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Gross win.

Someone needs to tell Thomas when it's not your night from three, find another way to impact the game. You can't just keep trying to shoot yourself out of it all night.
12-22-2022 11:42 PM
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(12-22-2022 11:42 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Gross win.

Someone needs to tell Thomas when it's not your night from three, find another way to impact the game. You can't just keep trying to shoot yourself out of it all night.

Or at least follow your shot, because I think he could have gotten a rebound or two off those misses.
12-22-2022 11:43 PM
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Sendy needs to get these boys on the gun.
12-22-2022 11:43 PM
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Good teams play bad games but still win. I will take it.
12-22-2022 11:44 PM
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You all do realize how good Kent's defense was tonight, right? I mean, the offense was a grind, but the defense forced the most TOs that UTEP had given up in 3 years.
12-22-2022 11:53 PM
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(12-22-2022 11:44 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  Good teams play bad games but still win. I will take it.

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12-23-2022 08:20 AM
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UTEP isn't a lousy team, especially at home. Ugly wins still count as a win, and every team has ugly wins. But as for the defensive boards, I gave my two cents on that in another post yesterday. That definitely has to be an area to be addressed by the coaching staff. It has the potential to be this team's Achilles heel.
12-23-2022 08:45 AM
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(12-23-2022 08:45 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  UTEP isn't a lousy team, especially at home. Ugly wins still count as a win, and every team has ugly wins. But as for the defensive boards, I gave my two cents on that in another post yesterday. That definitely has to be an area to be addressed by the coaching staff. It has the potential to be this team's Achilles heel.

Yeah bad defensive rebounding negates good defense. Defense is what makes us special so not securing the rebounds costs us our edge. It doesn't matter how good you defend if you can't end the possession. Very glad we pulled it out but that's a trend we need to fix.
12-23-2022 09:35 AM
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"Ugly win" waay better than ugly loss!! FYI latest NET rankings have Flashes #25.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! I don't post much but enjoy the comments/discussions and insights....

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12-23-2022 11:06 AM
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(12-23-2022 09:35 AM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(12-23-2022 08:45 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  UTEP isn't a lousy team, especially at home. Ugly wins still count as a win, and every team has ugly wins. But as for the defensive boards, I gave my two cents on that in another post yesterday. That definitely has to be an area to be addressed by the coaching staff. It has the potential to be this team's Achilles heel.

Yeah bad defensive rebounding negates good defense. Defense is what makes us special so not securing the rebounds costs us our edge. It doesn't matter how good you defend if you can't end the possession. Very glad we pulled it out but that's a trend we need to fix.

We talked about this some yesterday. I never coached above 9th grade, but I could fix this overnight. BUT, the net result would make things WORSE. The key is to improve defensive rebounding without negatively affecting the rest of the half-court defense. If you look at the season defensive statistics, they are really, really good, all except the defensive rebounding.
12-23-2022 11:35 AM
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I still stand by what I said a couple of weeks ago that especially now with their rank of 25th in the NCAA NET rankings that it's a shame that not one voter in the two major polls has given KSU a vote for 25th. But I realize with the emphasis being almost exclusively on the "majors" (and that "mid-major" (!) Gonzaga) it is not likely to happen.

I know it is way, way, way too early to discuss such things, but with no game to talk about until WMU, here goes: I think that the team has set themselves up to have a chance to be the first MAC at-large bid in 24 years. Of course, it would require finishing first in the regular season (not a sure thing) and going deep into the MAC tournament, maybe to the championship game itself. My point is that the MAC is well-established as a one-bid league and by the end of December typically nobody has a chance. But for the first time in almost a quarter century it's at least not impossible.
12-26-2022 09:40 AM
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(12-26-2022 09:40 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I still stand by what I said a couple of weeks ago that especially now with their rank of 25th in the NCAA NET rankings that it's a shame that not one voter in the two major polls has given KSU a vote for 25th. But I realize with the emphasis being almost exclusively on the "majors" (and that "mid-major" (!) Gonzaga) it is not likely to happen.

I know it is way, way, way too early to discuss such things, but with no game to talk about until WMU, here goes: I think that the team has set themselves up to have a chance to be the first MAC at-large bid in 24 years. Of course, it would require finishing first in the regular season (not a sure thing) and going deep into the MAC tournament, maybe to the championship game itself. My point is that the MAC is well-established as a one-bid league and by the end of December typically nobody has a chance. But for the first time in almost a quarter century it's at least not impossible.

I'd rather be like Buffalo a couple years ago. Solid at large resume that's not needed.
12-26-2022 10:15 AM
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I want to agree with you, Muskrat. On one hand, we have seen this movie with several MAC teams in the last decade or more. It always seems to end with an either a tournament championship (which would be fine by me) or a snub. On the other hand, the landscape of NCAA hoops has changed so much that maybe the power$ that be are ready to pass on 18-10 Minnesota for a 27-6 MAC team.

