https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3530...023-season

This eases the transition to streaming for other sports ventures like, hmmm, maybe the Pac?

Right now we have TNF and Sunday NFL Ticket on streaming. Tomorrow it will be the Pac on Amazon. Next? I predict that one of the big streaming services will get all or part of the CFP in 2026 or the B1G in 2030. It's fair game for any Conference to go streaming now.

I was also thinking this might help the PAC justify going all in on Amazon. I give the the NFL credit for venturing out (the money obviously helps) like they have when they could have stuck to linear. I still wonder about that option mentioned where it didn't take as much money as expected to add four teams to the B1G.

I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

(12-22-2022 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3530...023-season

This eases the transition to streaming for other sports ventures like, hmmm, maybe the Pac?

Right now we have TNF and Sunday NFL Ticket on streaming. Tomorrow it will be the Pac on Amazon. Next? I predict that one of the big streaming services will get all or part of the CFP in 2026 or the B1G in 2030. It's fair game for any Conference to go streaming now.

No, I think the CFP will stay off of streaming for awhile. The NFL is putting an NFL game on Amazon Prime once a week for $1 billion annually. The NFL Sunday Ticket has at best about two million subscribers. They are really just tipping their toes in the streaming waters for about an extra $3 billion dollars annually. There is no risk in what they are doing. No NFL Playoff games are involved.

The CFP needs to be on linear TV, either on an OTA network or on ESPN. Or both. The Pac-12 is just in a different situation with their TV contract and they can easily take the football games on the Pac-12 Network and move them to Amazon or Apple. Amazon or Apple can either buy, or lease the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Since the Pac-12 is the only power conference avalable for Amazon or Apple until 2030, everyone else gets to watch and see how well it works for the Pac-12.

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

I've noticed that as well. It is really interesting to see for sure.

My cable company also switched to providing it "wirelessly" with a receiver instead of the old form of box, which functions like a Roku or Apple TV would. I've had some slow "streaming" happen on there occasionally as well, so it's really not a big difference for me between that and Amazon.

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

They're probably waiting till they can roll out their standalone ESPN streaming service. Maybe there will be an ESPN/ESPN+/Disney+/Hulu bundle when that happens.

(12-22-2022 09:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

They're probably waiting till they can roll out their standalone ESPN streaming service. Maybe there will be an ESPN/ESPN+/Disney+/Hulu bundle when that happens.

No, they have a lot of contracts with cable providers that have guarantees that ESPN (cable) is the only way to watch Monday Night Football, NBA, NY6 bowls, college football, etc etc.

ESPN collects from every single cable subscriber. That is declining with cord cutting, but they are never ever going to be able to match that revenue from streaming.

(12-22-2022 08:13 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3530...023-season

This eases the transition to streaming for other sports ventures like, hmmm, maybe the Pac?

Right now we have TNF and Sunday NFL Ticket on streaming. Tomorrow it will be the Pac on Amazon. Next? I predict that one of the big streaming services will get all or part of the CFP in 2026 or the B1G in 2030. It's fair game for any Conference to go streaming now.

No, I think the CFP will stay off of streaming for awhile. The NFL is putting an NFL game on Amazon Prime once a week for $1 billion annually. The NFL Sunday Ticket has at best about two million subscribers. They are really just tipping their toes in the streaming waters for about an extra $3 billion dollars annually. There is no risk in what they are doing. No NFL Playoff games are involved.

The CFP needs to be on linear TV, either on an OTA network or on ESPN. Or both. The Pac-12 is just in a different situation with their TV contract and they can easily take the football games on the Pac-12 Network and move them to Amazon or Apple. Amazon or Apple can either buy, or lease the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Since the Pac-12 is the only power conference avalable for Amazon or Apple until 2030, everyone else gets to watch and see how well it works for the Pac-12.

You might be right, that's why I said the CFP or next B1G contract. If the CFP stays on linear, then the B1G will have a whole lot of data points to consider as 2030 approaches. I'll put it this way, I don't think that Amazon is going to significantly outbid a bunch of OTA networks and get shut out in 2030.

I do still think that this is only good news for the Pac. If they go with Amazon, the NFL has provided them cover. If ESPN takes the threat of Amazon seriously, it helps the Pac to get the most money they can from ESPN and stay with what is likely their top choice for a network partner.

(12-22-2022 09:37 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

They're probably waiting till they can roll out their standalone ESPN streaming service. Maybe there will be an ESPN/ESPN+/Disney+/Hulu bundle when that happens.

No, they have a lot of contracts with cable providers that have guarantees that ESPN (cable) is the only way to watch Monday Night Football, NBA, NY6 bowls, college football, etc etc.

ESPN collects from every single cable subscriber. That is declining with cord cutting, but they are never ever going to be able to match that revenue from streaming.

They might eventually exceed that revenue from streaming, but there will need to be quite a bit of consolidation first.

