will be interesting to see if the lack of Aggie offense was due to a poor Aggie team or a very good SUU squad. We shall watch over the next few weeks as the conference schedule moves along.