The biggest obstacle, of course, is getting to 27-6. The MAC may not be strong this year, but we all know the grind of conference play can make for some awful losses and some bad stretches. Is this Kent team good enough to avoid those? Not sure. But if Kent has 18 wins by February 1st….

Go Flashes!
12-26-2022 10:37 AM
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Certainly a lot to be excited about. 10-3, highest ranked MAC team on all the ranking systems. According to KenPom we've played the 3rd hardest NC schedule in the MAC and a top 100 schedule nationally. The one thing we have to keep in mind is the MAC knows Sendy very well. While we've never been this good coming into MAC play under him, we have had many years where we look good in NC play then tail off to mediocrity in MAC play. Take the UTEP game for example. We win by 1. Do we win if Sendy doesn't draw up a great inbounds play to steal two points at the end of the first half? Does that play work in conference play against coaches that know him well? Maybe maybe not. Hopefully this team is good enough to avoid getting bogged down in conference play.

Also, having Christian around could help add a bit if a wrinkle to what we do.

One thing we really need to figure out is how to get Carry's efficiency back up. Under 30% from three. Well under 40% from the floor. I don't think we reach out potential without him getting back to how he was scoring last year.
12-26-2022 11:06 AM
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While I love this team and let’s hope a MAC tourney title will make it moot but I don’t see us getting an at large. What’s the signature win? We don’t have one. Getting Charleston, Houston or Gonzaga would have changed the narrative. Let’s face it the big boys will do anything to take care of their own.
12-27-2022 07:44 AM
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(12-27-2022 07:44 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  While I love this team and let’s hope a MAC tourney title will make it moot but I don’t see us getting an at large. What’s the signature win? We don’t have one. Getting Charleston, Houston or Gonzaga would have changed the narrative. Let’s face it the big boys will do anything to take care of their own.

Oh, I don't see it either. I'm just saying that at this point it's not impossible, only highly improbable. In 1999 Miami had an RPI of 21 and a w-l record of 22-7. Kent State was 23 and 21-6. There is no way of knowing whether KSU would really have received an at-large bid had they lost to Miami in the MAC championship game. During the season Miami beat Notre dame, Tennesse, Dayton and BU. Kent State beat St. Bonaventure. This season it doesn't look like any MAC teams can match any of that.
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If we don't win MAC, 6 losses is the most we can have to have a chance. 5 losses total means 1 in MAC conference play and 1 in MAC tournament and that will be enough (as long as it's in the championship game). You don't leave out a team that played the OOC schedule we did and finishes 28-5 (or similar).
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(12-27-2022 02:49 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  If we don't win MAC, 6 losses is the most we can have to have a chance. 5 losses total means 1 in MAC conference play and 1 in MAC tournament and that will be enough (as long as it's in the championship game). You don't leave out a team that played the OOC schedule we did and finishes 28-5 (or similar).

Agree. That's the scenario I'm talking about that would give them a shot.
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RE: Kent State vs. UTEP
Best MAC team of the modern tourney era (not counting NCAA tourney play) is 2018-19 Buffalo. They went 28-3 in the regular season with 1 win over a NCAA tourney type team (a Syracuse squad that somehow got in with 10 double digit losses and promptly was eliminated). 1 loss to another NCAA tourney team, several good but not great non-conf wins and a 16-2 MAC record with two losses by 6 total points and only a few close conf wins. In other words a pretty dominant team that got a 6 seed as the MAC regular season and tourney champ (probably a 7 or 8 seed if they lost the title game and ended 27-4).

The Flashes have proven they can play with top 4 seed type teams, but also have to keep it going through MAC play with few losses, not easy. Perhaps, the best comparison (dated for some) is the 1997-98 Illinois-Chicago at large team (now UIC) that got in at 22-5 after tying for first in the old MCC w Detroit and Butler. They were one of the more controversial at large pics of the era. Lost close games to Illinois (NCCA team) and Marquette (NIT) and beat MSU (NCAA) and beat Valley champ Illinois St twice. They split conf home and homes with Detroit (at large) and Butler (auto bid)-yes 3 MCC teams danced- and lost their quarterfinal conf tourney game by a point to 8th place wright st. They got a 9 seed in the NCAA tourney with the reasoning that 4 of their 5 losses were close ones on the road to good teams and only had 1 bad loss (at the buzzer). But they had a few strong wins that Kent probably will not have this year unless Toledo, Akron or Ball St have a great conf season but log a loss to KSU.

If the NET can somehow stay under 30, probably means 16-2 or 17-1 with loss(es) to decent MAC teams, then there's a good chance, but even a single loss to a bottom half of the MAC team will probably plummet that ranking. The committee has shown some interest in pairing mid majors and P6 in the first 4 games, stay healthy and win and we'll see.
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