(12-22-2022 09:37 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

They're probably waiting till they can roll out their standalone ESPN streaming service. Maybe there will be an ESPN/ESPN+/Disney+/Hulu bundle when that happens.

No, they have a lot of contracts with cable providers that have guarantees that ESPN (cable) is the only way to watch Monday Night Football, NBA, NY6 bowls, college football, etc etc.

ESPN collects from every single cable subscriber. That is declining with cord cutting, but they are never ever going to be able to match that revenue from streaming.

Are you sure that's not just older contracts? Some MNF and some NBA games were/are being simulcast on ESPN+ so I don't believe there is a TV package only requirement anymore. For example:



They probably won't match the same revenue, but there is going to come a time where they will have to address providing an option for the sports fan that wants to watch ESPN programming without a TV package of some kind. I know it's been asked of Disney in the past with a response of no timetable for when it will happen. But there seems to be enough smoke that a DTC service will happen sooner than later.

(12-22-2022 11:36 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:37 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

They're probably waiting till they can roll out their standalone ESPN streaming service. Maybe there will be an ESPN/ESPN+/Disney+/Hulu bundle when that happens.

No, they have a lot of contracts with cable providers that have guarantees that ESPN (cable) is the only way to watch Monday Night Football, NBA, NY6 bowls, college football, etc etc.

ESPN collects from every single cable subscriber. That is declining with cord cutting, but they are never ever going to be able to match that revenue from streaming.

Are you sure that's not just older contracts?

yes. as the contracts turn over ESPN is putting in streaming clauses.

I'm not sure what is guaranteed to Charter and Comcast and the rest.

the longest ESPN contracts are the ACC and SEC.

Quote:They probably won't match the same revenue, but there is going to come a time where they will have to address providing an option for the sports fan that wants to watch ESPN programming without a TV package of some kind. I know it's been asked of Disney in the past with a response of no timetable for when it will happen. But there seems to be enough smoke that a DTC service will happen sooner than later.

(12-22-2022 10:24 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 08:13 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3530...023-season

This eases the transition to streaming for other sports ventures like, hmmm, maybe the Pac?

Right now we have TNF and Sunday NFL Ticket on streaming. Tomorrow it will be the Pac on Amazon. Next? I predict that one of the big streaming services will get all or part of the CFP in 2026 or the B1G in 2030. It's fair game for any Conference to go streaming now.

No, I think the CFP will stay off of streaming for awhile. The NFL is putting an NFL game on Amazon Prime once a week for $1 billion annually. The NFL Sunday Ticket has at best about two million subscribers. They are really just tipping their toes in the streaming waters for about an extra $3 billion dollars annually. There is no risk in what they are doing. No NFL Playoff games are involved.

The CFP needs to be on linear TV, either on an OTA network or on ESPN. Or both. The Pac-12 is just in a different situation with their TV contract and they can easily take the football games on the Pac-12 Network and move them to Amazon or Apple. Amazon or Apple can either buy, or lease the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Since the Pac-12 is the only power conference avalable for Amazon or Apple until 2030, everyone else gets to watch and see how well it works for the Pac-12.

You might be right, that's why I said the CFP or next B1G contract. If the CFP stays on linear, then the B1G will have a whole lot of data points to consider as 2030 approaches. I'll put it this way, I don't think that Amazon is going to significantly outbid a bunch of OTA networks and get shut out in 2030.

I do still think that this is only good news for the Pac. If they go with Amazon, the NFL has provided them cover. If ESPN takes the threat of Amazon seriously, it helps the Pac to get the most money they can from ESPN and stay with what is likely their top choice for a network partner.

But what the Pac ## wants (fewer 7:30 PT kickoffs) is quite different from what ESPN would want (late night windows). There would need to be an obscene amount of money involved for ESPN to get their way.

(12-22-2022 08:22 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 07:55 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm all for college football on Amazon. On my end, the picture quality of TNF on Amazon is much better than what CBS and FOX offer on Sundays.

I wish ESPN would simulcast their cable channel games on ESPN+, without the need for a TV package.

I've noticed that as well. It is really interesting to see for sure.

My cable company also switched to providing it "wirelessly" with a receiver instead of the old form of box, which functions like a Roku or Apple TV would. I've had some slow "streaming" happen on there occasionally as well, so it's really not a big difference for me between that and Amazon.

The picture quality of the TNF games on Amazon isn't an accident - Amazon is spending a TON of money on production by bringing in the NBC Sunday Night Football team to produce those games and adding additional cameras and equipment on top of it. Essentially, TNF has the sports production budget equivalent of the new Avatar movie budget.

I'm sure Amazon can do a good job on other sports, too, but it would also be unreasonable to expect that the production quality for those other sports will be the same as TNF (just as the production quality varies for all networks between their NFL games and other highest profile events versus lower profile events).

(12-22-2022 08:13 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3530...023-season

This eases the transition to streaming for other sports ventures like, hmmm, maybe the Pac?

Right now we have TNF and Sunday NFL Ticket on streaming. Tomorrow it will be the Pac on Amazon. Next? I predict that one of the big streaming services will get all or part of the CFP in 2026 or the B1G in 2030. It's fair game for any Conference to go streaming now.

No, I think the CFP will stay off of streaming for awhile. The NFL is putting an NFL game on Amazon Prime once a week for $1 billion annually. The NFL Sunday Ticket has at best about two million subscribers. They are really just tipping their toes in the streaming waters for about an extra $3 billion dollars annually. There is no risk in what they are doing. No NFL Playoff games are involved.

The CFP needs to be on linear TV, either on an OTA network or on ESPN. Or both. The Pac-12 is just in a different situation with their TV contract and they can easily take the football games on the Pac-12 Network and move them to Amazon or Apple. Amazon or Apple can either buy, or lease the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Since the Pac-12 is the only power conference avalable for Amazon or Apple until 2030, everyone else gets to watch and see how well it works for the Pac-12.

Yeah - as I've stated in the other thread on this same subject, YouTubeTV getting the Sunday Ticket package was the *least* disruptive option that the NFL could have chosen. It was determined a couple of years ago that Sunday Ticket was going to end up with a streamer (as DirecTV didn't want to even try to renew) and it was only a matter of which one it would be.

Apple getting the rights would have been a massive gamechanger because they actually wanted to put all Sunday Ticket games on its regular basic AppleTV+ subscription without an extra charge. That would have turned AppleTV+ from a "nice to have service because I like Ted Lasso and I get a trial subscription when I buy a new iPhone" to a 100% must have service for all sports fans. I pay $9.99 per month for a sports pack on Hulu just to get the Red Zone Channel during football season. If it's just $6.99 per month for *all* of Sunday Ticket (or even if they double or triple that price), that turns AppleTV+ into a must have/never cancel subscription. That would have also spurred more sports leagues to look at AppleTV+ as a broad-based mass market streamer for sports as opposed to a smaller niche service.

Alas, YouTubeTV getting Sunday Ticket will likely entail the same or similar pricing model and package as now, only it's getting delivered via streaming as opposed to satellite. I don't think this deal indicates anything one way or the other about whether pro leagues or college conferences will be more open to streaming in the future. As I've stated, it has been well-known in the marketplace for a long time that Sunday Ticket was going to streaming, and we've seen new Big Ten and Big 12 deals (among others) get signed that are largely linear deals despite that marketplace knowledge.

You will not need to subscribe to youtubeTV to get it. It will also be a prime time channel under YouTube


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(12-23-2022 08:17 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 10:24 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 08:13 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3530...023-season

This eases the transition to streaming for other sports ventures like, hmmm, maybe the Pac?

Right now we have TNF and Sunday NFL Ticket on streaming. Tomorrow it will be the Pac on Amazon. Next? I predict that one of the big streaming services will get all or part of the CFP in 2026 or the B1G in 2030. It's fair game for any Conference to go streaming now.

No, I think the CFP will stay off of streaming for awhile. The NFL is putting an NFL game on Amazon Prime once a week for $1 billion annually. The NFL Sunday Ticket has at best about two million subscribers. They are really just tipping their toes in the streaming waters for about an extra $3 billion dollars annually. There is no risk in what they are doing. No NFL Playoff games are involved.

The CFP needs to be on linear TV, either on an OTA network or on ESPN. Or both. The Pac-12 is just in a different situation with their TV contract and they can easily take the football games on the Pac-12 Network and move them to Amazon or Apple. Amazon or Apple can either buy, or lease the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Since the Pac-12 is the only power conference avalable for Amazon or Apple until 2030, everyone else gets to watch and see how well it works for the Pac-12.

You might be right, that's why I said the CFP or next B1G contract. If the CFP stays on linear, then the B1G will have a whole lot of data points to consider as 2030 approaches. I'll put it this way, I don't think that Amazon is going to significantly outbid a bunch of OTA networks and get shut out in 2030.

I do still think that this is only good news for the Pac. If they go with Amazon, the NFL has provided them cover. If ESPN takes the threat of Amazon seriously, it helps the Pac to get the most money they can from ESPN and stay with what is likely their top choice for a network partner.

But what the Pac ## wants (fewer 7:30 PT kickoffs) is quite different from what ESPN would want (late night windows). There would need to be an obscene amount of money involved for ESPN to get their way.

What's obscene? I'd say that's $1 more than what the big 12 got. Which isn't even accurate really since the big 12 gets more from the NCAAT and bowls, which will likely continue after OUT and USCLA depart...the Pac really needs to be 3-5m ahead of the big 12 media deal just to reach parity.

But, really, anything in the ballpark is good. $28m? Ok, that's not great but we'll take it. $32m but with Amazon? Streaming is cool and Amazon is in our neck of the woods. $35m? We just won the lottery! $22m? Goodbye 4c.